Huckabee lies about gay marriage and Christian persecution

[EVT1]

I hate to link a biased site- but this is real.

www.rightwingwatch.org/content/mike-huckabee-defends-ex-gay-therapy-warns-gay-rights-will-outlaw-christianity-god-help-us-a

     Christian convictions are under attack as never before,” Huckabee said in the call, which was meant to rally pastors to participate in the FRC’s upcoming “Stand for Marriage” event. “Not just in our lifetime, but ever before in the history of this great nation. We are moving rapidly towards the criminalization of Christianity.”''

     Huckabee claimed that if same-sex marriage bans are struck down nationwide, any pastor who refuses to conduct a same-sex wedding would be breaking the law.

Obvious lie but go on:

     “If the courts rule that people have a civil right not only to be a homosexual but a civil right to have a homosexual marriage, then a homosexual couple coming to a pastor who believes in biblical marriage who says ‘I can’t perform that wedding’ will now be breaking the law,” he said. “It’s not just saying, ‘I’m sorry you have a preference.’ No, you will be breaking the law subject to civil for sure and possible criminal penalties for violating the law…. If you do practice biblical convictions and you carry them out and you do what you’ve been led by the spirit of God to do, your behavior will be criminal.”

Methinks Huckabee needs to reread the Bible- and pay attention this time.

[mmhmm]

EVT1, check your PMs, please.

[Tennesseer]

Huckabee is playing to the fears of his sheeple.  Another one with not a chance in heaven or hell of becoming president.

There is now an amicus brief to SCOTUS opining legalizing gay marriage across the country will cause 900,000 abortions a year:

The new argument against gay equality: Same-sex marriage kills

[tallguy]

“On the surface, abortion and same-sex marriage may seem unrelated,” Schaerr acknowledged in a post on the Heritage Foundation Web site in advance of a presentation he made to the conservative think tank Monday. But “the two are closely linked in a short and simple causal chain.”


To wit: Legalizing same-sex marriage devalues marriage and causes fewer heterosexual couples to marry, which leads to a larger number of unmarried women, who have abortions at higher rates than married women. As a result, Schaerr wrote, “nearly 900,000 more children of the next generation would be aborted as a result of their mothers never marrying. This is equal to the entire population of the cities of Sacramento and Atlanta combined.”

Would that be a typical right-wing response?  To not even think about the idea of those extra women possibly MARRIED to other women instead of having abortions?  

The only thing he is right about is the beginning.  Abortion and same-sex marriage are unrelated.  Same-sex couples are not HAVING abortions!  It doesn't matter AT ALL if they can legally marry!  

[dondub]

Considering that Huckabee is going to be a Repo candidate, this is just politicking to that base. So why isn't this still on the politics board?

[mmhmm]

Apr 24, 2015 0:22:26 GMT -5 dondub said:

Considering that Huckabee is going to be a Repo candidate, this is just politicking to that base. So why isn't this still on the politics board?

Because I asked EVT1 to edit the OP and he logged off. He'll need to remove the reference to Mr. Huckabee needing to reread the Bible, which gives this thread a decidedly religious slant, dondub. If he does  that and the thread remains political rather than emphasizing religion and the Bible, I'll return it to the Politics forum. Our rules preclude the discussion of religion in the Politics forum.

[resolution]

I was expecting the link to say that gay couples were using IVF and that the excess zygotes were being destroyed, not that more hetero couples would decide not to marry.

[TheHaitian]

Apr 24, 2015 6:01:34 GMT -5 resolution said:

I was expecting the link to say that gay couples were using IVF and that the excess zygotes were being destroyed, not that more hetero couples would decide not to marry.

I never understood how gay/lesbian getting married would force Hetero couples not to get married....

Unless (and that is what they refuse to admit) the so called Hetero couples not
Getting married were gay/lesbian to begin with and living in the closet.

My friend being gay has nothing to do with me marrying my wife; unless I was a closeted gay and the new atmosphere makes it ok and I leave my wife for my friend or never got together with my wife to begin with.

But yeah if you a straight, you don't care what the gay/lesbian are doing, it ain't rocking/affecting your life.

[Shooby]

EVT - Which Bible should he read? And, what verses?

[Phoenix84]

I don't think he's entirely off point. I think the battle over requiring churches to do same sex marriages is in the horizon.

It'll be interesting to see how many of this board will defend the idea of requiring churches to do same sex weddings while proclaiming separation of church and state.

[Shooby]

It's like anything. They will say nobody will be forced or compelled. Then suddenly you are forced or compelled or shut down.

[Opti]

Apr 24, 2015 6:56:17 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I don't think he's entirely off point. I think the battle over requiring churches to do same sex marriages is in the horizon.

It'll be interesting to see how many of this board will defend the idea of requiring churches to do same sex weddings while proclaiming separation of church and state.

He's totally off point. Those in fear of homosexuality being seen as normal or another choice

are choosing to see it as impacting churches. It can not because of separation of church and state.

Do you remember the two recent cases of churches being allowed to not marry an interracial

couple? Two churches, two different states, *no* government intervention. Churches can refuse

to have members that are gay, of a certain race, income, etc. This is allowed.

I think government should do nothing about same sex or any marriages done in a church.

I as an individual are free to campaign that my denomination accepts or does not accept gay

marriage in a church. I think you are going to be very disappointed if you hope to find a liberal

or left leaning poster advocating intervention in church marriage policies. JMO. YMMV. Fear does

not dissolve in water but sometimes reason.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 24, 2015 6:56:17 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I don't think he's entirely off point. I think the battle over requiring churches to do same sex marriages is in the horizon.

It'll be interesting to see how many of this board will defend the idea of requiring churches to do same sex weddings while proclaiming separation of church and state.

Heterosexual couples cannot force a church to marry them. Why do you think it will be different for homosexual couples?

[Opti]

"Heterosexual couples cannot force a church to marry them. Why do you think it will be different for homosexual couples? "

F E A R

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[Tennesseer]

Boo!

[Shooby]

If you can force someone to bake a cake, then duh.

[Value Buy]

Apr 24, 2015 7:49:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

Apr 24, 2015 6:56:17 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I don't think he's entirely off point. I think the battle over requiring churches to do same sex marriages is in the horizon.

It'll be interesting to see how many of this board will defend the idea of requiring churches to do same sex weddings while proclaiming separation of church and state.

He's totally off point. Those in fear of homosexuality being seen as normal or another choice

are choosing to see it as impacting churches. It can not because of separation of church and state.

I accidently hot the like button on your quote instead of the quote button......

Let's talk about fear of homosexuality being seen as "normal".
Yes, it is" normal" in a small percent of all of God's creatures. And it probably occurs in some heterosexuals who experiment, and others for sure, who are bi-sexual, who are "normal" in their view, but still an abberration of the norm. 
This does not make it normal. I makes it an "exception" to the norm.
It is still an abberration in nature's true meaning of life on Earth.
Procreation is what drives all creatures and plants.
There is not a fear of homosexuality in the Christian  world. It is not the norm in God's world or mother nature, outside of earthworms, and maybe something else I am not aware of.
The problem of talking about this issue on this board is it is overwhelmingly populated by both sexes who disavow God as an actual spirit, so therefore impossible to discuss.
I do not know why Virgil even tries to talk about it.

[Opti]

Apr 24, 2015 8:06:47 GMT -5 Shooby said:

If you can force someone to bake a cake, then duh.

There's of course that pesky fact(s) that

1) the person did not bake the cake and chose a different business model instead

2) A public business must follow different rules than a church or private business

Double duh.

[Shooby]

Becsuse you are all for "tolerance"and diversity of opinion as long as everyone thinks exactly like you.

[billisonboard]

Apr 24, 2015 8:11:52 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I'm afraid that if I even look at or talk to a homosexual that I may turn gay too.  That's what they do you know.

...

They just want the toaster:


Fixed hopefully

[Opti]

Apr 24, 2015 8:09:45 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 24, 2015 7:49:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

He's totally off point. Those in fear of homosexuality being seen as normal or another choice

are choosing to see it as impacting churches. It can not because of separation of church and state.

I accidently hot the like button on your quote instead of the quote button......

Let's talk about fear of homosexuality being seen as "normal".
Yes, it is" normal" in a small percent of all of God's creatures. And it probably occurs in some heterosexuals who experiment, and others for sure, who are bi-sexual, who are "normal" in their view, but still an abberration of the norm. 
This does not make it normal. I makes it an "exception" to the norm.
It is still an abberration in nature's true meaning of life on Earth.
Procreation is what drives all creatures and plants.
There is not a fear of homosexuality in the Christian  world. It is not the norm in God's world or mother nature, outside of earthworms, and maybe something else I am not aware of.
The problem of talking about this issue on this board is it is overwhelmingly populated by both sexes who disavow God as an actual spirit, so therefore impossible to discuss.
I do not know why Virgil even tries to talk about it.

VB, I think part of it is just because someone believes in God does not mean they believe in

a literal bible version or even have Christian beliefs. The bible can be looked at metaphysically,

metaphorically, a product of its times and authors, and literally to just name four possible ways

to look at it.

I believe in God, but my views of what God is and wants are much different than how Virgil sees

God. Homosexuality occurs on a regular basis in most known mammals for reasons we do not

fully understand. Homosexuals do not need to reproduce themselves because ongoing births

add to that population anyway.

There is a vast difference between normal and majority in my opinion. Yes the majority will be created

as heterosexuals. A minority will be homosexual. It is based on one's beliefs whether you feel both

are created by nature and God, or only the heterosexuals are. For example, diabetics don't have to get

married and reproduce to have more diabetics in the population. In that case, they tend to be created

by genetics or diet, but it is something that has been part of human nature for awhile. While diabetes

is not the preferred mode of a body functioning, it is not necessarily abnormal in today's world because

of its prevalence.

[tallguy]

Apr 24, 2015 8:15:15 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Becsuse you are all for "tolerance"and diversity of opinion as long as everyone thinks exactly like you.

You're talking about conservatives there, right?  Because liberals are actually wanting everyone to have the right NOT to think like you.  It is conservatives who wish to limit thought and options.  In fact, they do not even pay lip service to the idea of tolerance and diversity of opinion.  They flat-out say that others do not have the right to be different.

[swamp]

Apr 24, 2015 6:56:17 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I don't think he's entirely off point. I think the battle over requiring churches to do same sex marriages is in the horizon.

It'll be interesting to see how many of this board will defend the idea of requiring churches to do same sex weddings while proclaiming separation of church and state.

As of right now, the Catholic Church is not being forced to marry non Catholics, and the Mormons still aren't forced to allow non Mormons in the temple. I know a judge who refuses to do marriages because she thinks people should get married in church. Nobody has ever forced her to perform a marriage.

[EVT1]

Apr 24, 2015 6:26:04 GMT -5 Shooby said:

EVT - Which Bible should he read? And, what verses?

Those parts about bearing false witness.

[ArchietheDragon]

Apr 24, 2015 9:51:46 GMT -5 swamp said:

Apr 24, 2015 6:56:17 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I don't think he's entirely off point. I think the battle over requiring churches to do same sex marriages is in the horizon.

It'll be interesting to see how many of this board will defend the idea of requiring churches to do same sex weddings while proclaiming separation of church and state.

As of right now, the Catholic Church is not being forced to marry non Catholics, and the Mormons still aren't forced to allow non Mormons in the temple. I know a judge who refuses to do marriages because she thinks people should get married in church. Nobody has ever forced her to perform a marriage.

My MIL and FIL wanted to renew their vows in a catholic church.  My MIL has always been upset by the fact that they couldn't originally get married in a catholic church because my FIL was divorced.  They jumped through so many hoops, went to catholic classes and training, donated money, met with catholic officials from all over the place and tried for about 2 years to make get them to approve renewing their vows.   They never were able to.    Why my MIL and FIL continue to be a part of that church and religion is beyond me.  

[Angel!]

Apr 24, 2015 8:09:45 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 24, 2015 7:49:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

He's totally off point. Those in fear of homosexuality being seen as normal or another choice

are choosing to see it as impacting churches. It can not because of separation of church and state.

I accidently hot the like button on your quote instead of the quote button......

Let's talk about fear of homosexuality being seen as "normal".
Yes, it is" normal" in a small percent of all of God's creatures. And it probably occurs in some heterosexuals who experiment, and others for sure, who are bi-sexual, who are "normal" in their view, but still an abberration of the norm. 
This does not make it normal. I makes it an "exception" to the norm.
It is still an abberration in nature's true meaning of life on Earth.

This is exactly why I don't like gingers. Although a small percent of people are ginger, it doesn't make it normal. It is an abberration and just not natural.

[Angel!]

Apr 24, 2015 6:56:17 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I don't think he's entirely off point. I think the battle over requiring churches to do same sex marriages is in the horizon.

It'll be interesting to see how many of this board will defend the idea of requiring churches to do same sex weddings while proclaiming separation of church and state.

I could care less if they don't do same sex marriages. I couldn't get married in a synagogue, Catholic church, or Mormon temple. That is the difference between a church and public business.

[swamp]

Apr 24, 2015 11:28:44 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Apr 24, 2015 8:09:45 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I accidently hot the like button on your quote instead of the quote button......

Let's talk about fear of homosexuality being seen as "normal".
Yes, it is" normal" in a small percent of all of God's creatures. And it probably occurs in some heterosexuals who experiment, and others for sure, who are bi-sexual, who are "normal" in their view, but still an abberration of the norm. 
This does not make it normal. I makes it an "exception" to the norm.
It is still an abberration in nature's true meaning of life on Earth.

This is exactly why I don't like gingers. Although a small percent of people are ginger, it doesn't make it normal. It is an abberration and just not natural.

But gingers have no soul, so it's OK not to like them.

[Shooby]

Apr 24, 2015 10:58:05 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Apr 24, 2015 6:26:04 GMT -5 Shooby said:

EVT - Which Bible should he read? And, what verses?

Those parts about bearing false witness.

So, you get to decide if he is "Christian" enough or what?

[Shooby]

Apr 24, 2015 9:31:02 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Apr 24, 2015 8:15:15 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Becsuse you are all for "tolerance"and diversity of opinion as long as everyone thinks exactly like you.

You're talking about conservatives there, right?  Because liberals are actually wanting everyone to have the right NOT to think like you.  It is conservatives who wish to limit thought and options.  In fact, they do not even pay lip service to the idea of tolerance and diversity of opinion.  They flat-out say that others do not have the right to be different.

LOL!  Liberals want everyone to think exactly like them!  ANd, if not, they will use the iron fist of govt to enforce whatever their views are.  You don't want govt in the bedroom, but oh yeah, you actually do.