2 NYPD cops shot dead ‘ambush style’ in Brooklyn

[EVT1]

Maybe better on another thread- OK- but that does not make me anti-cop.  I support the police just as much as I will call out bad cops and bad policy. 

This incident had jack to do with the mayor yet some police are claiming he has blood on his hands- and I maintain police that think that are part of the problem since the real reason they are mad at him is because he changed policy when it comes to fucking with people for no reason.

[Value Buy]

Dec 21, 2014 17:34:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

"Late Saturday night, President Obama condemned the “murder of two police officers in New York City,” noting that officers who serve their communities “deserve our respect and gratitude every single day. Tonight, I ask people to reject violence and words that harm, and turn to words that heal — prayer, patient dialogue, and sympathy for the friends and family of the fallen.”"

2 N.Y.P.D. Officers Killed in Brooklyn Ambush; Suspect Commits Suicide

Paul is mad there is no dog-and-pony press conference show.

Speaking of a dog and pony show, did you catch NYC Mayor speaking after the slaughter?

Now that was a dog and pony show.

[Value Buy]

Dec 21, 2014 18:08:45 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/21/gunman-who-shot-and-killed-2-nypd-officers-had-troubled-past-mother-says/

     Brinsley has been arrested 15 times in Georgia, and four in Ohio for assorted crimes, Boyce said. In posts on social media, the gunman expressed anger against the United States government at himself, Boyce added.

     The silver handgun used in Saturday’s shooting was bought at a pawn shop in Georgia in 1996 and authorities are now working with the ATF to determine how it ended up in Brinsley’s hands.

     Boyce said Brinsley's mother believed he had undiagnosed mental problems and may have been on medication later in life but detective said they were still trying to determine if he had a mental illness. He attempted to hang himself a year ago, police said.

Like I said- excuses.

What? You not going to claim racism on the 15 arrests in Georgia?

Or four in Ohio?

Cmon man, you know the cops were just out to get him and profiled him to boot.

[djAdvocate]

NYPD looks more like a "rogue government" to me every day.

[EVT1]

Dec 21, 2014 20:25:17 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 21, 2014 18:08:45 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/21/gunman-who-shot-and-killed-2-nypd-officers-had-troubled-past-mother-says/

     Brinsley has been arrested 15 times in Georgia, and four in Ohio for assorted crimes, Boyce said. In posts on social media, the gunman expressed anger against the United States government at himself, Boyce added.

     The silver handgun used in Saturday’s shooting was bought at a pawn shop in Georgia in 1996 and authorities are now working with the ATF to determine how it ended up in Brinsley’s hands.

     Boyce said Brinsley's mother believed he had undiagnosed mental problems and may have been on medication later in life but detective said they were still trying to determine if he had a mental illness. He attempted to hang himself a year ago, police said.

Like I said- excuses.

What? You not going to claim racism on the 15 arrests in Georgia?

Or four in Ohio?

Cmon man, you know the cops were just out to get him and profiled him to boot.

Why would I do that?  That's that strawman bullshit that lives in the heads of anyone that feels they are the victim of reverse racism

I claim racism when I actually see it.  Arresting a criminal 19 times is hardly racist- but attributing his actions to other people of the same race is quite racist.  So are you going to join the fray and explain how this murder was the fault of liberals and black leaders?  Lot's of company out there.

[Value Buy]

Dec 21, 2014 20:34:13 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Dec 21, 2014 20:25:17 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

What? You not going to claim racism on the 15 arrests in Georgia?

Or four in Ohio?

Cmon man, you know the cops were just out to get him and profiled him to boot.

Why would I do that?  That's that strawman bullshit that lives in the heads of anyone that feels they are the victim of reverse racism

I claim racism when I actually see it.  Arresting a criminal 19 times is hardly racist- but attributing his actions to other people of the same race is quite racist.  So are you going to join the fray and explain how this murder was the fault of liberals and black leaders?  Lot's of company out there.

I understand Cabela's and Bass Pro Shops were extradinarily busy today in the gun departments.

I wonder why.

[Opti]

Dec 21, 2014 18:24:04 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

I'm confused. What did the GF have to do with his protesting chokeholding? Was she just an oops I shot my girlfiend so now I'm gonna kill me some cops? I haven't kept completely on top of this so anyone here feel free to inform me if you wish.

NNP the GF shooting happened first. Then he drove from Baltimore to Brooklyn.

IMO he was not protesting choke holding at all. It was a convenient fiction I think

he told himself and put on social media to explain why he drove out of Baltimore.

I think he was still angry or confused and decided perhaps shooting other people

would help. I think his mind locked on NYC police as a convenient target. My opinion,

yours may differ.

[EVT1]

Meanwhile white anti-government extremists have been killing cops at a regular rate for years and so far no one has blamed Beck or Hannity.  Not even a mention about the Cliven Bundy assholes that killed the cops in Wal-Mart and how they were supported by FOX news until they killed police.  Sure- the mayor has blood on his hands   Always personal responsibility and the fault of the person that pulled the trigger until there is a juicy target to blame.  Go hypocrites!

[billisonboard]

Dec 21, 2014 20:38:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

... I understand Cabela's and Bass Pro Shops were extradinarily busy today in the gun departments. I wonder why.

Because the FEAR EBOLA thing didn't pan out?

[EVT1]

Dec 21, 2014 20:38:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 21, 2014 20:34:13 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

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I understand Cabela's and Bass Pro Shops were extradinarily busy today in the gun departments.

I wonder why.

Christmas?  Or if not what?  Who are you afraid of?  

[EVT1]

Dec 21, 2014 20:45:44 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 21, 2014 20:38:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

... I understand Cabela's and Bass Pro Shops were extradinarily busy today in the gun departments. I wonder why.

Because the FEAR EBOLA thing didn't pan out?

That was election Ebola.  So until 2016 it is going to be the usual suspects that ruin the lives of Godfearing 'real Americans'- gay people, women, immigrants, minorities, Muslims, atheists, scientists, the usual bunch

[Value Buy]

Dec 21, 2014 20:55:43 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Dec 21, 2014 20:45:44 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Because the FEAR EBOLA thing didn't pan out?

That was election Ebola.  So until 2016 it is going to be the usual suspects that ruin the lives of Godfearing 'real Americans'- gay people, women, immigrants, minorities, Muslims, atheists, scientists, the usual bunch

Your rants are getting a little old.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 22, 2014 5:37:51 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 21, 2014 20:55:43 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

That was election Ebola.  So until 2016 it is going to be the usual suspects that ruin the lives of Godfearing 'real Americans'- gay people, women, immigrants, minorities, Muslims, atheists, scientists, the usual bunch

Your rants are getting a little old.

And yours aren't? And Paul's rants aren't. When are you going to reply to paul, "Your rants are getting a little old."?

[Green Eyed Lady]

Interesting group.  We (me included) can go on for like a million pages about the terrible injustices of a police officer killing a criminal who was trying to hurt him, but we don't even get two full pages when police officers are killed.  I find that disturbing.  We should be at least as outraged at the execution of two men who were simply on duty.  But....doesn't appear that we are.  Oh, dear.

[billisonboard]

Dec 22, 2014 10:23:05 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Interesting group.  We (me included) can go on for like a million pages about the terrible injustices of a police officer killing a criminal who was trying to hurt him, but we don't even get two full pages when police officers are killed.  I find that disturbing.  We should be at least as outraged at the execution of two men who were simply on duty.  But....doesn't appear that we are.  Oh, dear.

There have been pages and pages of back and forth discussing appropriate or inappropriate use of force in some cases. I will certainly go on for pages against anyone who wishes to claim this was an appropriate use of force. Anyone willing to justify this? Anyone?

[Deleted]

Dec 22, 2014 10:23:05 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Interesting group.  We (me included) can go on for like a million pages about the terrible injustices of a police officer killing a criminal who was trying to hurt him, but we don't even get two full pages when police officers are killed.  I find that disturbing.  We should be at least as outraged at the execution of two men who were simply on duty.  But....doesn't appear that we are.  Oh, dear.

So now you are going to judge people because of what they haven't said?

Well.....where's your comments on the cop that was killed in Florida? Or the people shot by Santa in Detroit? The eight children stabbed to death in Australia? According to you, you must not give a damn because you haven't commented.

I also think it is pretty hypocritical to criticize people for not being outraged when you yourself haven't actually expressed any outrage.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Oh, I agree, Bill.  And no.  Nobody who actually posted said this was justified.  It's the LACK of people posting that was a concern.  There was no lack of people posting how the shooting of Michael Brown was unjustified.  But this?  Pretty much silence. 

However, I guess there's really not much to say.  After we talk about their children, their wives, their families and the fact that people shouldn't die just for doing their jobs (because it is a risk of the job doesn't mean it should be)...what else is there?  A Christmas without Dad?  Guess a lot of us have had those.  Those in places of authority enabling whack jobs with their bullshit rhetoric?  I'm all about personal responsibility and it was nobody's fault but the guy who pulled the trigger. 

Really...guess there's nothing more to discuss. 

[Tennesseer]

Dec 22, 2014 10:50:40 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Oh, I agree, Bill.  And no.  Nobody who actually posted said this was justified.  It's the LACK of people posting that was a concern.  There was no lack of people posting how the shooting of Michael Brown was unjustified.  But this?  Pretty much silence. 

However, I guess there's really not much to say.  After we talk about their children, their wives, their families and the fact that people shouldn't die just for doing their jobs (because it is a risk of the job doesn't mean it should be)...what else is there?  A Christmas without Dad?  Guess a lot of us have had those.  Those in places of authority enabling whack jobs with their bullshit rhetoric?  I'm all about personal responsibility and it was nobody's fault but the guy who pulled the trigger. 

Really...guess there's nothing more to discuss. 

Have you ever considered it is Christmas week? Weekends are usually slow on this board and Politics because most folks post while they are at work. Now that it is Christmas week, many folks are off work this week. Families are visiting, folks are shopping and other things going on in their daily lives. These boards will be pretty dead to the world later this week and weekend.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Hope so, Tenn.  That could be it, I suppose.

[Opti]

Dec 22, 2014 10:23:05 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Interesting group.  We (me included) can go on for like a million pages about the terrible injustices of a police officer killing a criminal who was trying to hurt him, but we don't even get two full pages when police officers are killed.  I find that disturbing.  We should be at least as outraged at the execution of two men who were simply on duty.  But....doesn't appear that we are.  Oh, dear.

I generally don't post just to be outraged at something. I don't want to be in a

perpetual bad mood over bad things that happened. Yes this is a bad thing, no question.

Not sure what my outrage would accomplish for this unless we are supposed bond over it.

[Green Eyed Lady]

I don't know, Opti.  I guess the same thing that was accomplished with all the outrage in the Martin and Brown threads. 

It's probably just me.  Tenn is probably right.  It's just a slow board time. 

[EVT1]

Maybe it is because people are not surprised when criminals act like criminals. When the police act like criminals it is noteworthy.

[Deleted]

I think the differences in the length of the threads is similar to YM threads where  "milestone reached" or "financial success" threads are usually much shorter than ones where the OP has money problems and either has an interesting background story, is resistant to most of the advice given, or is controversial for some other reason.

I think most people agree that ambushing these officers was very, very wrong. Most threads that go on and on do so because posters are disagreeing with each other or picking apart opposing points of view. We could go off on tangents here that could start lively discussion (differing opinions and disagreements), but that seems disrespectful on this particular thread.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Very true, Pink.  Not much else to say, I suppose. 

[billisonboard]

Dec 22, 2014 10:47:48 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Dec 22, 2014 10:23:05 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Interesting group.  We (me included) can go on for like a million pages about the terrible injustices of a police officer killing a criminal who was trying to hurt him, but we don't even get two full pages when police officers are killed.  I find that disturbing.  We should be at least as outraged at the execution of two men who were simply on duty.  But....doesn't appear that we are.  Oh, dear.

I find it pretty much par for the course. When a situation arises that doesn't fit the pre-scripted narrative for some it's silence. Well except for the people who would use this horrible situation to continue their sickening diatribe. 

Truthfully,I've lost a lot of respect for some on this board as a result of this particular thread. 

My thoughts and prayers are better used on the widows and sons of those police officers. 

This is your first message on this thread. Guess your "pre-scripted narrative" wasn't be fitted.

[Value Buy]

Dec 22, 2014 12:21:50 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Maybe it is because people are not surprised when criminals act like criminals. When the police act like criminals it is noteworthy.

But, if he is mentally ill or insane, how can he be labeled a criminal?

[zibazinski]

I'm very close to tarpon springs. People are asking with a record like the cop killer had, why was he even out of jail. Trouble with the "system" is that these "people" commit crimes over and over again. Shame the cops didn't kill him.

[swamp]

Dec 22, 2014 10:23:05 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Interesting group.  We (me included) can go on for like a million pages about the terrible injustices of a police officer killing a criminal who was trying to hurt him, but we don't even get two full pages when police officers are killed.  I find that disturbing.  We should be at least as outraged at the execution of two men who were simply on duty.  But....doesn't appear that we are.  Oh, dear.

Not sure what you want me to say. Shooting cops is bad.

[Deleted]

I think threads like this don't get much commentary because there's little to no argument to be had... so no "Real" discussion.

When things like this happen, there's no legitimate valid justification for it. And I think everyone here knows that.

I also agree with what someone said upthread... I think less "bad police" reports since body cameras started becoming the norm isn't because the police have changed... I think it's because the people they are stopping realize that their "baiting" is now being recorded... and they won't be able to claim "unjustified police brutality" since they can now be recorded inciting whatever happens to them.


Are there bad cops? Sure. Occasionally one will slip into the system... but... MOST cops are good people.

[EVT1]

I think the cameras work both ways- and I am not going to predict a ratio of modified police behavior or arrestee behavior- but needless to say they are very effective- so no excuse for not using them.

But a real discussion over cop killings? They happen on a regular basis- and this one is not any different.  But for some reason this time it is being used to attack the protestors, the mayor, the president, and the usual folks the police union have a problem with.  It is plain wrong- you cannot lay this on anyone but the long time criminal that pulled the trigger no matter what kind of bullshit he posted online. The police union needs to apologize for their ill-conceived statements.

And I agree- most cops are good people.  The only problem is that they automatically defend the bad ones on instinct.