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Post by NancysSummerSip on Mar 9, 2015 15:07:59 GMT -5
You mean hitting rock bottom, I think. And hey, it's about time you did. But all that booze has a way of cushioning the fall.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 9, 2015 15:58:21 GMT -5
May I say something btw? I did not post that to have you all concern over my drinking!!!!!!
I had post it for fun. You people are just...whatever. I am going home. I need a drink. 4 today. Blame yourselves... Now you sound like a wife-batterer. "Look what you made me do!"
The ETOH abuse is all on you, Loony. You'll never get better if you won't admit to the problem.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 9, 2015 18:37:34 GMT -5
No, she's not fine. According to all the guidelines, moderate drinking is 7 drinks per week for women. She's drinking 21 a week. She's an alcoholic, and even admitted she needs 3 drinks a day to cope. I can understand why he'd want her in rehab.
WAIT. this is really important...
how many is moderate for men? i'm asking for a "friend"
I believe it's 14 drinks a week for men.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 9, 2015 18:38:40 GMT -5
Where did you find this person? Let me guess.... a recommendation from a friend? Did the guy have a yellow beak and make a noise like a duck? Are you calling him a quack because of his fashion sense?
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Post by tloonya on Mar 10, 2015 9:31:09 GMT -5
May I say something btw? I did not post that to have you all concern over my drinking!!!!!!
I had post it for fun. You people are just...whatever. I am going home. I need a drink. 4 today. Blame yourselves... Now you sound like a wife-batterer. "Look what you made me do!"
The ETOH abuse is all on you, Loony. You'll never get better if you won't admit to the problem.
Better than what? I don't need to get better. I need to socialize with people with sense of humor. Please, you making me depressed. Stop!
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Post by tloonya on Mar 10, 2015 9:32:50 GMT -5
You mean hitting rock bottom, I think. And hey, it's about time you did. But all that booze has a way of cushioning the fall. This is why Russians have not extinct yet.
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Post by tloonya on Mar 10, 2015 9:33:54 GMT -5
No, she's not fine. According to all the guidelines, moderate drinking is 7 drinks per week for women. She's drinking 21 a week. She's an alcoholic, and even admitted she needs 3 drinks a day to cope. I can understand why he'd want her in rehab.
WAIT. this is really important...
how many is moderate for men? i'm asking for a "friend"
See, 'friend' says 14. So I am wondering how about 16?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 9:36:53 GMT -5
Why is moderate drinking defined differently for men and women?
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Post by Ombud on Mar 10, 2015 9:38:10 GMT -5
Body mass
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Post by milee on Mar 10, 2015 9:40:22 GMT -5
Body mass but also because men and women process alcohol differently. Due to many things - from different fat content to different hormones.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 9:42:32 GMT -5
Not at all due to social stigma? <br><br>Id guess that long term drinkers also process differently? Or at least respond to amounts differently?
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Post by milee on Mar 10, 2015 10:03:18 GMT -5
Loony, I'm never quite sure what part of your posts are real vs. stirring the pot or joking, but just in case there's more reality here then I suspect...
Alcohol and addiction is a really tricky subject especially since once you have a problem, you're highly unlikely to have the capacity to be objective and realize for yourself that there's a problem. I'm not saying you have a problem, just pointing out that it's pretty tough to self-diagnose. Years ago, we were running with a very fun crowd and alcohol was always a big part of the mix. There were a couple of very crazy nights that I was joking about later and rolled my eyes when a doctor suggested that some of that might indicate I had - or was developing - a problem. I thought he was nuts and just had no sense of humor. (Riding around in your convertible wearing only a scarf is funny, right?) But at the same time, I looked around at our friend group and realized how many of them looked to me like they had a dependency and my behavior while with them wasn't any different; so did that mean maybe there was a problem? Did the fact that DH and I went from almost no drinking during the weekdays to sharing a bottle of wine each night with dinner also play into the pattern?
I didn't know - and still think that doc had no sense of humor - but decided to consciously cut down the alcohol to see what happened. Not drinking at all seemed too socially isolating and austere, so I just stopped serving wine (or any other alcohol) with the weekday dinners at home and then limited myself to 1 - 2 drinks when at parties or out with friends on weekends. It wasn't a big deal to cut down and that's still pretty much how we drink now. Maybe a little more on a hot sailing weekend but also now there are weeks at a time that we don't drink anything alcoholic at all. Still no big deal. But I do notice that the friends we used to party hard with that didn't cut back on the drinking have almost all progressed into what I'd consider dependency, unfortunately.
If there's a question about whether your drinking is a problem, why not see for yourself and cut it back for a little while? What harm would it cause? Just to gauge for yourself what's going on?
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Post by tloonya on Mar 10, 2015 10:20:42 GMT -5
I am larger than a lot of men!
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Post by tloonya on Mar 10, 2015 10:29:06 GMT -5
Loony, I'm never quite sure what part of your posts are real vs. stirring the pot or joking, but just in case there's more reality here then I suspect...
Alcohol and addiction is a really tricky subject especially since once you have a problem, you're highly unlikely to have the capacity to be objective and realize for yourself that there's a problem. I'm not saying you have a problem, just pointing out that it's pretty tough to self-diagnose. Years ago, we were running with a very fun crowd and alcohol was always a big part of the mix. There were a couple of very crazy nights that I was joking about later and rolled my eyes when a doctor suggested that some of that might indicate I had - or was developing - a problem. I thought he was nuts and just had no sense of humor. (Riding around in your convertible wearing only a scarf is funny, right?) But at the same time, I looked around at our friend group and realized how many of them looked to me like they had a dependency and my behavior while with them wasn't any different; so did that mean maybe there was a problem? Did the fact that DH and I went from almost no drinking during the weekdays to sharing a bottle of wine each night with dinner also play into the pattern?
I didn't know - and still think that doc had no sense of humor - but decided to consciously cut down the alcohol to see what happened. Not drinking at all seemed too socially isolating and austere, so I just stopped serving wine (or any other alcohol) with the weekday dinners at home and then limited myself to 1 - 2 drinks when at parties or out with friends on weekends. It wasn't a big deal to cut down and that's still pretty much how we drink now. Maybe a little more on a hot sailing weekend but also now there are weeks at a time that we don't drink anything alcoholic at all. Still no big deal. But I do notice that the friends we used to party hard with that didn't cut back on the drinking have almost all progressed into what I'd consider dependency, unfortunately.
If there's a question about whether your drinking is a problem, why not see for yourself and cut it back for a little while? What harm would it cause? Just to gauge for yourself what's going on? I appreciate your concern, millee. However I think I am ok because I see my friend who used to be my bestie is going downhill with dragon breath in the morning, puffy eyes, face and weight gain. She aged a lot last few years and her husband is developed a huge issue. I had seriously went to see someone because my customers making me so depressed, I do not want to come to the store anymore. I was hoping he will give me some pill to get the edge off so I can stop wanting to kill them all one by one. I was actually put 3 drinks per day 30 days per month as to see if he is going to pick up on it. I was hoping for fun conversation where I will tell him all about my nerves that must come down somehow and it is Xanax in the morning and vodka in the evening. Instead I've got a quack who was treating me like if I was mentally healthy alcoholic. He had not even asked me what my problem was. I am still laughing about it though...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 10, 2015 10:36:01 GMT -5
I was hoping for fun conversation where I will tell him all about my nerves that must come down somehow and it is Xanax in the morning and vodka in the evening
Gee I can't possibly see a reason why he wouldn't be laughing heartily with you and joking around with you. I mean lying about how much you drink is SO FUNNY.
He's not there to be your best buddy, he's there to treat your issues. He went by what you wrote on the paper and what you told him. It's not his fault you were making stuff up and joking around.
If you just want someone to talk to t hen I don't recommend a psychiatrist. Psychiatrists are mainly for prescribing medications to treat mental disorders they don't really do "talk therapy". If you just want to talk you need to find a psychologist/therapist.
You can find pill mill psychiatrists but most aren't just going to hand you a prescription for Xanax and tell you have a nice day.
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Post by milee on Mar 10, 2015 10:36:15 GMT -5
Yeah, work and family stress is tough.
And I also tend to try to joke around with docs about things I'm uncomfortable about. Turns out very few docs have a good sense of humor about these things, though... who knew?
Anyway, just a thought, but (again, not suggesting you have a problem, just sharing my experience) depression and other anxiety can unfortunately be made worse by alcohol. Add in the fact that alcohol can cause disturbed sleep patterns meaning you're less rested which further aggravates stress, it just all gets worse. So the drink can make you feel a little better for a short time but then actually make the feelings worse and cause the problems to be harder to treat. Bad cycle.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 10, 2015 11:07:11 GMT -5
Actually if I am understanding Loony's posts correctly (and that's debatable) then this guy did his job and did it well.
A non pill mill psychiatrist isn't going to prescribe somebody who drinks as much as Loony claimed she did anything.
Most anti-depressants cannot be mixed with alcohol. So giving someone who claims to drink 3 shots of vodka every day at dinner isn't smart. She could kill herself with the resulting side effects.
And a good psychiatrist isn't going to prescribe someone medication just b/c they show up looking for it. That's pill mill behavior, he's going to want her diagnosed before handing out anything.
So while his appearance wasn't great and it doesn't sound like he had excellent bed side manner, if Loony put down on the forms w at she did and said what she did then she got exactly what she deserved out of the session.
He couldn't have known that she was joking.
If she actually wants help then she needs to treat it seriously and not see if the doctor can pick up that she's joking about vodka shots and wanting Xanax.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 10, 2015 11:11:52 GMT -5
Are you calling him a quack because of his fashion sense? yes, and tlooney may have an issue. I will say that his outfit doesn't seem very professional and would cause me to perhaps get another opinion, if, for no other reason, that she doesn't respect him, so won't benefit from therapy with him I have a sneaking suspicion that Loony wouldn't respect any doctor unless he agreed to give her pills. The short pants and tube socks are just an excuse. If he was wearing a pink tutu but gave her what she wanted, he'd be the Best Doctor in the World.
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Post by giramomma on Mar 10, 2015 12:33:10 GMT -5
Actually if I am understanding Loony's posts correctly (and that's debatable) then this guy did his job and did it well.
A non pill mill psychiatrist isn't going to prescribe somebody who drinks as much as Loony claimed she did anything.
Most anti-depressants cannot be mixed with alcohol. So giving someone who claims to drink 3 shots of vodka every day at dinner isn't smart. She could kill herself with the resulting side effects.
And a good psychiatrist isn't going to prescribe someone medication just b/c they show up looking for it. That's pill mill behavior, he's going to want her diagnosed before handing out anything.
So while his appearance wasn't great and it doesn't sound like he had excellent bed side manner, if Loony put down on the forms w at she did and said what she did then she got exactly what she deserved out of the session.
He couldn't have known that she was joking.
If she actually wants help then she needs to treat it seriously and not see if the doctor can pick up that she's joking about vodka shots and wanting Xanax. And, I'm also surprised that only a psychiatrist can prescribe Xanax. I got a script for an anti-anxiety med from the nurse that specialized in my infertility issues.. And, perhaps, it was a poor match. Not all doctors will prescribe meds. Maybe you got a CBT therapist...Their first instinct is to help you change your behavior, not pop pills.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Mar 10, 2015 15:06:27 GMT -5
I'm not saying there's a higher percentage of alcoholism in Russia, but if you need 3 shots on a daily basis to get through dinner, you have a problem. back to the OP's question: can she file a complaint? Yes but it's not going to be received as she thinks because the reviewing panel will see needing alcohol to get through family dinner on a daily basis and think that there's something bizarre about that. like the guy hit a raw nerve instead of just being a bad dresser. The Russian immigrates I know don't drink on a daily basis. That's an old preconceived notion (more commonly called prejudice) If you're trying to say I said russian all drink daily, you are very incorrect. I said they choose vodka rather than wine. If someone said they had wine with dinner, no one would bat an eye. Pom is always on about her wine, but no one is dxing her....LOL! I see you trying to throw me under the bus, TBird! And before I've had my 3 shots of wine, no less! I oughta rip your wings off and beat you with them for that! I'm really grouchy without my 3 shots of wine before I post.
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