According to this article nuclear expansion in Middle East

[deziloooooo]

already a done deal...participants are Pakistan and the Saudis and it is mentioned that Turkey may be involved too...While Iran has to actual develop the weapon , in the others case, Pakistan already belongs to the nuclear club, One just needs enough $ and be on the same wave length together and it seems one can purchase the item..off the shelf ??
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debka.com/article/24447/US-and-Israeli-intelligence-at-sharp-odds-on-Iran%E2%80%99s-breakout-time-to-a-bomb


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Saudi King Salman invites Pakistani PM Sharif for urgent visit

DEBKAfile March 8, 2015, 1:01 PM (IDT)

"The Saudi King has asked Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz to come urgently to Riyadh with assurances that the strategic accord between the two governments, and especially its secret nuclear dimension, is solid before the US and Iran finalize their nuclear deal. DEBKAfile: The Obama administration presents the deal it is shaping with Tehran as a preventive step against a Middle East nuclear race. However, the Saudis, rather than trust the Americans, have made advance nuclear arrangements of their own. Last year, Salman, then crown prince, visited Islamabad and gave Sharif a $1.5 billion grant toward the Pakistani nuclear program to secure a guarantee that a nuclear weapon would be made available to the Saudis as needed."


The last DEBKA Weekly #654 expanded on the secret aspects of the nuclear relations between Riyadh and Islamabad and revealed that the two governments were considering attaching Turkey to their bilateral nuclear pact.

[mroped]

It all started with us giving nukes to India as an "attachment" to some economical treaty.
At the time, Pakistan requested to be included in this private club but we, as the deciders, turned them down.
Smart, the Pakistani knocked on the Indian door and asked: can you spare one ?
And that's how they came in possession of the warheads. 
From there on they just had to be accepted as members of the club.

Now, seing that US and the others oppose so much the "proliferation of nucleardevices" while they keep making more for those in the club, nations got smart and ask those that are more open minded to a litle kick back/bribe

Buying something that was made by one of the nuclear powers is better somewhat because it guarantees them that the weapon is stable. As long as they have money, all is good!

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Mar 8, 2015 11:30:11 GMT -5 mroped said:

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Smart, the Pakistani knocked on the Indian door and asked: can you spare one ?
And that's how they came in possession of the warheads. ...

Since their independence as new nations in 1947, India and Pakistan have followed a path of mutual animosity. 

[mroped]

That is the official story billis!
Officialy everybody knows that Israel doesn't have nukes of any size. I tend not to believe that.

The two countries have been in continuos disputes over territories and what not since their independence. That is not however, gonna stop a politician from making some money.

[billisonboard]

Mar 8, 2015 13:01:31 GMT -5 mroped said:

That is the official story billis!
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Got it. Hey, do you happen to have a link to something unofficial?

[mroped]

Hmm! Funny!

If i could hack some records, assuming that they have been digitized, yeah! Why not?

Officialy, India started working on developing nuclear abilities in the 50s. They had(supposedly) come up with a roughed device in the 60s but didn't have a delivery container until 74 or somewhere in there.

In the early 90 they tested a British airplane(jaguar) as a delivery vehicle but didn't work so they looked at the French Miraje that finally did it.
That happened sometimes in the late 90s early 2000.

Now, in 1986-87(?) during a joint exercise amongst Warshaw Treaty members,  as part of deployment strategy, all NATO members were listed with their personnel capacities and ordinance.
India, Pakistan, Israel and South Africa(?) were on the list of "unofficial" possessors.
The answer to the obvious question (how in Gods name did they get that?) was : US provided India and India provided Pakistan against all recommendations. US also provided Israel but it is unknown how SA got it!

Now regardless how they obtained it, they have it and that is enough.
If India and Pakistan have it why can't Iran have it? Or Saudi Aarabia or any other country?
How does one determine who has the right and who doesn't?

[billisonboard]

Mar 8, 2015 13:54:17 GMT -5 mroped said:

Hmm! Funny!

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Wasn't attempting to be. I can find a large number of sources that claim Israel has nuclear weapons and nothing that really states they don't. I can find a large number of sources giving a description of how Pakistan developed nuclear weapons that do not include getting it from India but no hint anywhere of this India connection. So just looking for something beyond "politicans bad".

[deziloooooo]

Mar 8, 2015 11:30:11 GMT -5 mroped said:

It all started with us giving nukes to India as an "attachment" to some economical treaty.
At the time, Pakistan requested to be included in this private club but we, as the deciders, turned them down.
Smart, the Pakistani knocked on the Indian door and asked: can you spare one ?
And that's how they came in possession of the warheads. 
From there on they just had to be accepted as members of the club.

Now, seing that US and the others oppose so much the "proliferation of nucleardevices" while they keep making more for those in the club, nations got smart and ask those that are more open minded to a litle kick back/bribe

Buying something that was made by one of the nuclear powers is better somewhat because it guarantees them that the weapon is stable. As long as they have money, all is good!

I'm sorry but your explanation just doesn't jibe with known facts...We, USA, never gave India nukes ...we may have helped with some help toward   peaceful use of the science , though I haven't researched that , but gave India Nucs?? No and not even close...and India to give one to Pakistan...their mortal enemy..how many times have they gone at each other..over Kashmir and other sleights and the worlds fear on all of their little doings is they BOTH have the bombs and delivery systems...

The following is a bit detailed but the subject warrents detailing..suggest you spend the time doing some reading...


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

I also believe you stated that Israel really doesn't have any Nucs...There is plenty of information out there regarding that too..including the confessions of a Israeli who worked at their one Nuclear facility..{ given to them by the French and recently reworked and completely modernized..just for general information..}who told of their {Israeli} manufacturing of them plus photos of the facility proving all that ..believe  he went to prison or something..It's been suggested by experts that Israeli has 200/250 of these weapons in different modes..tacticle....warheads..designed to fit on missiles..planes...tomahawks from submarines..{they have three new , modern ones from Germany by the way with special construction to extra large torpedo tubes..only reason for is for tomahawk type missils..}....Naturally on this board the posts and information are really who knows  but to just put out information willy nilly...with out any at least some type of links just isn't supposed to be done..especially if it's put out as fact not ones opinion...Doing the willy nilly way just asks for long replies like this one...

[mroped]

Never said that Israel doesn't have nukes. The statement was that "officialy" they don't!

Officialy, India and Pakistan had developed their own nuclear weapons.

That is what I said!
And again, this was 1986-87 so things have changed since.

Yes, politically India and Pakistan are mortal enemies but if there is money to be made, who cares?
Unfortunately for me, there is no such proof so yes, was " nilly-willy" statement.

And suppose that the US gave India weaponry, do you think that whomever made that possible will write and publish and article about how was done? Or knowing that US belongs to the "five" that signed the " nonproliferation act" is now wise to admit that yeah, we done it?
There is much that the public doesn't need to know and should not know.

Just to put all at ease, I retract what I said and encourage all to stick with the Wikipedia searches. Contains information about wonderous things!
(apologies for sounding like a condenscending ass! It is not my intent!)