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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 11, 2015 15:33:05 GMT -5
Or so it seems or assumed. She will be announcing tomorrow.
Do you think she has a chance? Do you think it will do anything for the feminist movement / glass ceiling so to speak?
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 11, 2015 15:40:07 GMT -5
Id like to vote for a woman, just not her
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Apr 11, 2015 15:42:09 GMT -5
Or so it seems or assumed. She will be announcing tomorrow. Do you think she has a chance? Do you think it will do anything for the feminist movement / glass ceiling so to speak? I think Bill was so much better, (but a moral failure). Hillary is another experiment...a black president a female president? I am a life time democrat, but I will not vote for her...I will stay home. And it is certainly not because she is a women, she is not the right woman....IMO, of course.
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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 11, 2015 15:43:03 GMT -5
What do you both mean by not "the right woman"?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 11, 2015 15:54:31 GMT -5
Yes, she has a chance, but there seems to be an irrational hatred towards her that will be hard for the her to overcome. Half of it is just the old Dem/Rep animosity that no one wants to admit to. But still, an inexperienced black guy beat her the last time around. That says something. Maybe it's sexism, but disguised as, I'll vote for a woman, but only if she's perfect in every way.
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Post by sesfw on Apr 11, 2015 16:00:04 GMT -5
Hillary is running
To where?
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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 11, 2015 16:08:14 GMT -5
Yes, she has a chance, but there seems to be an irrational hatred towards her that will be hard for the her to overcome. Half of it is just the old Dem/Rep animosity that no one wants to admit to. But still, an inexperienced black guy beat her the last time around. That says something. Maybe it's sexism, but disguised as, I'll vote for a woman, but only if she's perfect in every way. I truly believe it is because she did not leave her husband after the sex scandal combined with women being harder on women then men: - she needs to be perfect - pretty but not too pretty - strong but not come off as a biatch - lady but still can hang with the boys It is crazy! I work in a men dominated field and we are working really hard on promoting women since 85% of them constitute our customer base. But women managers are way harder on other females and seriously hilarious at times. I hate to say it but I have never seen a combo of female store manager and female co-manager work out well while female store manager and male co-manager, male store manager and male co-manager, male store manager and female co-manager usually work out. Look at the mommy wars...
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Apr 11, 2015 16:34:48 GMT -5
What do you both mean by not "the right woman"? She has too much baggage and she is an operative (not in a good way)...there is no sense in her of destiny, no sense of a vision, no sense of a path forward,other than the tired speaking points. She will run and loose again. Yes, another Bush. But Jeb seems decent, I don't know.
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Post by cronewitch on Apr 11, 2015 17:12:58 GMT -5
We know too much about her and remember things from years ago like Whitewater and other scandals and don't want Bill as First Gentleman. Whitewater controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy Cached The Whitewater controversy (also known as the Whitewater scandal, or simply Whitewater) began with investigations into the real estate investments of Bill and Hillary ...
I rather vote for someone who I think might be ok than someone I know isn't and first spouse should be someone we don't worry about not a perv.
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Post by Tiny on Apr 11, 2015 18:26:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I personally like Hilary - but I think she's got the credentials for President. She's been in politics for years AND international too. I think she'd make a great president. I'd vote for her.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 18:53:45 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with having a woman as my President. I think a woman can be just as capable of running our country as a man. I do wonder how leaders of other countries where the culture is such that women have a "place" that doesn't include positions of power would deal with us having a female President. Even if we're ready to elect a woman, some parts of the world may not be ready to deal with it. Just an interesting (to me) thought I have.
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Post by souldoubt on Apr 11, 2015 19:09:44 GMT -5
Of course she has a chance - she's a life long politician and on the ballot she'd have an R or D next to her name. If the election were held in a month for the D nomination I think she'd have a great chance at getting the nod despite the recent reasons she's made the news. That said it's a long time between now and the election and we've seen favored candidates fall out of favor real quick just like we've seen lesser known candidates gain a lot of steam and seemingly come out of nowhere.
I too have no problem with a female president but quite frankly I would like to see us go in a direction that doesn't have another Clinton or Bush in the oval office. In the end though I don't really think it matters because whether it's a Clinton, Bush, another R or another D I expect much of the same. We'll continue to kick the can down the road while our elected officials point fingers and consider a deal where they "compromise" by attaching a ton of pet projects to it a success.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 11, 2015 19:21:15 GMT -5
Yes, she has a chance, but there seems to be an irrational hatred towards her that will be hard for the her to overcome. Half of it is just the old Dem/Rep animosity that no one wants to admit to. But still, an inexperienced black guy beat her the last time around. That says something. Maybe it's sexism, but disguised as, I'll vote for a woman, but only if she's perfect in every way. I truly believe it is because she did not leave her husband after the sex scandal. I don't blame her for not leaving Bill. Too many people have forgotten that folks get married/stay married for all sorts of reasons other than love. And the only ones that need to be concerned about the "whys" of a couple staying/remaining married is that couple.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 11, 2015 20:03:33 GMT -5
Hard to say if she has a chance, obviously it also depends on her opponent.
She didn't have a good run in 2008, so I guess I don't see why she'd have it easier now. She's been in the public spotlight so long there's a lot of "dirt" and "baggage" and other unflattering things about her history.
I think her age will also be an issue.
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Post by bobosensei on Apr 11, 2015 20:13:13 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with having a woman as my President. I think a woman can be just as capable of running our country as a man. I do wonder how leaders of other countries where the culture is such that women have a "place" that doesn't include positions of power would deal with us having a female President. Even if we're ready to elect a woman, some parts of the world may not be ready to deal with it. Just an interesting (to me) thought I have. Well, Angela Merkel does just fine.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Apr 12, 2015 2:19:47 GMT -5
Speaking as someone in another country, we saw a fair bit of Hillary when she was secretary of state and she was impressive.
.....but then we are used to our Head of State being a Queen....and Angela Merkel, who is probably the most powerful woman in the world.
The rest of the world would be fine with a female US president IMO.
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Post by quince on Apr 12, 2015 2:38:18 GMT -5
As far as the glass ceiling goes...
It will work just like Obama becoming president ended racism.
Everything else will be the same. It would be more a checkmark of an event that shows that progress has been made, but it will not advance any causes. It might make some people exhibit sexism more openly, a kind of backlash, and of course people will use it to argue against cases of sexism because since a woman could become president, we're "past that".
People are assholes, y'see.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Apr 12, 2015 3:05:34 GMT -5
Why should it advance any causes... apart from those which are in the interests of the US?
I have no stake in who you vote for....but pick the person you think who can best do the job....regardless of what sex they are.
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Post by marvholly on Apr 12, 2015 6:09:24 GMT -5
Is anyone REALLY surprised at this announcement? Actually, I had really hoped she would decide to be a FT grandma. Don't see the need for another Clinton.......or another Bush either.
However, I would like to see a female president. Son't think she would/could do any worse than the men we have had the last 25 years or so.
I DO think a part of the reason we have a black president is some people wanting to prove how liberal and forward thinking they were.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 12, 2015 7:32:30 GMT -5
I DO think a part of the reason we have a black president is some people wanting to prove how liberal and forward thinking they were. Our voting presinct had more (black) voter turn out than I had ever seen, ever, in the 15 years we've been in our neighborhood. Since our neighborhood school has 80% of the student population living in poverty, I'm assuming folks aren't really voting to prove how liberal they are, because they are more worried about basic needs. Our state is so polarized that I don't buy that some is going to step over party lines just to be "liberal." Indeed, liberal is just as dirty of a word as government assistance, and public sector employee (which is also synonymous with ISIS.)
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 12, 2015 8:43:39 GMT -5
Unless Bush runs, I will probably have to vote for her. Cruz, and Paul are off the table for me. I actually trust her more than I did Bill, but I am not sure if that really means anything of consequence. I NEVER trusted Bill. Hillary is sort of a more "open book". You get what you see.
My biggest concern is the Middle East, and terrorism. How well do the Kingdoms and terrorists accept a woman running the largest power in the world? Not even sure how ME countries handled her in the position of Secretary of State. Might be a non-issue, but not sure. Terrorists-different story. Their hatred could even be worse towards us with a woman in power. Their hair will be literally on fire.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 9:54:19 GMT -5
What was one of her major accomplishments at the State dept? What policy has she been for that she has been right on? I don't know so am asking.
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Post by bobosensei on Apr 12, 2015 9:57:01 GMT -5
I truly believe it is because she did not leave her husband after the sex scandal. I don't blame her for not leaving Bill. Too many people have forgotten that folks get married/stay married for all sorts of reasons other than love. And the only ones that need to be concerned about the "whys" of a couple staying/remaining married is that couple. Not to mention if she'd left him over it she would have been branded as an anti-marriage, anti-family, unsupportive, unloving, unforgiving, cold hearted b itch who deserved to be cheated on because she was such an awful wife.
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Post by sesfw on Apr 12, 2015 15:59:01 GMT -5
she did not leave her husband after the sex scandal.
Hill didn't leave Bill because she has more power as the wife of an ex-prez than the ex-wife of an ex-prez.
If the Clinton's got back in WH she would spend her time wondering who Bill was with this time.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 12, 2015 16:08:09 GMT -5
... If the Clinton's got back in WH she would spend her time wondering who Bill was with this time. I'm not sure she is or ever was really all that concerned about it.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 12, 2015 20:17:38 GMT -5
On one of the Sunday morning show this morning they were talking about Hillary and Bill and the consequences of her in the White House for them.
Bill has been living much of the time in Arkansas away from Hillary. I did not know that......
He would have to give up the Clinton Foundation, and supposedly there is some conflict with this right now.
Do not know if either is true, but makes me wonder a little.
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Post by xia on Apr 13, 2015 7:45:44 GMT -5
Id like to vote for a woman, just not her I feel the same way
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 13, 2015 7:49:49 GMT -5
There are so many women out there, surely there's a viable candidate.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 13, 2015 8:24:57 GMT -5
There are so many women out there, surely there's a viable candidate. Let's check the binders.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 8:37:25 GMT -5
There are so many women out there, surely there's a viable candidate. She is a viable candidate. Anyone that gets this close to running with a real chance of winning has a lot of dirty laundry out there that has been aired and exaggerated and gets recycled through the new channels on a regular basis. Having a black man or woman is a sign of progress, not a social experiment. You will know you have really made it when people stop talking about their race or sex. What makes Hillary such a viable candidate is her ability to survive the attacks.
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