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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:36:06 GMT -5
The author skips the part where the other participant in the sex act has said it was rape. The state isn't making evaluations on anyone's sex when there are no complaints. Yes they are. They are mandating classes on what consensual sex means and it means, among other things, not drunk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:38:18 GMT -5
"that time when you can't string a sentence together but somehow you can still have sex…" I think wanting sex is a primitive thing and speaking is a more advanced brain function. Are you suggesting two people who are trashed drunk can't both want sex? The guy writing the article certainly thinks he can. Are you saying women can't? But the real problem was the legislators that want to put people in jail for drunk sex. Again, the legislators don't want anyone to go to jail for sex. They want to put people in jail for rape. If 2 consenting adults enjoy drunk sex together no one cares.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:39:48 GMT -5
I think wanting sex is a primitive thing and speaking is a more advanced brain function. Are you suggesting two people who are trashed drunk can't both want sex? The guy writing the article certainly thinks he can. Are you saying women can't? But the real problem was the legislators that want to put people in jail for drunk sex. Again, the legislators don't want anyone to go to jail for sex. They want to put people in jail for rape. If 2 consenting adults enjoy drunk sex together no one cares. did you read the article? It was about making drunk sex illegal and prosecuting, most likely the guy, for engaging in it.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 20, 2015 17:41:11 GMT -5
I think wanting sex is a primitive thing and speaking is a more advanced brain function. Are you suggesting two people who are trashed drunk can't both want sex? The guy writing the article certainly thinks he can. Are you saying women can't? But the real problem was the legislators that want to put people in jail for drunk sex. Again, the legislators don't want anyone to go to jail for sex. They want to put people in jail for rape. If 2 consenting adults enjoy drunk sex together no one cares. But your statements earlier say that a drunk women doesn't have the ability to consent...therefore it would always be rape if she sobers up and regrets it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:42:58 GMT -5
Again, the legislators don't want anyone to go to jail for sex. They want to put people in jail for rape. If 2 consenting adults enjoy drunk sex together no one cares. did you read the article? It was about making drunk sex illegal and prosecuting, most likely the guy, for engaging in it. I know that is how he worded it but that's not how it goes. No one goes out looking for people that had drunk sex. The alleged victim has to make a complaint for law enforcement to get involved. If guys are just careful to be with women that want to have sex with them they will be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:45:13 GMT -5
Again, the legislators don't want anyone to go to jail for sex. They want to put people in jail for rape. If 2 consenting adults enjoy drunk sex together no one cares. But your statements earlier say that a drunk women doesn't have the ability to consent...therefore it would always be rape if she sobers up and regrets it Exactly! So men better take responsibility for their own safety and never let themselves be in that situation.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 20, 2015 17:47:01 GMT -5
But your statements earlier say that a drunk women doesn't have the ability to consent...therefore it would always be rape if she sobers up and regrets it Exactly! So men better take responsibility for their own safety and never let themselves be in that situation. I'm done arguing this point...you are all about men being responsible but not women. If the woman didn't getshit faced drunk there would be no debate. But she chooses to get drunk and it is up to a man to stop her from having sex? That is absolutely crazy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:47:21 GMT -5
So to you that description sounded like rape? "that time when you can't string a sentence together but somehow you can still have sex…" Was that you saying the description sounds like rape to you?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 20, 2015 17:47:50 GMT -5
did you read the article? It was about making drunk sex illegal and prosecuting, most likely the guy, for engaging in it. I know that is how he worded it but that's not how it goes. No one goes out looking for people that had drunk sex. The alleged victim has to make a complaint for law enforcement to get involved. If guys are just careful to be with women that want to have sex with them they will be fine. No they won't be...because the next Mornjng said drunk girl could have regrets and file rape charges
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:48:05 GMT -5
did you read the article? It was about making drunk sex illegal and prosecuting, most likely the guy, for engaging in it. I know that is how he worded it but that's not how it goes. No one goes out looking for people that had drunk sex. The alleged victim has to make a complaint for law enforcement to get involved. If guys are just careful to be with women that want to have sex with them they will be fine. From the article, "Sex that occurs while a partner is intoxicated or high is not consensual… it is sexual assault." Do you want the children you love to be liable to face legal consequences for sexual assault if they have sex with someone intoxicated? How he worded sounds like how it is meant to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:48:23 GMT -5
did you read the article? It was about making drunk sex illegal and prosecuting, most likely the guy, for engaging in it. I know that is how he worded it but that's not how it goes. No one goes out looking for people that had drunk sex. The alleged victim has to make a complaint for law enforcement to get involved. If guys are just careful to be with women that want to have sex with them they will be fine. Not if the girl decides afterwards she didn't want it. Then the guy is not fine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:49:44 GMT -5
So if both partners are drunk or high, by definition consent couldn't be given by either... So why is the guy responsible? And the girl is not...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:52:27 GMT -5
So if both partners are drunk or high, by definition consent couldn't be given by either... So why is the guy responsible? And the girl is not... It's ladies first. She gets to file rape charges first, then he gets to file rape charges against his prison bunk mate a few months later.
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Post by Opti on Mar 20, 2015 17:53:57 GMT -5
did you read the article? It was about making drunk sex illegal and prosecuting, most likely the guy, for engaging in it. I know that is how he worded it but that's not how it goes. No one goes out looking for people that had drunk sex. The alleged victim has to make a complaint for law enforcement to get involved. If guys are just careful to be with women that want to have sex with them they will be fine. I think this is the crux of the matter. Those who have fond memories or currently enjoy drunken sex have an unreasonable fear of getting charged with rape and being prosecuted.
If everyone is OK with what went down there is no issue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:57:26 GMT -5
Say the same thing about a woman and you're a victim blaming asshole. That's equality for you I guess... LOL I was specifically mimicking what is said about female victims.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 20, 2015 17:57:43 GMT -5
Say the same thing about a woman and you're a victim blaming asshole. That's equality for you I guess... That is equality in the eyes of a feminist...not every women buys into this bs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:59:23 GMT -5
I know that is how he worded it but that's not how it goes. No one goes out looking for people that had drunk sex. The alleged victim has to make a complaint for law enforcement to get involved. If guys are just careful to be with women that want to have sex with them they will be fine. I think this is the crux of the matter. Those who have fond memories or currently enjoy drunken sex have an unreasonable fear of getting charged with rape and being prosecuted.
If everyone is OK with what went down there is no issue.
It's not just fond memories. I have a few i'd rather not remember. I just don't think because they are something I regret, that I should absolve myself of responsibility for my own decisions by suggesting I was raped...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 18:00:34 GMT -5
Say the same thing about a woman and you're a victim blaming asshole. That's equality for you I guess... That is equality in the eyes of a feminist...not every women buys into this bs Why are you so against a man taking responsibility for his choices?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 18:01:00 GMT -5
Say the same thing about a woman and you're a victim blaming asshole. That's equality for you I guess... LOL I was specifically mimicking what is said about female victims. But it isn't bad advice, is it? Don't be having drunk sex with some woman you don't have trust in. And don't be smashed drunk around some guy you dont have trust in.
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Post by Opti on Mar 20, 2015 18:04:21 GMT -5
Again, the legislators don't want anyone to go to jail for sex. They want to put people in jail for rape. If 2 consenting adults enjoy drunk sex together no one cares. But your statements earlier say that a drunk women doesn't have the ability to consent...therefore it would always be rape if she sobers up and regrets it My opinion is a little different than Later's. It isn't rape if she or he sobers up and just feels 'damn I wish I hadn't done that'. At the very least it needs to be at the level of 'I wish I could have stopped him or her' but I was too drunk.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 20, 2015 18:05:46 GMT -5
That is equality in the eyes of a feminist...not every women buys into this bs Why are you so against a man taking responsibility for his choices? Because I don't think having sex with a drunk woman is a crime Why are you so against a woman taking responsibility for her choices? If she didn't get shy faced there would be no question about informed consent
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 18:10:34 GMT -5
But your statements earlier say that a drunk women doesn't have the ability to consent...therefore it would always be rape if she sobers up and regrets it My opinion is a little different than Later's. It isn't rape if she or he sobers up and just feels 'damn I wish I hadn't done that'. At the very least it needs to be at the level of 'I wish I could have stopped him or her' but I was too drunk.
I don't think it's rape if they sober and just regret what they did. I have repeatedly said that the intent was to stop those that use predatory tactics purposely getting someone drunk that they know would normally say no. But a lot of people seem very intent on denying that exists. Or if it does it is impossible to be taken advantage of that way. So for people that don't recognise it as possible, therefore not allowing us to make a distinction, it is just best they never have drunken sex.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 20, 2015 18:11:10 GMT -5
First you're agreeing with me, now you're echoing my thoughts exactly. Better watch out, before you know it you'll be looking at moving to California and voting Democrat. Lmao!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 18:14:32 GMT -5
My opinion is a little different than Later's. It isn't rape if she or he sobers up and just feels 'damn I wish I hadn't done that'. At the very least it needs to be at the level of 'I wish I could have stopped him or her' but I was too drunk.
I don't think it's rape if they sober and just regret what they did. I have repeatedly said that the intent was to stop those that use predatory tactics purposely getting someone drunk that they know would normally say no. But a lot of people seem very intent on denying that exists. Or if it does it is impossible to be taken advantage of that way. So for people that don't recognise it as possible, therefore not allowing us to make a distinction, it is just best they never have drunken sex. Explain to me how you intend to prove the distinction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 18:15:16 GMT -5
I'm sure it exists, but trying to police it is impossible. Unless you can prove he got you drunk with the intent of taking advantage, it's not rape. If you both get drunk together, and happen to hook up, nobody was raped. Pretending otherwise is stupid, and the way it's currently enforced, completely unfair to men based solely on their gender. Not enforcing it at all is completely unfair to women based solely on their gender.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Mar 20, 2015 18:19:22 GMT -5
Oh, for Christ sake, put a heavy duty chastity belt on your daughters. Really, this is getting bizarre. How many of you lovely women, have been raped or had a good friend raped...be truthful. I was assaulted by someone I worked for. Had to quit my job over it. Obviously.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Mar 20, 2015 18:21:41 GMT -5
Say the same thing about a woman and you're a victim blaming asshole. That's equality for you I guess... That is equality in the eyes of a feminist...not every women buys into this bs And that's part of the problem. One person here who claims to be a liberated feminist and supporter of equality for sexes (or more specifically, more equality/power for women), is the same person that's insinuating any unwanted sexual advance must be the fault of the male.
According to them, if a woman gets herself blotto drunk, it's the fault of the male - or the bartender - or the host making their drinks. It's never the fault of the person drinking for not cutting themselves off when they've reached their limit, or not stopping themselves from having "just one more" before even getting to the point of being wasted.
Having regrets the next morning for participating in drunken sex, or falling into bed with someone when your inhibitions are down, does not constitute being raped.
Rape is and always has been a crime of violence - not a crime of drunken lust.
If a person is of legal drinking age, they should be old enough/mature enough to be able to pace themselves.
And whether casual sex, or sexual assault, alcohol and/or drugs are not always involved.
Child rapists don't get their victims drunk - they prey on their vulnerabilities or make threats to harm a loved-one - instilling a fear of reprisal into their victim.
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Post by Opti on Mar 20, 2015 18:22:22 GMT -5
I think this is the crux of the matter. Those who have fond memories or currently enjoy drunken sex have an unreasonable fear of getting charged with rape and being prosecuted.
If everyone is OK with what went down there is no issue.
It's not just fond memories. I have a few i'd rather not remember. I just don't think because they are something I regret, that I should absolve myself of responsibility for my own decisions by suggesting I was raped... Regretted sex is not rape. I'm confused as to why you would absolve yourself of any responsibility for your decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 18:25:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't. Under the current definition women can. All they have to do is say they were too drunk to really consent so the guy raped them.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Mar 20, 2015 18:26:10 GMT -5
She said she doesn't think she should absolve herself for her own decisions, so maybe you read it wrong or misinterpreted.
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