Germanwings Pilot Locked Out Of Cockpit.

[EVT1]

Mar 26, 2015 18:25:58 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Mar 26, 2015 10:13:14 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i thought that already was the rule in Europe.  no?

 

But this event shows how worthless all that security the passengers go through really is, though...

Whaaaat?

Screening for guns and bombs is worthless because- hey, fuck it- the pilot might kill us?

[EVT1]

Heard an interesting hour of talk about this on the local RW radio show today- at the start they had an industry pro on the show and right away the point of the show was that a suicide made no sense, the descent was wrong (for a suicide), that the French prosecutor was an irresponsible moron for releasing that theory before the official investigation was done, etc. etc.

Then it went on about psych testing of pilots, the two person cockpit rule, and our RW host said quite proudly that no American pilots have ever attempted anything similar.  He even argued with his guest about the psych testing- as if the MMPI was worth a fuck.

What I could not understand is how in the shit is this political- for fuck's sake they are arguing about having guns on planes now

[EVT1]

Damn- still watching this argument about the cockpit rules, pilot training, and all this crap- and I agree with the CEO of Lufthansa- no need to change policies in some knee-jerk fashion.

There is no way to stop this from happening. Well- there is one way- expanded full authority digital electronic control (term I learned watching plane crash shows)- where the plane or a ground station can take control away from the pilot if it detects flight into terrain.

There is ample evidence it is a good idea- another term I learned through the same shows- TCAS- where a lot of people died because pilots prioritized air traffic control over the system and ended up in a collision.

This is ready to roll technology- already working its way into automobiles via smart cruise control, crash avoidance, etc.

Planes can already take off, cruise, and land without a pilot for the most part.  Not trying to put pilots out of a job, just saying there are technologies that can prevent this kind of incident.

[happyhoix]

Mar 26, 2015 20:02:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 26, 2015 18:25:58 GMT -5 jkapp said:

According to an article I read, it isn't in effect there. Norway was "discussing" doing it, and are now moving that plan forward much quicker. I'm guessing it will catch on every where pretty quickly.

But this event shows how worthless all that security the passengers go through really is, though...

While the co-pilot's actions are an anomaly based upon the yearly number of commercial flights world-wide (around 37 million), the cockpit door worked as it was designed to do: protect the cockpit and its crew from people trying to enter it with or with out weapons.

Since America has the rule that no one can be in the cock pit alone, we haven't had this kind of incident, where the pilot seizes command of the plane and crashes it (not a big plane, anyway - just small ones) in the US, but there have been several, like this one, that took place outside the US, so that shows our rule about 'no one alone in the cockpit' is a good one, anyway.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 27, 2015 1:16:01 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Heard an interesting hour of talk about this on the local RW radio show today- at the start they had an industry pro on the show and right away the point of the show was that a suicide made no sense, the descent was wrong (for a suicide), that the French prosecutor was an irresponsible moron for releasing that theory before the official investigation was done, etc. etc.

Then it went on about psych testing of pilots, the two person cockpit rule, and our RW host said quite proudly that no American pilots have ever attempted anything similar.  He even argued with his guest about the psych testing- as if the MMPI was worth a fuck.

What I could not understand is how in the shit is this political- for fuck's sake they are arguing about having guns on planes now

Not a passenger jet but a DC-10 cargo jet.

Federal Express Flight 705

[Bonny]

Both MSN and CNN are citing reports that that allude to the co pilot being treated for mental issues; probably depression and anxiety.

edition.cnn.com/2015/03/27/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

In addition to the 2 person in the cockpit rule I'm going to guess that there's going to be a requirement for an annual psych evaluation and mandatory requirement that a pilot report seeking psychiatric help. This is likely to be a mixed bag with pilots being reluctant to seek help when they need it.

[zibazinski]

Plus, it's incredibly easy to fool psychologists.

[Opti]

I think it would be better to put in technology that does not allow for crashing

into large objects like mountains or buildings.

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Looks like this pilot was a real big creep.

No wonder he wanted to off himself.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-%e2%80%98wanted-to-make-everyone-remember-him%e2%80%99/ar-AAa4F6M?ocid=U146DHP

[mmhmm]

I don't know he was a "creep". It sounds more like he was a very, very sick individual. Apparently, the "sick note" saying he was unfit to fly was given to him and he tore it up. IMO, a note like that needs to be emailed/faxed/whatever to the airline's medical department and treated as urgent, not given to the individual! I also think two in the cockpit isn't enough. There really should be three. A demented individual could overcome one other person. It would be much more difficult to overcome two other people.

This is a horrible disaster and my heart truly goes out to those who have lost loved ones. As in all things of this type, there is much to be learned. Let's hope it is, indeed, learned and protocols put in place to be as sure as possible this doesn't happen again. Pilots, like everyone else, are only people. People are vulnerable.

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I don't see sick. Depressed maybe but taking a slew of people out so you would be "remembered" makes you a creep & worse in my eyes.

[OldCoyote]

Mar 26, 2015 20:02:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 26, 2015 18:25:58 GMT -5 jkapp said:

According to an article I read, it isn't in effect there. Norway was "discussing" doing it, and are now moving that plan forward much quicker. I'm guessing it will catch on every where pretty quickly.

But this event shows how worthless all that security the passengers go through really is, though...

While the co-pilot's actions are an anomaly based upon the yearly number of commercial flights world-wide (around 37 million), the cockpit door worked as it was designed to do: protect the cockpit and its crew from people trying to enter it with or with out weapons.

Tenn nails it here, This is not a problem,  out of millions of flights you have ONE, that's right one incidence of this.  So now we are going to change all kinds of rules??

Your chances of being of being struck by lightning while roller skating in a buffalo herd are higher than you being on that flight.

Ok, Let's try this,  your 200# pilot who can carry a gun shoots the copilot,  Of the flight attendant who does not go through checkpoints, carries a gun on board shoot the pilot when the co-pilot takes a leak.

Or, Or, Or,  Maybe we need to stop all flights, they are just getting to dangerous.