AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 22, 2015 9:30:47 GMT -5
Rule #1: ALL guns are loaded. Rule #2: Guns are NOT toys. Rule #3: NEVER point a gun at someone. My kids, one of them who is 5, can recite these rules by rote. I think in the case of a grandparent, they've got to be aware of what kind of kids they've raised, what kind of people those kids have married, and how they're raising their kids. I never forget that MY kids know the rules, but I never assume other people's kids know shit. Rule #4: Children can not be counted on to follow rules- including yours
While it is smart to teach these rules to any child- they are not a substitute for responsible gun ownership. A gun in a nightstand drawer, on a shelf, in a headboard, in a glove compartment, in a purse, etc. is not a secured weapon.
I assume you agree.
Absolutely. Especially where kids are concerned. However, along the lines of you cannot count on kids to follow rules, you never know where they're going to be, or if they'll come across a weapon. Rather than ignoring the fact that they're going to encounter these situations, I find it is better to be proactive and at least indoctrinate them into the rules so that hopefully they do the right thing if and when they're in that situation. Nothing I do is fool proof. I just like to feel like I'm giving it the old college try.
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Post by tractor on Jan 22, 2015 10:02:42 GMT -5
I have a cpl but do not carry on a regular basis, mainly because we are not allowed to carry at work. I tend to interact with pissed off people on a regular basis, but no one has shot me yet.
My boys are teenagers now, but even so we keep our guns locked in a safe, I don't need any of their friends wanting to check a weapon out, only to have it go off. Most are unloaded anyway, but you never know.
There was another shooting in the news this morning, young boy found loaded gun in glovebox, shot himself. While I think these things get more press nowadays, I suspect they have been going on for generations.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 22, 2015 10:33:38 GMT -5
... I don't need any of their friends wanting to check a weapon out, only to have it go off. ... Do you mean "only to have them shot it, potentially wounding or killing themselves or others" or do you actually mean that you have weapons that will "go of" all on their own? Word choice is significant. "Your Honor, the gun did just go off. It was an accident" is a great excuse.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 22, 2015 12:33:13 GMT -5
They have proved time and time again that this indoctrination does not work. They had tested children who were indoctrinated at home, given more warnings just before class (where they planted a gun) and watched as they...guess what?.....played with the gun. Despite repeated warnings to not touch it and tell an adult, they played with the gun. The parents were shocked when they saw the footage. They went from "My little Johnny would always tell an adult", to "OMG! I can't believe he was playing with it!! After everything I taught him!"
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 1, 2015 15:41:27 GMT -5
Not making another thread but:
www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article8901572.html
A 3-year-old boy found a handgun in his mother’s purse and fired just one shot that wounded both his parents at an Albuquerque motel on Saturday, police said.
According to investigators, the toddler apparently reached for an iPod but found the loaded weapon. Police believe the shooting to be accidental.
BUT:
“This case will be forwarded to the DA’s office and pending charges of felony criminal negligence will be reviewed on both parents,” Albuquerque police Simon Drobik spokesman said.
I wonder if it is a state thing or is it just:
The Albuquerque Journal reports that the family was living in a room at the America’s Best Value Inn where the shooting occurred.
Versus at grandpa's house in the country where the cops do nothing.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Feb 1, 2015 16:25:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 20:12:32 GMT -5
I'm an avid proponent of the Second Amendment.
That said... The person responsible for a gun's discharge is the registered owner of the gun. Period. If it's fired by someone else punish them TOO (if they are old enough to understand what they did). Ultimately though, at the very least, punish the gun owner.
The ONLY exception to this should be, guns that have been stolen AND REPORTED AS STOLEN, that were stored in some sort of locked storage, or physically taken from the owner under some form of threat.
If you want to own a gun, be responsible for it's ownership.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 2, 2015 2:08:10 GMT -5
I agree. I would also argue for the logical extension of that idea. All guns should be registered, and have a ballistics fingerprint on file (assuming the process could be made cheaper and more efficient.)
Any gun owner who loses a gun or has one stolen must report it as missing. They would then lose their right to own guns for a period of time, but would not be responsible for any crime committed with that gun. If they do not report it, they would lose their rights permanently. The right to own a gun carries with it a tremendous responsibility. The absolute minimum requirement should be to keep it secure from other persons who should not have access to it. If one cannot do at least that much, do they really deserve the right to own a gun?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 2:52:35 GMT -5
Even the most careful person can have something stolen from them. I would not agree to losing one's rights because of theft or otherwise unwillingly removed from them... as long as they DID report it.
If they didn't report it? I've got no qualms with them losing their rights permanently.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 2, 2015 3:39:00 GMT -5
It would open up another "slippery slope" though. One could transfer a gun to someone not legally allowed, claim it lost or stolen, and not have any consequences. That's bad too. At least by being responsible and reporting it they would only lose those rights for a period of time. And it would be further impetus to really be responsible with their guns the next time they availed themselves of that right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 4:21:34 GMT -5
It would open up another "slippery slope" though. One could transfer a gun to someone not legally allowed, claim it lost or stolen, and not have any consequences. That's bad too. At least by being responsible and reporting it they would only lose those rights for a period of time. And it would be further impetus to really be responsible with their guns the next time they availed themselves of that right. So... because "Cousin Jim" could steal my gun, if unknown perp does it instead... I should still lose my right (even for a little while) anyway... even if I did everything right? NO. I believe your suggestion is the one that would be starting the "slippery slope" with your "well it could be..."
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Post by tallguy on Feb 2, 2015 10:26:54 GMT -5
I was actually talking about a more intentional act of transfer to bypass current law and background checks, but still, if you cannot keep your gun secure from those who should not have access to it I would have difficulty describing you as a responsible gun owner.
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