MSNBC and Joe in the moring

[Value Buy]

I think MSNBC has gotten the memo to the troops on at least one political talk segment. "We have to change our political rants to survive against Fox News."

Mika and Joe have been talking Iran, John Kerry, and President Obama.
They were actually almost slightly negative about everything happening there. Now remember I said "almost".....

Now they are actually attacking Harry Reid and an interview he did this week talking about his lieing about Mitt Romney and Romney's taxes during the Presidential election.
Harry's DEFENSE TO THE INTERVIEW?  "It worked didn't it?"
Of course Harry is a lame duck so he is an easy target, but still, very interesting this morning.

Disclosure: I always felt Joe was fair in discussions, over the years, Mika not so much, but still an interesting and some what balanced discussion, although most of their guests are talking heads for the Administration.

[happyhoix]

I think MSNBC has gotten the memo to the troops on at least one political talk segment. "We have to change our political rants to survive against Fox News."

I'm not sure where you got this.

I watch MSNBC most mornings and Joe is usually the conservative voice and Mika is the more liberal voice, although I would put both of them in the more 'moderate' spectrum of both sides. 

I have seen Joe go after conservatives he felt were wrong, and I've also seen Mika go after democrats she felt made mistakes - for instance, she's been hard on Hilary for not being more upfront in the whole email/server thing.

If there was some 'memo' where MSNBC was attempting to mirror Fox in order garner some of their audience, they would fire both Mika and Joe and bring in some attractive, opinionated hard right news readers to replace them. I think MSNBC is content being in the middle of the road, politically, and letting both sides have a say, because they know some viewers like it that way (like me).

[Tennesseer]

Apr 2, 2015 6:32:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I think MSNBC has gotten the memo to the troops on at least one political talk segment. "We have to change our political rants to survive against Fox News."

Mika and Joe have been talking Iran, John Kerry, and President Obama.
They were actually almost slightly negative about everything happening there. Now remember I said "almost".....

Now they are actually attacking Harry Reid and an interview he did this week talking about his lieing about Mitt Romney and Romney's taxes during the Presidential election.
Harry's DEFENSE TO THE INTERVIEW?  "It worked didn't it?"
Of course Harry is a lame duck so he is an easy target, but still, very interesting this morning.

Disclosure: I always felt Joe was fair in discussions, over the years, Mika not so much, but still an interesting and some what balanced discussion, although most of their guests are talking heads for the Administration.

Any links to a video or transcript to the specific MSNBC show you mention and a link to a transcript or video of the Harry Reid comment?

[Value Buy]

Apr 2, 2015 8:00:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 2, 2015 6:32:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I think MSNBC has gotten the memo to the troops on at least one political talk segment. "We have to change our political rants to survive against Fox News."

Mika and Joe have been talking Iran, John Kerry, and President Obama.
They were actually almost slightly negative about everything happening there. Now remember I said "almost".....

Now they are actually attacking Harry Reid and an interview he did this week talking about his lieing about Mitt Romney and Romney's taxes during the Presidential election.
Harry's DEFENSE TO THE INTERVIEW?  "It worked didn't it?"
Of course Harry is a lame duck so he is an easy target, but still, very interesting this morning.

Disclosure: I always felt Joe was fair in discussions, over the years, Mika not so much, but still an interesting and some what balanced discussion, although most of their guests are talking heads for the Administration.

Any links to a video or transcript to the specific MSNBC show you mention and a link to a transcript or video of the Harry Reid comment?

No links. I assume if you go to MSNBC website, you can click on "Morning Joe".
Looks like it is Morning Joe rather than Joe in the morning.
I had them on this morning, so it was today's discussion.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Interesting. That this show is still on, I mean. Haven't watched MSNBC since Rush banned it from discussion on his show. I figure anything, or any source Rush isn't willing to discuss is irrelevant. Last I checked they were the smallest audience, most biased, least trusted network. Why bother?

[happyhoix]

Apr 2, 2015 10:21:13 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Haven't watched MSNBC since Rush banned it from discussion on his show. I figure anything, or any source Rush isn't willing to discuss is irrelevant.

Wow - so that's how Rush manages to brainwash his dittoheads.

He convinces them to only read the media he wants them to read.

How Big Brotherish.

Me - I prefer to read everything I have time to read, from a bunch of different sources,  and decide for myself what I think is irrelevant and what is useful.

It takes work. You have to weed through a lot of chaff, and you have to figure out what the bias is (most media sources have some kind of bias or spin) but I like that better than loyally believing what some entertainer is spoon feeding me.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 2, 2015 6:32:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I think MSNBC has gotten the memo to the troops on at least one political talk segment. "We have to change our political rants to survive against Fox News."

Mika and Joe have been talking Iran, John Kerry, and President Obama.
They were actually almost slightly negative about everything happening there. Now remember I said "almost".....

Now they are actually attacking Harry Reid and an interview he did this week talking about his lieing about Mitt Romney and Romney's taxes during the Presidential election.
Harry's DEFENSE TO THE INTERVIEW?  "It worked didn't it?"
Of course Harry is a lame duck so he is an easy target, but still, very interesting this morning.

Disclosure: I always felt Joe was fair in discussions, over the years, Mika not so much, but still an interesting and some what balanced discussion, although most of their guests are talking heads for the Administration.

Morning Joe has been on a long time, and has always been pretty conservative.  i don't think MSNBC is changing their stripes because of it any more than i think that FOX is because of the Simpsons.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 2, 2015 10:21:13 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Interesting. That this show is still on, I mean. Haven't watched MSNBC since Rush banned it from discussion on his show. I figure anything, or any source Rush isn't willing to discuss is irrelevant.

LOL

LOL

[EVT1]

Never watched it- but my opinion is that if MSNBC thinks it is going to compete with FOX news by being the polar opposite it will fail quickly.

Air America- failed trying to compete with right wing talk radio- and always will. Their audience does not use AM radios for starters.  There is no desire or need to be pumped full of screaming hate on a daily basis- they like wine and cheese

And if there is any question that right wing radio is not full of screaming hatred and bile- just take a listen to Savage, Levine, and hundreds of others- they scream at their own audiences. 

This is such a great country, yet according to these losers we are now some kind of socialist shitheap, shat on the constitution, and I am not typing the 100 pages of bullshit I could call these faux patriots on. 

Can't wait to see the enormous piles of shit coming over Iran- because of course the better deal is to go to war with anyone that disagrees with us.

How about a national referendum on war with Iran- people that vote for it grab a rifle and get the fuck on the ground- that includes congress.  I never understood that- these assholes that won't so much as risk a paper cut have no problem sending your or my child to death in some overseas quagmire.

Funny- I was watching a special on Vietnam- and saw a familiar protest sign- 'no war for wall street profits'.  I see they are still running things- including the next war.  So send your kids.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

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[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 2, 2015 10:21:13 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Interesting. That this show is still on, I mean. Haven't watched MSNBC since Rush banned it from discussion on his show. I figure anything, or any source Rush isn't willing to discuss is irrelevant. Last I checked they were the smallest audience, most biased, least trusted network. Why bother?

This level of devotion is... unsettling.

Paul, take some advice from the leftists on our board. Don't boycott news sites that offend your sensibilities. Rather, consistently do your best to avoid them, and when unable to avoid them, summarily reject everything they say.

[weltschmerz]

Apr 2, 2015 10:21:13 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Interesting. That this show is still on, I mean. Haven't watched MSNBC since Rush banned it from discussion on his show. I figure anything, or any source Rush isn't willing to discuss is irrelevant. Last I checked they were the smallest audience, most biased, least trusted network. Why bother?

Lol! You do everything Rush tells you?

You'd probably jump off a bridge if Rush commanded it.

[Value Buy]

Apr 2, 2015 13:39:33 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 2, 2015 6:32:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I think MSNBC has gotten the memo to the troops on at least one political talk segment. "We have to change our political rants to survive against Fox News."

Mika and Joe have been talking Iran, John Kerry, and President Obama.
They were actually almost slightly negative about everything happening there. Now remember I said "almost".....

Now they are actually attacking Harry Reid and an interview he did this week talking about his lieing about Mitt Romney and Romney's taxes during the Presidential election.
Harry's DEFENSE TO THE INTERVIEW?  "It worked didn't it?"
Of course Harry is a lame duck so he is an easy target, but still, very interesting this morning.

Disclosure: I always felt Joe was fair in discussions, over the years, Mika not so much, but still an interesting and some what balanced discussion, although most of their guests are talking heads for the Administration.

Morning Joe has been on a long time, and has always been pretty conservative.  i don't think MSNBC is changing their stripes because of it any more than i think that FOX is because of the Simpsons.

Not so sure about that dj.
I think they brought in new management to try and stop the viewership drop. Right now they are in long term contracts signed before Comcast bought the company. As these cable agreements with Warner and other cable outlet agreements come up, and also with advertisers they are going to take a hit for lack of people viewing.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 3, 2015 8:35:17 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Apr 2, 2015 10:21:13 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Interesting. That this show is still on, I mean. Haven't watched MSNBC since Rush banned it from discussion on his show. I figure anything, or any source Rush isn't willing to discuss is irrelevant. Last I checked they were the smallest audience, most biased, least trusted network. Why bother?

This level of devotion is... unsettling.

Paul, take some advice from the leftists on our board. Don't boycott news sites that offend your sensibilities. Rather, consistently do your best to avoid them, and when unable to avoid them, summarily reject everything they say.

let's be clear, here.  there are VERY FEW news sites i ignore.  i can count them on one hand.  but i DO have plenty of complaints about the MSM in general.  i think they are pretty much a waste of time.  but i don't GENERALLY ignore them.  i just prefer news sources that spend more than 30 seconds on a topic.  i don't even IGNORE Limbaugh.  i find him fascinating, actually.  but the longer i listen to him, the easier it is to dissect his arguments for what they are: built on logical fallacies that consistently fool his listeners.

there is SOME good stuff that happens in the MSM.  it is just so rare that it is hard to separate the wheat from chaff (and not generally worth the effort).  therefore, i tend to focus on the print media, public media, and the foreign press.  i only have so many hours in a day, after all.  but that is just me.  i don't recommend this for everyone.  it is just how i roll.

edit: most of what people use as sources on this board are not actually news sites.  they are generally blogs.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 3, 2015 11:32:34 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 2, 2015 13:39:33 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Morning Joe has been on a long time, and has always been pretty conservative.  i don't think MSNBC is changing their stripes because of it any more than i think that FOX is because of the Simpsons.

Not so sure about that dj.
I think they brought in new management to try and stop the viewership drop. Right now they are in long term contracts signed before Comcast bought the company. As these cable agreements with Warner and other cable outlet agreements come up, and also with advertisers they are going to take a hit for lack of people viewing.

i don't see any evidence that their viewership is NOT dropping, and i don't see ANY concerted effort to change things up.  if they really wanted to fix it, they would revamp the Maddow show, which is WOEFULLY behind the times in terms of formatting.  they will NEVER do that.  EVER.

[djAdvocate]

edit: i wanted to add two things about MSNBC.

1) i think they should have gone after FOX's demographic a long time ago.  from a business standpoint, it is a smart thing to do.

2) since they have failed to do so, i think it is DUMB to do it, now.  the age wave is almost over.  they are better off trying to capture the audience they already have, and retain them, and work the mobile market (which FOX is pretty much ignoring).  i have no idea whether they are doing THAT, either, but they should.

[Value Buy]

Apr 3, 2015 13:22:33 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 3, 2015 11:32:34 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not so sure about that dj.
I think they brought in new management to try and stop the viewership drop. Right now they are in long term contracts signed before Comcast bought the company. As these cable agreements with Warner and other cable outlet agreements come up, and also with advertisers they are going to take a hit for lack of people viewing.

i don't see any evidence that their viewership is NOT dropping, and i don't see ANY concerted effort to change things up.  if they really wanted to fix it, they would revamp the Maddow show, which is WOEFULLY behind the times in terms of formatting.  they will NEVER do that.  EVER.

MSNBC'S viewership is dropping.
Drastically.

CNN is also dropping off the table.
Fox is not dropping, and I believed gained viewership.
Maddow, what do you mean by formatting?
If the discussion is not gay or super left wing communist orientation, it is not discussed, other than in the context of how "stupid" Fox News, Republicans and their viewership is.
And since her viewership has dried up, even the gay/lesbian crowd has had enough.
The Commies might still be tuning in.
 

[Value Buy]

They are not even listening to Lawerence O'Donnel anymore.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 3, 2015 14:30:34 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 3, 2015 13:22:33 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i don't see any evidence that their viewership is NOT dropping, and i don't see ANY concerted effort to change things up.  if they really wanted to fix it, they would revamp the Maddow show, which is WOEFULLY behind the times in terms of formatting.  they will NEVER do that.  EVER.

MSNBC'S viewership is dropping.
Drastically.

CNN is also dropping off the table.
Fox is not dropping, and I believed gained viewership.
Maddow, what do you mean by formatting?
If the discussion is not gay or super left wing communist orientation, it is not discussed, other than in the context of how "stupid" Fox News, Republicans and their viewership is.
And since her viewership has dried up, even the gay/lesbian crowd has had enough.
The Commies might still be tuning in.
 

Maddow's format is like Walter Concrete (intentional typo).  it is ridiculously old fashioned.  i can't imagine it is effective.  her 18-35 demographic is outstanding.  she needs to hold on to them as they grow older.

when i say demographics, i am not referring to Republicans.  i was referring to rich older people.  most of whom are Republicans. 

[happyhoix]

Apr 3, 2015 14:31:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

They are not even listening to Lawerence O'Donnel anymore.

O'Donnel is doing better than most of the rest of their line up.

www.adweek.com/tvnewser/scoreboard-wed-april-1/259854

Yes Fox gets the lion's share of the cable news watchers, but that's because Fox has abandoned strict devotion to journalistic principles in favor of sticking to certain approved 'talking points'  and positioned itself as the voice of the far right. At the same time, like Rush, it cautions it's viewers that they will not find any reliable news on any other station. Therefore, like Rush, it has developed loyal viewers, like my SIL and MIL, who won't watch any other news source. 

More moderate/liberal viewers will skim a much wider selection of news reports. I suspect if FOX news was the only moderate/liberal news station and HLN/MSN/CNN were very right wing, FOX would still have the highest viewer numbers, because it would still be the only one of it's kind around.

 

[djAdvocate]

Apr 6, 2015 7:55:55 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Apr 3, 2015 14:31:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

They are not even listening to Lawerence O'Donnel anymore.

O'Donnel is doing better than most of the rest of their line up.

www.adweek.com/tvnewser/scoreboard-wed-april-1/259854

Yes Fox gets the lion's share of the cable news watchers, but that's because Fox has abandoned strict devotion to journalistic principles in favor of sticking to certain approved 'talking points'  and positioned itself as the voice of the far right. At the same time, like Rush, it cautions it's viewers that they will not find any reliable news on any other station. Therefore, like Rush, it has developed loyal viewers, like my SIL and MIL, who won't watch any other news source. 

More moderate/liberal viewers will skim a much wider selection of news reports. I suspect if FOX news was the only moderate/liberal news station and HLN/MSN/CNN were very right wing, FOX would still have the highest viewer numbers, because it would still be the only one of it's kind around.

 

it is not only that, but it is because their audience demographic has a love affair with TV.  lucky them.