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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 18, 2015 8:59:52 GMT -5
N.J. man goes out of business over 'White History Month'You could say he dug his own grave with his mouth, and now he wants help getting out from under. Jim Boggess, whose "White History Month" sign at his New Jersey deli ignited a firestorm, has posted a new placard. This one says: "Forced Out of Business." And he's also posted a GoFundMe page pleading for money from strangers. On the crowd-sourcing site, Boggess writes, "On march 1st, I hung a sign in my deli window saying, 'Celebrate your white heritage in March, White History Month' ... Then the bottom dropped out and customers were no longer coming into my deli." Saying he was forced to close his dying business, Boggess bemoans his fate and says he lost "my American dream." After five days, Boggess had accumulated $245 and a barrage of blistering comments on his "Jimbos white history sign gone bad" site. Shannelle Robinson, who is African-American, donated $5. "I hope it helps you to enlighten yourself on the very people you feel you need to compete with for no other reason than you're a spoiled entitled brat," she wrote. Reg Lane posted, "Begging for money should be beneath a grown man, but if you rap "Baby (G)ot Back and post it I'll give you 3 dollars and 15 cent." Boggess expressed bewilderment at the reaction to his sign. "I don't think I deserve this because I wanted to be proud of being white and be able to celebrate my heritage like everyone else does," he wrote. N.J. man goes out of business over 'White History Month'
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 18, 2015 9:09:58 GMT -5
Ok, why should there not be a "White History month"?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 18, 2015 9:18:15 GMT -5
Ok, why should there not be a "White History month"? Because some whites would then bitch about white history being cut from eleven months to one.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 18, 2015 9:18:50 GMT -5
Ok, why should there not be a "White History month"? Maybe you should ask the deli's former customers that question. They seem to have disagreed with his stand.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 18, 2015 9:21:49 GMT -5
Ok, Bills, I know you can give a better answer than that.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 18, 2015 9:25:30 GMT -5
Ok, Bills, I know you can give a better answer than that. Nope. I could use more/different words which would convey the same idea, but why.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 18, 2015 9:28:20 GMT -5
Ok, why should there not be a "White History month"? Maybe you should ask the deli's former customers that question. They seem to have disagreed with his stand. If it were even possible to discriminate against a white business, what would this be then? Let's switch sides, What if this was a black business promoting "Black History Month". They received the same comments. What would that be called. just wondering?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 18, 2015 9:32:42 GMT -5
Maybe you should ask the deli's former customers that question. They seem to have disagreed with his stand. If it were even possible to discriminate against a white business, what would this be then? Let's switch sides, What if this was a black business promoting "Black History Month". They received the same comments. What would that be called. just wondering? You still don't understand what discrimination is, do you. How did this deli's customers discriminate against the owner?
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 18, 2015 10:07:58 GMT -5
"Jimbos white history sign gone bad"
1. This man in an idiot.
2. I did not realize that we had an "Official" White History Year. Bills.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 18, 2015 10:13:32 GMT -5
"Jimbos white history sign gone bad"1. This man in an idiot. 2. I did not realize that we had an "Official" White History Year. Bills. No need to make something "Offical" if one is dominate.
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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 18, 2015 10:29:31 GMT -5
Ok, why should there not be a "White History month"? That is a good question; let's debate it. What part of your heritage do you feel is not celebrated? Or has your heritage not been given enough credit for their "success"? In any part of history, was your "white heritage" represented as less then, property to be owned? Do you have problem coming up with role models/ success stories within your "white heritage"? Do your kids go to school thinking "why bother, no other white person has ever accomplished this?" You are envying a a group within your society that not too long ago never had a president that they could slightly identify with. A group within your society that is reminded on a regular basis that they are still judged by the color of their skin. A group within your society that when segregation was abolished risked their lives to go to school with the descendants of your white heritage. A group within your society that is reminded that they can be shot / killed for walking in the wrong neighborhood, wearing a hoodie or God forbid walking back home from the bodega. I am sorry that taking one month a year to celebrate our success/ accomplishments , honor our history, give or children a sense of belonging/ purpose, that while we are not there yet remember that we have come a long way. It is weird, I have never heard of "white" people complaining about Jewish still talking about the Holocaust. Is it because they are just "white" enough for you to understand their pain and suffering, but I am too black for you to sympathize? Instead of recognizing that yes injustice has been done to my race, my ancestors it is easier to downplay it and ridicule it. So let's debate and afford your heritage the courtesy to be celebrated one month a year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 10:34:24 GMT -5
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Post by mroped on Apr 18, 2015 10:56:35 GMT -5
I honestly wondered a few times about it myself oldcoyote: when is white history month? And no The Haitian, that shpeel doesn't hold water anymore with role models and property and racial discrimination and so on. It is about high time that we either get rid of things like "black history month" and " Cinco de Mayo" and the likes or designate a "white history month".
When teaching history, nobody is excluding blacks or Hispanics from the books. How many white Americans or hispanics are mentioned in speeches and whatnots during black history month?
Is there still discrimination? Sure but that won't stop like ever. That doesn't mean that we have to emphasize one in the detriment of the other because I believe that is the simplest definition of discrimination.
it is about time that whites, blacks, Hispanics, etc forget about all these " preferential" months and get on with their life's.
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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 18, 2015 11:02:31 GMT -5
But in all fairness wouldn't this too come under tolerance?
Just askin'
How were we un-tolerant? Did we request his business closed down? Did we march against him being in business? Did we put a burning cross in front of his building? Did we advertise that no blacks frequent his business? How were we not tolerant? He did this March 1... Today is April 18. So in 1.5 months (give or take) he lost his business? Or was the business already on his last leg and he tried some "questionable" advertisement to drum up business and it did not pay off and not blaming it on "intolerance" with his last ditch effort at money grab. He probably read about the pizza store getting close to a million dollar for not serving gays and thought "hey, maybe I can do that with black". So I respectfully disagree, nowhere in that story was anyone not tolerant.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Apr 18, 2015 11:06:01 GMT -5
Why does there have to be a History Month for any race?
What about the Chinese who were brought over & used to build railroads across the country? Why not a Chinese History Month?
Or better yet, an "American History Month"?
After all, except for the direct descendants of the original Native American tribes, everyone else is a descendant of an immigrant from another country.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 18, 2015 11:09:09 GMT -5
Ok, why should there not be a "White History month"? Seriously?
Because EVERY month is White History Month. Do you not understand the concept of minority and majority?
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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 18, 2015 11:09:23 GMT -5
That doesn't mean that we have to emphasize one in the detriment of the other because I believe that is the simplest definition of discrimination. Point to me How we discriminate against "white"? When have you been refused service for being white? When were you followed around a sore for being "white"? When did the cops "racial provide" you? When did we discriminate against the "white"? Because we don't mention you in a speech that honors "BLACK history month"? Last I check: still a majority in this country, still a majority in all boardrooms, senate, congress, all major positions/leaderships positions around this country. So how do we discriminate against the White heritage? Yes forget about, tell me: will you tell your kids to forget about "Boston Tea Party?", stop celebrating "July 4th", Because asking us to not celebrate our history is the same, so the just get over it attitude doesn't cut it. Will you also close the "Holocaust" museums and tell them to just get over it and move on with their lives?
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Post by NoNamePerson on Apr 18, 2015 11:11:56 GMT -5
N.J. man goes out of business over 'White History Month'You could say he dug his own grave with his mouth, and now he wants help getting out from under. Jim Boggess, whose "White History Month" sign at his New Jersey deli ignited a firestorm, has posted a new placard. This one says: "Forced Out of Business." And he's also posted a GoFundMe page pleading for money from strangers.
On the crowd-sourcing site, Boggess writes, "On march 1st, I hung a sign in my deli window saying, 'Celebrate your white heritage in March, White History Month' ... Then the bottom dropped out and customers were no longer coming into my deli." Saying he was forced to close his dying business, Boggess bemoans his fate and says he lost "my American dream." After five days, Boggess had accumulated $245 and a barrage of blistering comments on his "Jimbos white history sign gone bad" site. Shannelle Robinson, who is African-American, donated $5. "I hope it helps you to enlighten yourself on the very people you feel you need to compete with for no other reason than you're a spoiled entitled brat," she wrote. Reg Lane posted, "Begging for money should be beneath a grown man, but if you rap "Baby (G)ot Back and post it I'll give you 3 dollars and 15 cent." Boggess expressed bewilderment at the reaction to his sign. "I don't think I deserve this because I wanted to be proud of being white and be able to celebrate my heritage like everyone else does," he wrote. N.J. man goes out of business over 'White History Month' That says it all. He thought he would get $450,000 dollars donated - dudh!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 11:15:17 GMT -5
I honestly wondered a few times about it myself oldcoyote: when is white history month? And no The Haitian, that shpeel doesn't hold water anymore with role models and property and racial discrimination and so on. It is about high time that we either get rid of things like "black history month" and " Cinco de Mayo" and the likes or designate a "white history month". When teaching history, nobody is excluding blacks or Hispanics from the books. How many white Americans or hispanics are mentioned in speeches and whatnots during black history month? Is there still discrimination? Sure but that won't stop like ever. That doesn't mean that we have to emphasize one in the detriment of the other because I believe that is the simplest definition of discrimination. it is about time that whites, blacks, Hispanics, etc forget about all these " preferential" months and get on with their life's. I've never considered Black History Month as a "preferential" month. I've always thought it was just a month where people were encouraged to explore the history, accomplishments and contributions of black people in this society. Maybe there's more to it than I'm aware of.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 18, 2015 11:16:27 GMT -5
N.J. man goes out of business over 'White History Month'You could say he dug his own grave with his mouth, and now he wants help getting out from under. Jim Boggess, whose "White History Month" sign at his New Jersey deli ignited a firestorm, has posted a new placard. This one says: "Forced Out of Business." And he's also posted a GoFundMe page pleading for money from strangers.
On the crowd-sourcing site, Boggess writes, "On march 1st, I hung a sign in my deli window saying, 'Celebrate your white heritage in March, White History Month' ... Then the bottom dropped out and customers were no longer coming into my deli." Saying he was forced to close his dying business, Boggess bemoans his fate and says he lost "my American dream." After five days, Boggess had accumulated $245 and a barrage of blistering comments on his "Jimbos white history sign gone bad" site. Shannelle Robinson, who is African-American, donated $5. "I hope it helps you to enlighten yourself on the very people you feel you need to compete with for no other reason than you're a spoiled entitled brat," she wrote. Reg Lane posted, "Begging for money should be beneath a grown man, but if you rap "Baby (G)ot Back and post it I'll give you 3 dollars and 15 cent." Boggess expressed bewilderment at the reaction to his sign. "I don't think I deserve this because I wanted to be proud of being white and be able to celebrate my heritage like everyone else does," he wrote. N.J. man goes out of business over 'White History Month' That says it all. He thought he would get $450,000 dollars donated - dudh!! Just like the mechanic who said he'd refuse to serve gays and immediately set up a GoFundMe page. It was taken down. Such a good Christian! Said if he had to, he'd "fix" gays' cars with rusted or ineffective parts, sending them to their potential deaths.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 18, 2015 11:19:45 GMT -5
If you cannot trust Glenn Beck's The Blaze for the news, who can you trust: "In a plea for donations on GoFundMe, Boggess said he initially received support for his white history month sign, but things took a turn. “[T]he bottom dropped out and customers were no longer coming into my deli, and now I am forced to close down my Deli and lose my American dream,” he wrote. “I have become heavily in debt and getting shut off notices from everywhere for both business and home. I don’t think I deserve this just because I wanted to be proud of being white and be able to celebrate my heritage like everyone else does.” Critics immediately pounced, questioning whether the sign was really to blame, prompting Boggess to post an update. “Yes, you guys are right, the store wasn’t doing good before the sign was posted,” he wrote. “But it was doing good enough to keep the store open.”He said after the sign was posted, business dried up." New Jersey Deli Posts ‘White History Month’ Sign. A Month Later, Here’s How It’s Doing.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 18, 2015 11:20:27 GMT -5
I honestly wondered a few times about it myself oldcoyote: when is white history month? And no The Haitian, that shpeel doesn't hold water anymore with role models and property and racial discrimination and so on. It is about high time that we either get rid of things like "black history month" and " Cinco de Mayo" and the likes or designate a "white history month". When teaching history, nobody is excluding blacks or Hispanics from the books.How many white Americans or hispanics are mentioned in speeches and whatnots during black history month? Is there still discrimination? Sure but that won't stop like ever. That doesn't mean that we have to emphasize one in the detriment of the other because I believe that is the simplest definition of discrimination. it is about time that whites, blacks, Hispanics, etc forget about all these " preferential" months and get on with their life's. In many cases, American history books exclude the accomplishments of Black Americans. As you walk through the gallery and browse through our collection of photos, articles and biographies you will come to appreciate many of the untold stories, memories, achievements and contributions of the countless number of great Black Americans.
www.touretown.com/Visitors/See/Black-History-Gallery.aspx
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 11:24:18 GMT -5
I guess the moral of the story is that it's risky to advertise your personal ideas and opinions through your business.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 18, 2015 11:27:39 GMT -5
I guess the moral of the story is that it's risky to advertise your personal ideas and opinions through your business. An already failing business too.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 18, 2015 11:48:27 GMT -5
TheHaitanian thank you for posting this, Your comment was exactly what I wanted to see.
First, we don't need a black history month, we need a black history year the same as bills pointed out.
I realize how badly your previous generations were treated, How are you treated today? Is there some way to go back in time,repair the damage that was done?
Is there discrimination today, you bet there is on all sides if you want to call sides in the issue.
There is great amount of discrimination against black and brown by the law enforcement. You see me complain about their tactics all the time.
We cannot change what happened 50, 100, or 150 years ago.
I grew up in a very rural farm,there were several black and Mexican family's living there. Some were my good friends, they were just one of us.
It was not until I moved to the big city that I found that they were treated different than us in different parts of the country.
Yes the white complain about the jews, just as jews complain about the what ever, just as every one complains about some one different than them.
Do we need a white history month? No, that was just used to start this discussion, thank you for posting.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 18, 2015 11:50:34 GMT -5
Wow a lot has happened over the time it took for my reply. Dang I type to slow.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 18, 2015 11:54:52 GMT -5
When have you been refused service for being white?
Actually yes, on the Navajo Nation at a Mcdonalds.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 18, 2015 12:02:22 GMT -5
Black History Month can also be a platform to teach kids that they don't have to strive to emulate two-bit rappers. They can strive to be more like Neil deGrasse Tyson or Mae Jemison. You have a problem with that?
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Post by mroped on Apr 18, 2015 12:28:25 GMT -5
True, I was never Personaly refused service. But what does that mean exactly? As I and others pointed out there is still discrimination and will always be because people fear what they cannot understand or because they are too narrow minded. I know that the "Black History Month" is nothing but encouragement to look deeper into the issues that blacks as a race went through but as oldcoyote pointed out that is in the past and there is nothing we can do about the past. What we can do is look at today and the future and educate ourselves and those around us about being fair and square and treat all equally no mater the color of their skin, creed or heritage. All are the same. When is that going to hapen? Probably never but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. I grew up in a place where discrimination based on any thing was inexistent. Hard as it may be to believe it just simply didn't exist so I never understood why people discriminate against each other based on things like the color of skin or religious beliefs. You want a "Black History Month"? Fine, have two of them but for the love of God please stop Al Shapton and Jesse Jackson and the likes of and their stupid speeches. They do nothing but try to score political points by playing on the past. Love Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks and Nelson Mandela for their courage and accomplishments but playing over and over the fact that there was slavery and discrimination and so many other things makes me feel pity for the blacks as a race and I do not want that! They do have the same potential, the same opportunities so why play that card anymore? And the reference to the"Holocaust Museum" is nothing like a whole month. THAT is a museum and you go there if you want or you just don't go. Is not like every time you turn your TV or computer on all you see "holocaust museum, - learn about it, read about it, etc" that' s what it gets me: the constant nagging and reminding for that month. That and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson's faces! I can't stand the two of them. and yeah, as a side question for those in the "know": who decided that the Jewish as a people are "the chosen people"? Just wondering!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 18, 2015 12:42:42 GMT -5
Black History Month can also be a platform to teach kids that they don't have to strive to emulate two-bit rappers. They can strive to be more like Neil deGrasse Tyson or Mae Jemison. You have a problem with that? Not that I have a problem with "Black History Month", but isn't it the point of racial integration to emphasize that we should emulate others for sake of their acts rather than their ethnicity? Is it wise to segregate black role models from non-black role models and explicitly devote one month to black role models? Wouldn't this help to cement in kids' minds the idea that they ought to emulate members of their own race and not members of other races? It's a sticky issue for the same reason that "Irish Sobriety Month" would be a tricky issue. Not because of what it teaches or implies, but because of what its absence during the rest of the year implies.
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