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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 26, 2015 7:27:18 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on Mar 26, 2015 8:06:17 GMT -5
just as I was leaving the house this morning, CBS news reported French investigators have determined that the remaining pilot crashed the plan deliberately
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Mar 26, 2015 8:12:40 GMT -5
I heard that US airline protocol states that if one of the pilots leaves the cockpit a flight attendant needs to take their places so that there are always two people in the cockpit. Now that doesn't mean that one person couldn't overpower the other, but at least it is something.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 26, 2015 8:15:00 GMT -5
Remember the Turkish Airline crash in to the Atlantic, several years ago?
One of my customers was on board.
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Mar 26, 2015 8:26:01 GMT -5
I want to know if the pilot was German or what? Suicide or terrorism ? This is just terrible, I feel so bad for those people and their families
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Mar 26, 2015 8:52:19 GMT -5
Thanks Dem! Odd, we had two classmates commit suicide this past weekend as well. Kinda creepy.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 26, 2015 9:15:56 GMT -5
While not a member of the flight crew, this terminated USAir gate agent killed 43 people pretty much the same way: Pacific Southwest Airlines flight 1771 was a commercial flight that crashed near Cayucos, California, United States, on December 7, 1987, as a result of a murder–suicide by one of the passengers. All 43 people on board the aircraft died, five of whom were shot to death before the plane crashed. The man who caused the crash, David Burke, was a disgruntled former employee of USAir, the parent company of PSA. Full story below. Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 1771
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2015 9:42:15 GMT -5
yep. great tactic on the part of terrorists: recruit pilots. this is why the war against terror should be fought on root causes.
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Post by justme on Mar 26, 2015 9:59:50 GMT -5
I foresee Europe quickly enacting a law similar to the one the US has about always two in the cockpit.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2015 10:13:14 GMT -5
I foresee Europe quickly enacting a law similar to the one the US has about always two in the cockpit. i thought that already was the rule in Europe. no?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 26, 2015 10:18:17 GMT -5
I foresee Europe quickly enacting a law similar to the one the US has about always two in the cockpit. Apparently not. Someone asked this at a press conference and it was deemed unnecessary by the powers that be. However, this is very soon after this incident and things are still in upheaval.
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Post by justme on Mar 26, 2015 10:29:59 GMT -5
I foresee Europe quickly enacting a law similar to the one the US has about always two in the cockpit. i thought that already was the rule in Europe. no? From what I've heard it's not. I've heard it from a few sources so I guess it's true and why no one had mentioned anything about the pilot breaking protocol? US carriers might follow it everywhere though, but that's a guess.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2015 10:32:47 GMT -5
i thought that already was the rule in Europe. no? From what I've heard it's not. I've heard it from a few sources so I guess it's true and why no one had mentioned anything about the pilot breaking protocol? US carriers might follow it everywhere though, but that's a guess. pilots have to pee. in the US, an attendant is supposed to trade places when he does.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Mar 26, 2015 10:36:29 GMT -5
From what I've heard it's not. I've heard it from a few sources so I guess it's true and why no one had mentioned anything about the pilot breaking protocol? US carriers might follow it everywhere though, but that's a guess. pilots have to pee. in the US, an attendant is supposed to trade places when he does. And another attendant has to help him shake it off.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Mar 26, 2015 10:58:35 GMT -5
So sad.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 26, 2015 12:09:48 GMT -5
i thought that already was the rule in Europe. no? From what I've heard it's not. I've heard it from a few sources so I guess it's true and why no one had mentioned anything about the pilot breaking protocol? US carriers might follow it everywhere though, but that's a guess. Having another person in the cockpit while the pilot or co pilot goes to the bathroom is a US law, not international law. So no protocol was broken. This was not a US carrier so what pertains to the US does not apply here.
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Post by justme on Mar 26, 2015 12:33:19 GMT -5
From what I've heard it's not. I've heard it from a few sources so I guess it's true and why no one had mentioned anything about the pilot breaking protocol? US carriers might follow it everywhere though, but that's a guess. Having another person in the cockpit while the pilot or co pilot goes to the bathroom is a US law, not international law. So no protocol was broken. This was not a US carrier so what pertains to the US does not apply here. I was saying that it wasn't a law because no one mentioned that when describing what happened. My statement read poorly.
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Post by kittensaver on Mar 26, 2015 12:46:07 GMT -5
I saw this today as well. So sad.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 26, 2015 13:47:47 GMT -5
I heard this coming into work today. I can't imagine the terror those poor people went through. The only sliver of good news at all is that, while the door was locked for 8 minutes, the passengers apparently didn't realize what was about to happen until just right before the crash. (They know this because they can hear the passengers start screaming on the black box audio). So at least hopefully instead of 8 minutes of unspeakable terror they only had 30 seconds or so. Very small comfort, though. I'm very curious about the pilot who crashed the plane, whether this was suicide, whether he was secretly a terrorist, or if someone a terrorist organization black mailed him. So far we haven't heard any terrorist organizations claiming responsibility so maybe it was plain suicide. So tragic.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2015 13:50:46 GMT -5
I heard this coming into work today. I can't imagine the terror those poor people went through. The only sliver of good news at all is that, while the door was locked for 8 minutes, the passengers apparently didn't realize what was about to happen until just right before the crash. (They know this because they can hear the passengers start screaming on the black box audio). So at least hopefully instead of 8 minutes of unspeakable terror they only had 30 seconds or so. Very small comfort, though. I'm very curious about the pilot who crashed the plane, whether this was suicide, whether he was secretly a terrorist, or if someone a terrorist organization black mailed him. So far we haven't heard any terrorist organizations claiming responsibility so maybe it was plain suicide. So tragic. i have heard someone speak on condition of anonymity that there was nothing in his background to indicate any trouble. but i think that kind of broad statement is to be taken with a grain of salt. if he did this, no doubt something will pop up.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 26, 2015 15:44:25 GMT -5
I heard this coming into work today. I can't imagine the terror those poor people went through. The only sliver of good news at all is that, while the door was locked for 8 minutes, the passengers apparently didn't realize what was about to happen until just right before the crash. (They know this because they can hear the passengers start screaming on the black box audio). So at least hopefully instead of 8 minutes of unspeakable terror they only had 30 seconds or so. Very small comfort, though. I'm very curious about the pilot who crashed the plane, whether this was suicide, whether he was secretly a terrorist, or if someone a terrorist organization black mailed him. So far we haven't heard any terrorist organizations claiming responsibility so maybe it was plain suicide. So tragic. Though they were in small aircraft, I know two men who committed suicide by crashing their planes. One was a commercial pilot who flew his plane into the ground. Depression over health concerns. The second was a flight attendant whose girlfriend broke up with him. He crashed his airplane into her family home. No one was inside the house at the time of the crash. Depression over the breakup-wanted to make her feel guilty for breaking up with him.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 26, 2015 15:49:03 GMT -5
This will really suck if it turns out this guy was simply upset from breaking up with a GF.
I understand being depressed and suicidal, but don't understand being depressed and wishing to kill a whole bunch of other people while I kill myself.
That would take a special kind of sociopath.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 26, 2015 16:25:48 GMT -5
This will really suck if it turns out this guy was simply upset from breaking up with a GF. ... True but I am not sure what explanation wouldn't really suck.
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Post by Bonny on Mar 26, 2015 17:20:30 GMT -5
I suspect that he wanted to get back at the airline somehow.
Europeans typically don't sue the way Americans do but I'm guessing that Luftansa is going to be sued. Probably for not having on-going mental health testing of its pilots.
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Post by jkapp on Mar 26, 2015 18:25:58 GMT -5
I foresee Europe quickly enacting a law similar to the one the US has about always two in the cockpit. i thought that already was the rule in Europe. no? According to an article I read, it isn't in effect there. Norway was "discussing" doing it, and are now moving that plan forward much quicker. I'm guessing it will catch on every where pretty quickly.
But this event shows how worthless all that security the passengers go through really is, though...
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Post by jkapp on Mar 26, 2015 18:30:40 GMT -5
The only sliver of good news at all is that, while the door was locked for 8 minutes, the passengers apparently didn't realize what was about to happen until just right before the crash. (They know this because they can hear the passengers start screaming on the black box audio). So at least hopefully instead of 8 minutes of unspeakable terror they only had 30 seconds or so. Very small comfort, though. I'm very curious about the pilot who crashed the plane, whether this was suicide, whether he was secretly a terrorist, or if someone a terrorist organization black mailed him. So far we haven't heard any terrorist organizations claiming responsibility so maybe it was plain suicide. So tragic. i have heard someone speak on condition of anonymity that there was nothing in his background to indicate any trouble. but i think that kind of broad statement is to be taken with a grain of salt. if he did this, no doubt something will pop up. Its really weird the info I've read about so far. The co-pilot sounded courteous and light-hearted in the beginning of the flight, but then during the mid-flight planning, he turned cold.
Possibly some sort of mental break, or even a mini-stroke (even though he was only 27 years old, I think?) that led to homicidal thoughts/actions? Its just very creepy...
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2015 19:03:07 GMT -5
i have heard someone speak on condition of anonymity that there was nothing in his background to indicate any trouble. but i think that kind of broad statement is to be taken with a grain of salt. if he did this, no doubt something will pop up. Its really weird the info I've read about so far. The co-pilot sounded courteous and light-hearted in the beginning of the flight, but then during the mid-flight planning, he turned cold.
Possibly some sort of mental break, or even a mini-stroke (even though he was only 27 years old, I think?) that led to homicidal thoughts/actions? Its just very creepy...
more coming out now. he had one bout with depression six years ago, and had two leaves of absence for unspecified reasons.
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Post by Bonny on Mar 26, 2015 19:20:04 GMT -5
Its really weird the info I've read about so far. The co-pilot sounded courteous and light-hearted in the beginning of the flight, but then during the mid-flight planning, he turned cold.
Possibly some sort of mental break, or even a mini-stroke (even though he was only 27 years old, I think?) that led to homicidal thoughts/actions? Its just very creepy...
more coming out now. he had one bout with depression six years ago, and had two leaves of absence for unspecified reasons. Could you cite your source?
CNN is showing a picture of the co-pilot posing in front of the Golden Gate Bridge. It gives a creepy feeling of it being close to home for me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2015 19:48:00 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 26, 2015 20:02:16 GMT -5
i thought that already was the rule in Europe. no? According to an article I read, it isn't in effect there. Norway was "discussing" doing it, and are now moving that plan forward much quicker. I'm guessing it will catch on every where pretty quickly.
But this event shows how worthless all that security the passengers go through really is, though...
While the co-pilot's actions are an anomaly based upon the yearly number of commercial flights world-wide (around 37 million), the cockpit door worked as it was designed to do: protect the cockpit and its crew from people trying to enter it with or with out weapons.
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