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Post by mmhmm on Jan 16, 2015 23:46:39 GMT -5
Does anyone with two communicating brain cells (excluding the press, for obvious reasons) actually give a flip what Sharpton says, or does? Really?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 23:55:44 GMT -5
Does anyone with two communicating brain cells (excluding the press, for obvious reasons) actually give a flip what Sharpton says, or does? Really? Not that I know of... but they may care who else believes the crap he spouts, and what they do BECAUSE of that belief.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 17, 2015 0:54:19 GMT -5
It is entirely possible that the race hustling industry jumped the shark with #Ferguson and the ensuing and ongoing violence, and silly rhetoric and the academy simply didn't have the attention span, or patience to listen to Spike Lee or Oprah ramble on for an hour on the topic? I guess George Soros can try to buy revolution with $33 million but can't even conjure an Oscar. Race hustling industry? You mean Fox News, Rush, Hannity, Limbaugh, Boortz, Levine, Savage, etc. etc. ?
The constant stories of angry and scary black people shooting whitey? The current right wing meme? I guess Murdoch has more pull than Soros
The knock out game, the war on Christmas, the war on Christianity, the oppression of the white people Give me a fucking break! The GOP jumped the shark with Ronnie Raygun- the man that embodied everything you don't stand for- or maybe you do now- who the fuck knows with you people. That's right- YOU PEOPLE. You know who you are.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 17, 2015 4:26:13 GMT -5
*chuckle* Because I speak to someone, or treat someone politely, it doesn't follow I listen to and take seriously everything that person says. As to rallying behind a cause, it could just as well be because I'm in favor of the cause as that I'm in favor of the leader(s). I may believe the leaders to be full of excrement. That excrement doesn't need to fall on the cause, however.
That said, I'd never wish to wish to mobilize 10 people to follow me, Virgil. They need to be following their own hearts, and minds, and beliefs. These people are only as important as we let them be. To many of them, I don't choose to grant power. They're simply not up to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 4:27:38 GMT -5
Does anyone with two communicating brain cells (excluding the press, for obvious reasons) actually give a flip what Sharpton says, or does? Really? What about some friends in high places? Do they qualify as not having two communicating brain cells? Is that a trick question? ETA: and it's also that part that worries me.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 17, 2015 5:10:04 GMT -5
*chuckle* Because I speak to someone, or treat someone politely, it doesn't follow I listen to and take seriously everything that person says. As to rallying behind a cause, it could just as well be because I'm in favor of the cause as that I'm in favor of the leader(s). I may believe the leaders to be full of excrement. That excrement doesn't need to fall on the cause, however. That said, I'd never wish to wish to mobilize 10 people to follow me, Virgil. They need to be following their own hearts, and minds, and beliefs. These people are only as important as we let them be. To many of them, I don't choose to grant power. They're simply not up to it. If the leader represents the cause, what difference does it make if these people are in favour of the cause or in favour of the leader? The bottom line is that they and hundreds of thousands more besides are willing to march behind this man chanting his slogans in the marches he organizes. The US President and US Attorney General take his calls, as do many other other high-ranking politicians and officials. He has a national following and his views aren't inconsequential. I don't like publicizing his views any more than you do, but there's definitely a multitude who care what he has to say. It's fair to say that he can even steer national opinion to a degree. Charismatic leaders can do that. Moreover, I expect his influence will only continue to grow with time. Even with this Oscar nominations nonsense, there's a disquieting number of minority Americans out there ingesting Mr. Sharpton's asinine theories about "white privilege" and accepting his thesis that the US Oscars are yet more proof of that fact. I don't think they're so much brainless as they are deceived. Pulled a little bit closer towards Mr. Sharpton's "particular" way of seeing things. Regardless, they definitely "give a flip" about what he has to say. We ignore that fact at our peril.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 17, 2015 5:56:02 GMT -5
I don't know what difference it makes to you, Virgil. I don't tend to follow leaders (charismatic, or not) and I don't tend to assume others do. I'm sure some do. However, because I decide to march (or, whatever) for a cause does not necessarily mean (to me) I'm following the leader(s), or caring about their slogans or what they say, think, or do. I'm marching for me - for what I believe to be important. I don't speak for others. I don't speak through others. I don't speak the words of others. I'm very individualistic that way.
Unlike you, I don't expect this fool's influence to grow. I expect it to stay about where it is, then decline. However, I don't speak for the black community. I do know most of the blacks I know well have no use whatsoever for Mr. Sharpton. He embarrasses them.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 17, 2015 8:12:42 GMT -5
*chuckle* Because I speak to someone, or treat someone politely, it doesn't follow I listen to and take seriously everything that person says. As to rallying behind a cause, it could just as well be because I'm in favor of the cause as that I'm in favor of the leader(s). I may believe the leaders to be full of excrement. That excrement doesn't need to fall on the cause, however. That said, I'd never wish to wish to mobilize 10 people to follow me, Virgil. They need to be following their own hearts, and minds, and beliefs. These people are only as important as we let them be. To many of them, I don't choose to grant power. They're simply not up to it. If the leader represents the cause, what difference does it make if these people are in favour of the cause or in favour of the leader? The bottom line is that they and hundreds of thousands more besides are willing to march behind this man chanting his slogans in the marches he organizes. The US President and US Attorney General take his calls, as do many other other high-ranking politicians and officials. He has a national following and his views aren't inconsequential. I don't like publicizing his views any more than you do, but there's definitely a multitude who care what he has to say. It's fair to say that he can even steer national opinion to a degree. Charismatic leaders can do that. Moreover, I expect his influence will only continue to grow with time. Even with this Oscar nominations nonsense, there's a disquieting number of minority Americans out there ingesting Mr. Sharpton's asinine theories about "white privilege" and accepting his thesis that the US Oscars are yet more proof of that fact. I don't think they're so much brainless as they are deceived. Pulled a little bit closer towards Mr. Sharpton's "particular" way of seeing things. Regardless, they definitely "give a flip" about what he has to say. We ignore that fact at our peril. Well said. It does not matter whether the President and A.G. Holder like Sharpton or actually believe or agree with what Sharpton is saying. The fact that they hold meetings that are publicized with him, allow followers and potential followers of Sharpton to believe Sharpton is correct on his views. I can see one meeting. It is when it repeatedly happens, we have to wonder about the WH agenda. It gives him legitimacy in the public view, and young people begin to believe whitey is out to get him.
This is how some issues blow out of proportion over perceived injustice.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 17, 2015 8:20:59 GMT -5
This example also shows us how Islamist terrorism gains followers. It starts with little half truths being told to the people who feel they are marginalized. They become indoctrinated with more half truths and even lies. Sometimes we cannot follow how fanaticism occurs, but when we see the believers following Al Sharpton, we get a picture of how it can start. And yes it works the same way on the far right crowd too.
Now in no way am I say Sharpton is promoting terrorism, or anything like that. He is from the jesse Jackson Sr. mould. Accuse and extort from whitey crowd.
Back to the Oscar situation. There is also the thought that the movie was too critical of LBJ, and some people felt not quite as accurate as it could have been in his portrayal.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 17, 2015 8:43:00 GMT -5
Sharpton is a symptom of where the liberal establishment is today. After Al Sharpton's role in the Tawana Brawley phony rape scam which resulted in riots and even a death, he ought to zero credibility with everyone. But not the liberal establishment shows up and bends over every time Sharpton calls a presser. As I said.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 17, 2015 8:45:36 GMT -5
This example also shows us how Islamist terrorism gains followers. It starts with little half truths being told to the people who feel they are marginalized. They become indoctrinated with more half truths and even lies. Sometimes we cannot follow how fanaticism occurs, but when we see the believers following Al Sharpton, we get a picture of how it can start. And yes it works the same way on the far right crowd too.
Now in no way am I say Sharpton is promoting terrorism, or anything like that. He is from the jesse Jackson Sr. mould. Accuse and extort from whitey crowd.
Back to the Oscar situation. There is also the thought that the movie was too critical of LBJ, and some people felt not quite as accurate as it could have been in his portrayal. Yep- otherwise, they might stop and do an honest inquiry about WHY they've been marginalized and learn that following people like Al Sharpton only further marginalizes them. It's sad that after all the progress made to integrate and assimilate the black population into the full benefits of American life, American life is being destroyed, and blacks are being led and pushed to the fringes by the likes of Obama and Sharpton. What a shameful legacy the first black President has crafted for himself.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 17, 2015 8:46:42 GMT -5
Seriously- why isn't the stuff Al & Jesse pull a crime? Namely: extortion.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 17, 2015 8:50:42 GMT -5
Seriously- why isn't the stuff Al & Jesse pull a crime? Namely: extortion. If memory serves me correctly, Jesse extorted a coca cola franchise from Coca Cola decades ago to make him go away. I cannot remember if it was distribution or bottling.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 20, 2015 23:03:54 GMT -5
It is entirely possible that the race hustling industry jumped the shark with #Ferguson and the ensuing and ongoing violence, and silly rhetoric and the academy simply didn't have the attention span, or patience to listen to Spike Lee or Oprah ramble on for an hour on the topic? I guess George Soros can try to buy revolution with $33 million but can't even conjure an Oscar. Race hustling industry? You mean Fox News, Rush, Hannity, Limbaugh, Boortz, Levine, Savage, etc. etc. ?
The constant stories of angry and scary black people shooting whitey? The current right wing meme? I guess Murdoch has more pull than Soros
The knock out game, the war on Christmas, the war on Christianity, the oppression of the white people Give me a fucking break! The GOP jumped the shark with Ronnie Raygun- the man that embodied everything you don't stand for- or maybe you do now- who the fuck knows with you people. That's right- YOU PEOPLE. You know who you are.
The main difference is that far too many on the left want to pretend that racism doesn't exist from non-white people. People complain about white people being taught to mistrust non-white people, but don't have an issue with the same mistrust being taught in reverse. Those on the left far too often attempts to pretend that it's ok for those types of racist to be racist...and at worst, the idea is even promoted. I can tell it's close to election time when all the headlines about "Racist Republicans" start to come out. Your get two people in a room of different skin colors, for the most part there isn't an issue...the issue comes when people politicize it and as much as Democrats complain about Republicans catering to racists; it sure seems they promote it themselves an awful lot. You know what....it's not alright either way!
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 20, 2015 23:56:15 GMT -5
Race hustling industry? You mean Fox News, Rush, Hannity, Limbaugh, Boortz, Levine, Savage, etc. etc. ?
The constant stories of angry and scary black people shooting whitey? The current right wing meme? I guess Murdoch has more pull than Soros
The knock out game, the war on Christmas, the war on Christianity, the oppression of the white people Give me a fucking break! The GOP jumped the shark with Ronnie Raygun- the man that embodied everything you don't stand for- or maybe you do now- who the fuck knows with you people. That's right- YOU PEOPLE. You know who you are.
The main difference is that far too many on the left want to pretend that racism doesn't exist from non-white people. People complain about white people being taught to mistrust non-white people, but don't have an issue with the same mistrust being taught in reverse. Those on the left far too often attempts to pretend that it's ok for those types of racist to be racist...and at worst, the idea is even promoted. I can tell it's close to election time when all the headlines about "Racist Republicans" start to come out. Your get two people in a room of different skin colors, for the most part there isn't an issue...the issue comes when people politicize it and as much as Democrats complain about Republicans catering to racists; it sure seems they promote it themselves an awful lot. You know what....it's not alright either way! You really think the 'left' is unaware of reverse racism? Perhaps you folks should clean house because the GOP is now THE political party of racism, jingoism, xenophobia, Islamophobia- The pants shitting gun and Bible grabbing scared little mice.
The GOP constantly hammers against all evidence that the 'moderate Muslims' don't do enough to condemn the radical murderers, well you folks do exactly jack shit to stand up to your lying, crazy members so I am going to assume all Republicans are stupid lunatics- fair enough?
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 21, 2015 9:05:53 GMT -5
The main difference is that far too many on the left want to pretend that racism doesn't exist from non-white people. People complain about white people being taught to mistrust non-white people, but don't have an issue with the same mistrust being taught in reverse. Those on the left far too often attempts to pretend that it's ok for those types of racist to be racist...and at worst, the idea is even promoted. I can tell it's close to election time when all the headlines about "Racist Republicans" start to come out. Your get two people in a room of different skin colors, for the most part there isn't an issue...the issue comes when people politicize it and as much as Democrats complain about Republicans catering to racists; it sure seems they promote it themselves an awful lot. You know what....it's not alright either way! You really think the 'left' is unaware of reverse racism? Perhaps you folks should clean house because the GOP is now THE political party of racism, jingoism, xenophobia, Islamophobia- The pants shitting gun and Bible grabbing scared little mice.
The GOP constantly hammers against all evidence that the 'moderate Muslims' don't do enough to condemn the radical murderers, well you folks do exactly jack shit to stand up to your lying, crazy members so I am going to assume all Republicans are stupid lunatics- fair enough?
The "left" may be aware of it...I just think that many are ok with it and try to marginalize any criticism of it. They are often loud and all over any perception (not necessarily reality) of racism by a white person (especially if it happens to be a Republican), but then there seems to be nothing said in reverse situations. I've written more than once that politically correct and socially acceptable bigotry is still bigotry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 12:35:02 GMT -5
I think it is weird that Selma didn't get more nominations. I'm not sure if it is racism or that they didn't spend enough on advertising and give aways. The fact that 15 black people have received Oscars for acting in over 60 years doesn't exactly make the Oscars colour blind.
ETA - Make that over 75 years
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 21, 2015 16:44:58 GMT -5
"Selma" is a movie about an important event in American History.
I don't believe that the lack of nominations has anything to do with racism. AMPAS controls the nominations.
Maybe the movie wasn't as "spectacular" as competing films - or the actors from other films had stronger, more powerful roles.
"JFK" was nominated for 8 Oscars - and took home 2. (Cinematography & Editing).
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 21, 2015 18:27:04 GMT -5
It's an important movie but not a very good one, sorry. It could have been one but wasn't. That happens. Let's not forget GWTW when, I think it was a black woman but her name escapes me, won and she was terrible. Not that white women haven't won who were also terrible. Thinking Jane Fonda. But the actress that played Melanie was up for the award and should have gotten it. Even now, when I make fun of someone who acts like the village idiot, I imitate the winner with her "don't know nothing bout birthin no babies." Ugh.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 21, 2015 19:40:08 GMT -5
"Selma" is a movie about an important event in American History.
I don't believe that the lack of nominations has anything to do with racism. AMPAS controls the nominations.
Maybe the movie wasn't as "spectacular" as competing films - or the actors from other films had stronger, more powerful roles.
"JFK" was nominated for 8 Oscars - and took home 2. (Cinematography & Editing). I haven't seen Selma yet (i'm planning on seeing it tomorrow) but I saw Boyhood (which sucked) and Birdman. Birdman had some redeeming qualities, but was probably nominated because it was about an actor. I think the Academy is enamored by movies about their own industry. Being a good movie doesn't seem to have much to do with the nominations. Now Whiplash - that was amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 20:18:42 GMT -5
"Selma" is a movie about an important event in American History.
I don't believe that the lack of nominations has anything to do with racism. AMPAS controls the nominations.
Maybe the movie wasn't as "spectacular" as competing films - or the actors from other films had stronger, more powerful roles.
"JFK" was nominated for 8 Oscars - and took home 2. (Cinematography & Editing). I haven't seen Selma yet (i'm planning on seeing it tomorrow) but I saw Boyhood (which sucked) and Birdman. Birdman had some redeeming qualities, but was probably nominated because it was about an actor. I think the Academy is enamored by movies about their own industry. Being a good movie doesn't seem to have much to do with the nominations.Now Whiplash - that was amazing. The bolded is not exactly news.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2015 20:43:28 GMT -5
Race hustling industry? You mean Fox News, Rush, Hannity, Limbaugh, Boortz, Levine, Savage, etc. etc. ?
The constant stories of angry and scary black people shooting whitey? The current right wing meme? I guess Murdoch has more pull than Soros
The knock out game, the war on Christmas, the war on Christianity, the oppression of the white people Give me a fucking break! The GOP jumped the shark with Ronnie Raygun- the man that embodied everything you don't stand for- or maybe you do now- who the fuck knows with you people. That's right- YOU PEOPLE. You know who you are.
The main difference is that far too many on the left want to pretend that racism doesn't exist from non-white people. People complain about white people being taught to mistrust non-white people, but don't have an issue with the same mistrust being taught in reverse. Those on the left far too often attempts to pretend that it's ok for those types of racist to be racist...and at worst, the idea is even promoted. I can tell it's close to election time when all the headlines about "Racist Republicans" start to come out. Your get two people in a room of different skin colors, for the most part there isn't an issue...the issue comes when people politicize it and as much as Democrats complain about Republicans catering to racists; it sure seems they promote it themselves an awful lot. You know what....it's not alright either way! i have no idea what you are talking about. neither i, nor anyone i know, thinks that racism is a white-only problem.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2015 20:45:24 GMT -5
I agree that some on the left tend to paper over so called reverse racism. Some even condone it. I strongly disagree that some monolithic block called "THE LEFT" does so.
I believe many of us have what may become racist tendencies in the modern world simply because we are genetically programmed to gravitate toward "our own", and away from those who are different. This is seen anthropologically in primitive and tribal cultures, and is at it's base a survival instinct. However it often doesn't serve well in modern society. This can apply to all people, black, white, pink and whatever. It is something we all need to work on to overcome. jmo. actually, i think the term "reverse racism" is basically a confession. what it presumes is that racism is endemic in the white to black direction. i disagree with that. i also disagree with the term. racism is racism. the reverse of racism is "color blind". we are a long way from that. edit: that having been said- i am more troubled by white racism, it is true. i suppose it is because i encounter it more often than any other flavor.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 21, 2015 23:34:05 GMT -5
There is no such thing as reverse racism. What some call reverse racism is simply racism.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 22, 2015 9:11:22 GMT -5
The good news about movie award shows and one award show in particular: religious themed movies were not overlooked this year. Last night's Golden Raspberry Awards, aka the Razzie Awards, honored Kirk Cameron with the worst actor award for his movie, Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas. Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas also won awards for worst picture, worst screen combo (Cameron and his ego) and worst screenplay. Actress Cameron Diaz won the worst actress award for The Other Woman and Sex Tape . Kelsey Grammer won best supporting actor for multiple films he acted in this past year while Megan Fox won best supporting actress for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Full list of the 2015 Razzie Award Nominees here: Razzie Awards 2015 'Winners': The Full List
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 22, 2015 9:20:22 GMT -5
I will say that only be nominated for Best Picture and nothing else makes it seem like an obligatory thing. You really can't have THE BEST movie of the year if your screenplay, production and acting isn't top notch. "Historically significant" really shouldn't be enough. Everything else needs to be pretty good too.
An indicator that this isn't a good movie is because it is playing at THREE theaters across town. It was released on Jan 9th. So was Taken 3, and it is at a dozen theaters. The Wedding Ringer, Paddington, Spare Parts and American Sniper were released Jan 16th, and they in pretty much every theater. How could this movie that was nominated for best picture not even survive 6 weeks?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 22, 2015 13:33:31 GMT -5
i pretty much ignore the grammys, the emmys and the oscars. they are pop culture awards, and pop culture is not that interesting.
that having been said, OCCASIONALLY something that is pop culture is actually interesting. like American Beauty, for example. but most of the stuff people talk about is utterly boring. IMO, of course.
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