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Post by billisonboard on Jan 24, 2015 1:45:22 GMT -5
He was clearly within his rights under the law of the land to be carrying. But was he safer because he was carrying? The facts seem to suggest possibly not. He was assaulted even though he was armed. The gun was taken from him but fortunately not used on him. Granted, there is no way to know that he would not have been kidnapped/raped/murdered if he had entered that Walmart unarmed thus making that simple assault the best outcome possible. But I doubt it.
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Post by jkapp on Jan 24, 2015 6:50:17 GMT -5
Concealed properly this would not have happened.
Some people get nervous- can you blame them when people DO shoot people in Walmart, food courts at the mall, in hospitals, etc?
The smart thing to do when you suspect someone may be up to no good would be to call the police and maybe keep an eye on the guy. Interesting statement...what if you replaced a gun-carrying individual with a black individual in your above scenario?
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Post by jkapp on Jan 24, 2015 6:52:15 GMT -5
Only because he tackled the guy. No one is going to be arrested for calling the police reporting a man with a gun. Yet when someone does call the police, and the police shoot the person, the police are then villified (ala the kid who was waving around a bb gun in the park).
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 24, 2015 10:11:43 GMT -5
You're right: Call the police and report what you observe and let them sort it out. I fail to see a situation where tackling a person who is otherwise not behaving suspiciously for having not properly concealed their weapon. If you absolutely must confront them, just let them know- I can see that you're carrying a weapon, you need to conceal it. I live in Florida, it's tough because we don't typically have enough clothes on down here to properly conceal a weapon. I've said something to people before- just to let them know. One guy showed me a badge, and said thanks, but I don't have to conceal it. Fair enough. Just trying to help. Imagine if I'd decided he needed to be tackled and restrained? Yes, just like you did when you blasted the senior citizen with the coke-bottle glasses with your marine air horn.
Oh, wait......
You mean just like I found a non-violent way to address my concerns? The actual comparison would be if I ran her off the road and called the police on her.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 24, 2015 10:12:26 GMT -5
He was clearly within his rights under the law of the land to be carrying. But was he safer because he was carrying? The facts seem to suggest possibly not. He was assaulted even though he was armed. The gun was taken from him but fortunately not used on him. Granted, there is no way to know that he would not have been kidnapped/raped/murdered if he had entered that Walmart unarmed thus making that simple assault the best outcome possible. But I doubt it. He was mobbed. Tough to defend against that.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 24, 2015 10:14:54 GMT -5
I would suggest that the law abiding gun owner needs to work on his situational awareness. Anyone can be surprised, and you can't protect against everything, but someone running up on you is something you should be able to detect and respond to.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 24, 2015 10:26:58 GMT -5
If somebody seen his weapon that tells me that it wasn't concealed very well! Now, the guy tackling him...that's another story! He just wanted front page news with his face. I don't see the reason for which he should be charged with assault and battery but hey...maybe next time he won't do it. Actually according to the story, the assailant saw the one tackled putting his fire arm on his person as he was getting out of his automobile..then followed him to the store and then attacked him as soon a he went through the stores door ...hope the fine and his cost of hiring a lawyer are a few bucks.. Actually I have on a few occasions noticed people carrying concealed..both times at a restaurant..I still get a bit uncomfortable when I see it..don't know why but just do...not afraid of firearms, have used them in a seriouse way in my life and even carried myself when I use to do over nights hikes trailing in New England...but now not 100% comfortable when I spot em....rarely I agree..Guess it's my age...
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 24, 2015 10:34:26 GMT -5
Concealed properly this would not have happened.
Some people get nervous- can you blame them when people DO shoot people in Walmart, food courts at the mall, in hospitals, etc?
The smart thing to do when you suspect someone may be up to no good would be to call the police and maybe keep an eye on the guy. You're right: Call the police and report what you observe and let them sort it out. I fail to see a situation where tackling a person who is otherwise not behaving suspiciously for having not properly concealed their weapon. If you absolutely must confront them, just let them know- I can see that you're carrying a weapon, you need to conceal it. I live in Florida, it's tough because we don't typically have enough clothes on down here to properly conceal a weapon. I've said something to people before- just to let them know. One guy showed me a badge, and said thanks, but I don't have to conceal it. Fair enough. Just trying to help. Imagine if I'd decided he needed to be tackled and restrained? Lordy Paul...why would you even butt in to some one and mention it...I think you just love to push it and actually hope you get into something with some one just so you..I believe you do carry if I remember ..I hope that is not true but to go out of your way and bring it up instead of just ignore and go about your business.. Possible you looking to do a little "You show me yours..{gun} ..I'll show you mine..{gun}.." [ wanted to clarify...boys being boys..]
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 24, 2015 11:03:48 GMT -5
If somebody seen his weapon that tells me that it wasn't concealed very well! Now, the guy tackling him...that's another story! He just wanted front page news with his face. I don't see the reason for which he should be charged with assault and battery but hey...maybe next time he won't do it. Actually according to the story, the assailant saw the one tackled putting his fire arm on his person as he was getting out of his automobile..then followed him to the store and then attacked him as soon a he went through the stores door ...hope the fine and his cost of hiring a lawyer are a few bucks.. Actually I have on a few occasions noticed people carrying concealed..both times at a restaurant..I still get a bit uncomfortable when I see it..don't know why but just do...not afraid of firearms, have used them in a seriouse way in my life and even carried myself when I use to do over nights hikes trailing in New England...but now not 100% comfortable when I spot em....rarely I agree..Guess it's my age... You are uncomfortable because like an increasing number of Americans, you have been brainwashed and pre-programmed to have an irrational fear of guns. You're far more likely to die on your way home from the parking lot- but as I've learned on these boards, nobody really gives a shit what people do behind the wheel of a car. In fact, if I was going to kill someone- I'd find a way to do it "accidentally" with a car.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 24, 2015 11:50:49 GMT -5
He was clearly within his rights under the law of the land to be carrying. But was he safer because he was carrying? The facts seem to suggest possibly not. He was assaulted even though he was armed. The gun was taken from him but fortunately not used on him. Granted, there is no way to know that he would not have been kidnapped/raped/murdered if he had entered that Walmart unarmed thus making that simple assault the best outcome possible. But I doubt it. He was mobbed. Tough to defend against that. I have read it here that an armed society is a polite society. He was armed. Why weren't they polite?
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 24, 2015 21:35:17 GMT -5
Actually according to the story, the assailant saw the one tackled putting his fire arm on his person as he was getting out of his automobile..then followed him to the store and then attacked him as soon a he went through the stores door ...hope the fine and his cost of hiring a lawyer are a few bucks.. Actually I have on a few occasions noticed people carrying concealed..both times at a restaurant..I still get a bit uncomfortable when I see it..don't know why but just do...not afraid of firearms, have used them in a seriouse way in my life and even carried myself when I use to do over nights hikes trailing in New England...but now not 100% comfortable when I spot em....rarely I agree..Guess it's my age... You are uncomfortable because like an increasing number of Americans, you have been brainwashed and pre-programmed to have an irrational fear of guns. You're far more likely to die on your way home from the parking lot- but as I've learned on these boards, nobody really gives a shit what people do behind the wheel of a car. In fact, if I was going to kill someone- I'd find a way to do it "accidentally" with a car. I don't have an irrational fear of guns, but people that open carry or carry sloppy make me uncomfortable. I have a very rational fear of people and idiots
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 25, 2015 8:50:25 GMT -5
Concealed means exactly that. No one should know you're carrying. Another thing my instructor said was to not go in an area where you might need a gun. If you think shopping in Walmart warrants you carrying, don't shop there. It is harder in warm climate to conceal carry. It's also harder if you aren't heavy. Deal with it.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 25, 2015 11:34:13 GMT -5
Correct- and I'm saying the person that attacked him should be up on charges of violating the gun owner's civil rights and/or a hate crime. You keep repeating the same thing. The tackler has been arrested for battery. People violating someone's civil rights should be charged with a crime. So that is taken care of. What more do you want? What basis do you have for a hate crime charge? If it is true that the tackler is white and the person carrying the gun is black, you might have a hate crime based upon race. But was it white bias toward blacks or was the white guy thinking the black guy might have wanted to rob the store? Interesting question concerning "white bias". But in this country, white bias is considered "racist". Just be happy police were called and did not shoot a gun toting black man who was armed, referred to as, walking while black. On this board, that has to be considered progress, and a win/win in police operations.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 25, 2015 11:41:11 GMT -5
... Just be happy police were called and did not shoot a gun toting black man who was armed, ... He wasn't armed by the time the police got there.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 25, 2015 11:42:21 GMT -5
You keep repeating the same thing. The tackler has been arrested for battery. People violating someone's civil rights should be charged with a crime. So that is taken care of. What more do you want? What basis do you have for a hate crime charge? If it is true that the tackler is white and the person carrying the gun is black, you might have a hate crime based upon race. But was it white bias toward blacks or was the white guy thinking the black guy might have wanted to rob the store? Interesting question concerning "white bias". But in this country, white bias is considered "racist". Just be happy police were called and did not shoot a gun toting black man who was armed, referred to as, walking while black. On this board, that has to be considered progress, and a win/win in police operations.
Nothing is slipping by you this A.M., VB. You were able to put two and two together. Racism and another word for racism, white bias.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 26, 2015 14:53:25 GMT -5
He was mobbed. Tough to defend against that. I have read it here that an armed society is a polite society. He was armed. Why weren't they polite? Because he's stupid. The judge will educate him soon enough.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 26, 2015 14:56:45 GMT -5
That is PRECISELY what I'm saying. Anytime a black person is attacked, it's AUTOMATICALLY a hate crime. Well, unless the reason he was attacked doesn't conform to the left wing template. It's curious to me that race was NEVER an issue here- where frankly, it may well have been.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 26, 2015 15:25:42 GMT -5
That is PRECISELY what I'm saying. Anytime a black person is attacked, it's AUTOMATICALLY a hate crime. Well, unless the reason he was attacked doesn't conform to the left wing template. It's curious to me that race was NEVER an issue here- where frankly, it may well have been. Where is Al Sharpton on this news? Why hasn't he demanded AG Holder do an immediate investigation of a black man being attacked by a white man? Why hasn't the President invited both men for a beer at the White House?
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 26, 2015 15:30:44 GMT -5
I have read it here that an armed society is a polite society. He was armed. Why weren't they polite? Because he's stupid. The judge will educate him soon enough. Yes, there are plenty of stupid people. Not sure how that changes with more or less people armed.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 26, 2015 15:42:56 GMT -5
Because he's stupid. The judge will educate him soon enough. Yes, there are plenty of stupid people. Not sure how that changes with more or less people armed. The data are in. It doesn't change the number of stupid people, but it sure impacts the number of stupid people willing to behave violently. The Homicide rate in the US isn't even 50th in the world, in fact it's not even 100th place. While we occupy the the #1 spot in personal firearm ownership, we fall in the 111th spot for homicides. And that, mind you, is taking into consideration that our liberal, gun control meccas which lead the nation in violent crime, drag us UP to the 111th spot. As I've said before in another thread, there's a very nice video that nobody has time to watch which sources all of this information, and there's this one: [div][/div] <script>(function(d, s, id) { var js, fjs = d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0]; if (d.getElementById(id)) return; js = d.createElement(s); js.id = id; js.src = "//connect.facebook.net/en_US/all.js#xfbml=1"; fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js, fjs); }(document, 'script', 'facebook-jssdk'));</script> [div][div][a href="https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=806713486044197"]Post[/a] by [a href="https://www.facebook.com/colddeadhands"]Cold Dead Hands[/a].[/div][/div]
and here's the other one:
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 26, 2015 15:43:33 GMT -5
So much for embedding code. How does that work anyway? It said paste code here.
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