Green Eyed Lady
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 3, 2015 12:59:19 GMT -5
Sure you could say the same thing about Iragi soldiers. They probably didn't feel guilty either. And they are probably normal also.
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AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 3, 2015 14:46:18 GMT -5
So why no controversy over The Hurt Locker, Zero Dark thirty, Jarhead, and all of the other war movies?
I think I need to see it before I comment further- I have heard it attempts to link 9/11 and Iraq which is a valid criticism but other than that it isn't really political is it- it is about one person and the job they had- and how it affected him.
You have a point though-
Chris Hedges, in an article titled "Killing Ragheads for Jesus," wrote that "“American Sniper” lionizes the most despicable aspects of U.S. society—the gun culture, the blind adoration of the military, the belief that we have an innate right as a “Christian” nation to exterminate the “lesser breeds” of the earth, a grotesque hypermasculinity that banishes compassion and pity, a denial of inconvenient facts and historical truth, and a belittling of critical thinking and artistic expression. Many Americans, especially white Americans trapped in a stagnant economy and a dysfunctional political system, yearn for the supposed moral renewal and rigid, militarized control the movie venerates."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Sniper_(film)_controversies
Quite a bashing from the left. I guess some people might see what they want- so again I will have to wait and see it to make a call. If it wasn't for Clint and the chair they might have just let this go.
Well, you sort of answered your own question there.
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Post by mroped on Feb 3, 2015 15:12:47 GMT -5
It is one thing to kill someone that is directly treatening you or your family and a different thing when you decide to kill somebody preemptively on the off chance that he/she might be a treat to you or your family/team. Unless Ofcourse you are Tom Cruise in a movie with COGs that determine the future danger for you!
I am not saying that he had to be in confessional every day of his life or that nightmares should be a given and he should be crying at night and what not but not to feel anything at all...that's just wrong! Im prety sure that from his 160 registered kills there was at least one that wasn't necessary yet he made the decision to pull the trigger and was absolutely fine with it. Playing God through a lense is not an easy thing!
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 3, 2015 18:20:26 GMT -5
I have not seen this movie yet- although I want to. I can't think of too many movies I didn't like with Eastwood acting or directing.
What I want to know is what set it off- and why the hell Fox is trumpeting the box office performance as some sort of comment on politics. It's a movie. That's it.
Want to make political hay about it then go after the author of the book. There are some real issues there.
This is how. Aren't the crosshairs adorable? Evidently, free speech is only for speech you agree with. Otherwise, you should be shot.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2015 19:43:34 GMT -5
I agree that one probably couldn't be perfectly detached, but I would definitely disagree when you say that a normal person has to feel guilt. I don't think that's true at all. Why would one feel guilty for killing someone who was intent on harming him or his family? I would imagine a whole lot of feelings emerge, but I certainly don't think guilt has to be one of them for a person to me "normal". It's been said that one of the main jobs of Sergeants .....Drill Instructors in the Army , Marines ..is to teach young men that it is all OK to kill other young men who are on the other side...For those who may have served and fell under the instruction of those drill instructors and Sergeants , if you think back and can remember ...from the brief instruction with the bayonet when the cry that was to be yelled out as one went through the different drills..KILL..KILL...to the firing ranges with the pop up targets shaped in human form... you might have to agree with that supposed job description.... Possible they do it differently today..after all it is the volunteer armed forces..we are in the age of 21st century..moving closer to Captain Curt ..Spock...Data...but I am thinking a lot of the old is still in the education of the new and the today...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2015 20:02:00 GMT -5
I just saw..in fact will be leaving to return right after posting this ..the film "fury"..the new WW War movie with Brad Pitt..{they aged him very well to be a grizzled, veteran WW2 sergeant in command of a tank.. It is a very well made movie..probably as accurate a depiction of what it was actually like at that time in Europe in the closing days of the war as US troops were moving through Europe..especially Germany...Seemed there were a lot of veterans still there..this crew had been through Africa..then Sicely, Italy and then Normandy too..second day of the invasion and still going strong...very unusual...but possible.. Well acted ...realistically...ending?...well we'll say why not, could have happened........highly recommend it if one wants to get a feel of what some of our grand and even great granddads went through...what being in combat is really like...actually in some ways even grittier then "Saving Private Ryan.." For any who might feel that war atrocitys were done by specific type of troops...say Waffen SS on the German side....some interesting tapes came to light not that long ago that the Brits made of regular German POW's who they had captured as they privately discussed what ever among them selves.. www.warhistoryonline.com/featured-article/darkest-atrocities-of-the-nazis-laid-bare-in-the-secretly-recorded-conversations-of-german-prisoners-of-war.html#at_pco=smlre-1.0&at_si=54d1710015765eaf&at_ab=per-4&at_pos=1&at_tot=4
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 3, 2015 20:11:32 GMT -5
I have not seen this movie yet- although I want to. I can't think of too many movies I didn't like with Eastwood acting or directing.
What I want to know is what set it off- and why the hell Fox is trumpeting the box office performance as some sort of comment on politics. It's a movie. That's it.
Want to make political hay about it then go after the author of the book. There are some real issues there.
This is how. Aren't the crosshairs adorable? Evidently, free speech is only for speech you agree with. Otherwise, you should be shot.
Weren't you the one talking about the knee-slappin' funny Steven Colbert skit where people could sign up to shoot members of the Dallas Safari Club? Or was then Tenn? Either way, just think of Michael Moore as a member of the DSC and this becomes knee-slappin' funny.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 3, 2015 20:22:31 GMT -5
This is how. Aren't the crosshairs adorable? Evidently, free speech is only for speech you agree with. Otherwise, you should be shot.
Weren't you the one talking about the knee-slappin' funny Steven Colbert skit where people could sign up to shoot members of the Dallas Safari Club? Or was then Tenn? Either way, just think of Michael Moore as a member of the DSC and this becomes knee-slappin' funny. I have no idea what you're talking about. Wasn't me.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2015 20:36:04 GMT -5
This is how. Aren't the crosshairs adorable? Evidently, free speech is only for speech you agree with. Otherwise, you should be shot.
Weren't you the one talking about the knee-slappin' funny Steven Colbert skit where people could sign up to shoot members of the Dallas Safari Club? Or was then Tenn? Either way, just think of Michael Moore as a member of the DSC and this becomes knee-slappin' funny. Seriously? I never even watched the guy's show.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 3, 2015 20:44:18 GMT -5
Is the Dallas Safari Club the one which shoots endangered animals, like black rhinos? How can you even compare the two? Evidently, free speech in the USA is endangered as well, if sows like Palin can imply it's OK to shoot Michael Moore, because she doesn't agree with him.
(And before you take offense at the word "sow", that's what a mama grizzly is called. I suppose bitch would be fitting as well, as that what female pit bulls are called...... with or without lipstick.)
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 3, 2015 21:18:38 GMT -5
In a small defense of Moore- having a family member killed by a sniper might tend to cause some bias.
I doubt any US troops in the field getting picked of by enemy snipers had a high opinion of them either. It is all perspective.
A sniper is no more a hero than any other infantryman doing a specific job. I don't buy into this automatic hero status.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 3, 2015 21:19:06 GMT -5
Palin loves those crosshairs though:
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 3, 2015 23:12:35 GMT -5
In a small defense of Moore- having a family member killed by a sniper might tend to cause some bias.
I doubt any US troops in the field getting picked of by enemy snipers had a high opinion of them either. It is all perspective.
A sniper is no more a hero than any other infantryman doing a specific job. I don't buy into this automatic hero status.
Honestly, EVT, you are the only one I see here going on and on about some "hero" status. Without reading back, I believe everyone here who has actually seen the movie has said they didn't feel he was being portrayed as some sort of hero. If you don't see him as someone exceptional...someone deserving of honors...whatever....don't. I'm sure you'll find lots of people who agree with you. You'll find lots who don't. You are right. It's all a matter of perspective.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 3, 2015 23:32:41 GMT -5
In a small defense of Moore- having a family member killed by a sniper might tend to cause some bias.
I doubt any US troops in the field getting picked of by enemy snipers had a high opinion of them either. It is all perspective.
A sniper is no more a hero than any other infantryman doing a specific job. I don't buy into this automatic hero status.
Honestly, EVT, you are the only one I see here going on and on about some "hero" status. Without reading back, I believe everyone here who has actually seen the movie has said they didn't feel he was being portrayed as some sort of hero. If you don't see him as someone exceptional...someone deserving of honors...whatever....don't. I'm sure you'll find lots of people who agree with you. You'll find lots who don't. You are right. It's all a matter of perspective. I am going on about it because the governor of TX decided to designate a Chris Kyle day.
I think the guy is like a lot of people good and bad- and while the bad is fucking revolting to me, he did a lot of good as well- he did a lot of charity work and tried to help other vets.
But as I said before- Texas has many sons that died in many wars, many with the Medal of Honor, and not a fucking one of them got a day in their honor- but one popular movie and a soldier that made it home moved ahead in the line because of partisan bullshit. Just like the vaccine crap- he is appealing to the smallest contingent of the base that sees this movie as nothing more than 'America- fuck yeah' and a proper response to 9/11 since Iraq did it and all.....It is offensive to me.
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