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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2015 8:41:00 GMT -5
Nearly 9 percent of Americans are angry, impulsive and have a gun, study saysTread lightly, Americans: Nearly 9 percent of people in the United States have outbursts of anger, break or smash things, or get into physical fights—and have access to a firearm, a new study says. What's more, 1.5 percent of people who have these anger issues carry their guns outside the home. The findings, published Wednesday in the journal Behavioral Sciences and the Law, suggest that measures to reduce gun injuries and deaths should focus less on diagnosed mental illness and more on a history of violent behavior. The new research also indicates that the 310 million firearms estimated to be in private hands in the United States are disproportionately owned by people who are prone to angry, impulsive behavior and have a potentially dangerous habit of keeping their guns close at hand. That's because people owning six or more guns were more likely to fall into both of these categories than people who owned a single gun. In 2012, 11,622 people in the United States were killed by a firearm discharged during an intentional act of violence, and an additional 57,077 were injured. Although mass shootings have focused lawmakers' attention on the need to keep guns out of the hands of those with a serious mental illness, the new study implies that doing so would make only a small dent in this tally of morbidity and mortality. Rest of article here: Nearly 9 percent of Americans are angry, impulsive and have a gun, study says
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 9, 2015 8:47:33 GMT -5
Holy crap.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 9, 2015 8:53:32 GMT -5
Wonder how many of that 9% are cops? They sure fit the profile!
outbursts of anger, break or smash things, or get into physical fights—and have access to a firearm,
Just wondering?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Apr 9, 2015 8:56:00 GMT -5
Now I need to buy a gun to protect myself from these nasty people.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 9, 2015 9:01:44 GMT -5
I have one for sale, lets just meet in a parking lot some where.
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Post by The Captain on Apr 9, 2015 9:03:16 GMT -5
I still trying to figure out why the heck someone needs 6 or more guns?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Apr 9, 2015 9:06:22 GMT -5
Maybe they need 7 guns. One for each day of the week?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 9, 2015 9:08:59 GMT -5
I've seen far more people trying to cut you off on highways and causing accidents due to their road rage than I've ever seen or heard of people shooting each other bc of all that anger.
But since we can't start a campaign on "let's ban all cars", let's concentrate on something more interesting, like guns
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Post by tractor on Apr 9, 2015 9:12:44 GMT -5
Six guns wouldn't be near enough. I own about 20 (I don't count them), and most get used, different gauges of shotguns for different game species and different hunting conditions, I have rifles for big and small game, there's hand guns for target practice and personal carry, and with two boys, they need their own guns to hunt with as well.
My point is, six guns really isn't that many for someone to own, I am neither angry, nor aggressive and my behavior has nothing to do with gun ownership. All my guns are locked in a safe, and I do have my CPL for personal carry should I so choose.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2015 9:15:01 GMT -5
I've seen far more people trying to cut you off on highways and causing accidents due to their road rage than I've ever seen or heard of people shooting each other bc of all that anger. But since we can't start a campaign on "let's ban all cars", let's concentrate on something more interesting, like guns Did I miss reading something in the article where it even implied those 9% mentioned have shot and injured or killed someone out of anger?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Apr 9, 2015 9:21:39 GMT -5
I've seen far more people trying to cut you off on highways and causing accidents due to their road rage than I've ever seen or heard of people shooting each other bc of all that anger. But since we can't start a campaign on "let's ban all cars", let's concentrate on something more interesting, like guns Did I miss reading something in the article where it even implied those 9% mentioned have shot and injured or killed someone out of anger?Well, if they haven't, then I COMPLETELY miss the point of the article. Bc that would be like saying that 9% if people who have anger issues also have access to chickens.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 9, 2015 9:39:15 GMT -5
I've seen far more people trying to cut you off on highways and causing accidents due to their road rage than I've ever seen or heard of people shooting each other bc of all that anger. But since we can't start a campaign on "let's ban all cars", let's concentrate on something more interesting, like guns In my neck of the woods, road rage and pointing a gun seem to go hand in hand. There are many confrontations of road rage where the gun is pointed out the window, and many of these also have shots fired.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 9, 2015 10:56:10 GMT -5
I saw an article the other day where a road rage incident ended with the guy brandishing his chain saw.
I would think it would be hard to drive while also holding your chainsaw.
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 9, 2015 11:00:42 GMT -5
Hey, I brought mine to DH's office when I had to fire a guy there. No clue how he'd react.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 9, 2015 11:11:07 GMT -5
that is almost exactly the same number as are homosexual. sounds like a bad combo to me.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 9, 2015 11:16:43 GMT -5
that is almost exactly the same number as are homosexual. sounds like a bad combo to me. Hey! Maybe the angry 9% and the homosexual 9% are the exact same 9%!
Nation Overrun by Angry, Angry, Heavily Armed Gays! Alert Fox News! We need to get the talking heads raging against this pronto.
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Post by Angel! on Apr 9, 2015 11:26:36 GMT -5
I've seen far more people trying to cut you off on highways and causing accidents due to their road rage than I've ever seen or heard of people shooting each other bc of all that anger. But since we can't start a campaign on "let's ban all cars", let's concentrate on something more interesting, like guns As a percentage of total car crashes, very few are caused by road rage. I would say less than 1%, but definitely less than 5% to be conservative. Whereas 60% of shooting where someone is injured or killed (including cop & self-inflicted) are a bad guy shooting at someone. Then 15-20% of shootings result in death vs. 0.5% of car crashes.
My point is - 10 times as many people die each year because someone else shot them intentionally as die in a car crash due to road rage even using the most conservative assumptions. It is fairly safe to say that guns are a bigger problem when we are talking about intentionally injuring or killing someone.
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Post by wyouser on Apr 9, 2015 12:10:50 GMT -5
I still trying to figure out why the heck someone needs 6 or more guns? I am surrounded by droves of malicious heinous electronic devices whose sole purpose on this planet is to "get" me! I must have weapons nearby at all times!!! I'm sorry, but tinfoil just won't cut it!
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Apr 9, 2015 12:16:42 GMT -5
I still trying to figure out why the heck someone needs 6 or more guns? Why does anybody collect anything? There doesn't have to be a practical reason to own multiple guns, some people may just like to collect them. However there are different uses for different types and calibers of guns so there are practical reason why someone might want to have multiple guns. But for lots of people they just like to own and shoot a variety of different guns.
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Post by The Captain on Apr 9, 2015 13:03:59 GMT -5
I still trying to figure out why the heck someone needs 6 or more guns? I don't think it's that uncommon MrSroo had 4 or 5 from childhood, ones that had been passed down from family, ones that had been bought specifically for him, etc. It's like any other hobby. Different activities require different tools. My BIL, hunts, black powder hunts, shoots skeet, shoots handguns, hunts different types of animals. All of these different activities require different guns. I guess a lot of it has to do with what you're used to. Growing up we had zero guns in our house. Same for most of my extended family except for the Uncle who was a Chicago cop so I admittedly know almost nothing about them. DH has a few rifles and wants us to get our firearms card(s). I'm not opposed, just don't really see the point. I've even taken a few rifle shooting classes and am apparently one of those rare unicorns who does not have a dominate eye so my shooting skills suck (at least that's my story and I'm sticking with it!). I'm much better with knives.
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Post by Shooby on Apr 9, 2015 13:24:41 GMT -5
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Post by kittensaver on Apr 9, 2015 17:25:54 GMT -5
The findings, published Wednesday in the journal Behavioral Sciences and the Law, suggest that measures to reduce gun injuries and deaths should focus less on diagnosed mental illness and more on a history of violent behavior.
I am sooooooooooo glad to see the author say this! Those of us who work in mental health have been saying this forever, but it has largely fallen on deaf ears in the public arena.
Several reputable studies over the years [go to SAMHSA's website for a few] have shown that the #1 predictor for violent behavior is NOT mental illness - - it is substance abuse. And yet the mental health community continues to live with the stigma that they are "dangerous" whenever someone with a gun goes crazy in public.
The far, deep and wide vast majority of mental health clients wouldn't hurt a flea. Sometimes I think that ignorant/unaware/unknowledgeable people, in their fear, just need someone to "blame" so that they can rationalize away danger.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 10, 2015 7:34:57 GMT -5
I completely understand gun culture when it's connected to hunting and/ or target shooting.
When it's not I get a bit curious. I know a couple gun collectors, who want to have one of everything, but they're mostly interested in old guns, Civil war guns, WWI or WWII guns, etc. I get that. They're collectors. I wouldn't do it because it seems like an expensive hobby (kind of like golf) but I can see the appeal. Neither of these guys were particularly angry, though, which is good.
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Post by Opti on Apr 10, 2015 9:24:31 GMT -5
The findings, published Wednesday in the journal Behavioral Sciences and the Law, suggest that measures to reduce gun injuries and deaths should focus less on diagnosed mental illness and more on a history of violent behavior.
I am sooooooooooo glad to see the author say this! Those of us who work in mental health have been saying this forever, but it has largely fallen on deaf ears in the public arena.
Several reputable studies over the years [go to SAMHSA's website for a few] have shown that the #1 predictor for violent behavior is NOT mental illness - - it is substance abuse. And yet the mental health community continues to live with the stigma that they are "dangerous" whenever someone with a gun goes crazy in public.
The far, deep and wide vast majority of mental health clients wouldn't hurt a flea. Sometimes I think that ignorant/unaware/unknowledgeable people, in their fear, just need someone to "blame" so that they can rationalize away danger.
I think people want the danger to be fixable and preferably something other people have to deal with, so mental illness is a convenient scape goat for some. Also, because the media tends to cover mass shootings in more detail than say the guy who killed the texter in the movie theatre, people who don't research stats often think what they read is a representative reality of how often things happen instead of media reality of what stuff gets readers.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 10, 2015 12:16:18 GMT -5
I still trying to figure out why the heck someone needs 6 or more guns? As a challenge to learn how to shoot well. It's kind of like why a woman has more than one purse or more than one pair of shoes - or perceived this way. I do kind of understand. My gun is a 1911, but sometimes I'll take TD's 22 or Glocks out to shoot. They all require different skill sets to shoot well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 12:29:17 GMT -5
I completely understand gun culture when it's connected to hunting and/ or target shooting.
When it's not I get a bit curious. It shouldn't be that curious. Critters (people) that reside at the top of the food chain never have a problem with killing. It's what we are. It's the pacifists that are the deviates.
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Post by The Captain on Apr 10, 2015 12:30:48 GMT -5
I completely understand gun culture when it's connected to hunting and/ or target shooting.
When it's not I get a bit curious. It shouldn't be that curious. Critters (people) that reside at the top of the food chain never have a problem with killing. It's what we are. It's the pacifists that are the deviates. Then I will happily be a deviant.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 10, 2015 12:32:24 GMT -5
I've heard this from other sources too. Once the police gets hold of your gun (regardless of reason), it can be almost impossible to get back. After my dad died, he had 5 guns that he had willed to my sister. He lived in NY, which has some of the most stringent gun laws in the US. As all of his guns are registered and my dad had a CWP, it was in a state registry that he had these guns. In NY, it is not unheard of for the police to come to a dead person's home and confiscate their weapons after death - if no one in the house also holds a NY CWP. It is almost impossible to fly out of NY with guns (my gun instructor flat out refuses to fly into NY), and if you do not have a CWP, you cannot transport them within the state, however you can transport them to leave the state. It's really bizarre. For instance, we could transport them in the car to the ferry into VT, but we could not transport them to a FFL in NY to send them to MN (and we may have had problems with the FFL dealer). So we had to scramble to deal with his guns after he died. Fortunately, my sister and I flew out 4 days after his death and we were holding our breath that no one would show up at the house after his obit ran in the paper. My sister wound up flying out with them as checked luggage. She was flying out of VT, so it wasn't a problem there and her DH was picking her up in MN and he does have his CWP. The whole thing was a freaking pain in the butt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 12:48:55 GMT -5
It shouldn't be that curious. Critters (people) that reside at the top of the food chain never have a problem with killing. It's what we are. It's the pacifists that are the deviates. Then I will happily be a deviant. Of course!
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