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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 21:11:49 GMT -5
Tiki. you need to stop trolling because i'm not going to put up with it.
by your own statements and lengthy studies of all sorts of crap, ANYTHING that takes the driver's attention away from driving - which includes texting, as well as all the things i listed - should not be done. i'm not going to allow you to attack me for pointing out your failure to see the obvious. so you are deaf, no music etc for you. fine. what about signing to a passenger while you're driving? that would be distracted driving too.
and regardless of whether drunk driving is as bad (worse, in my opinion), it's still not the same as this. that is IMPAIRED driving. not just distracted. and this post is about distracted driving. quit trying to change the subject.
Troll? You are JOKING yes?? ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/rolleyes.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 21:16:06 GMT -5
Tiki. you need to stop trolling because i'm not going to put up with it.
by your own statements and lengthy studies of all sorts of crap, ANYTHING that takes the driver's attention away from driving - which includes texting, as well as all the things i listed - should not be done. i'm not going to allow you to attack me for pointing out your failure to see the obvious. so you are deaf, no music etc for you. fine. what about signing to a passenger while you're driving? that would be distracted driving too.
and regardless of whether drunk driving is as bad (worse, in my opinion), it's still not the same as this. that is IMPAIRED driving. not just distracted. and this post is about distracted driving. quit trying to change the subject.
No I do NOT sign and drive please stop making it up Do you have a idea what is required to sign? TWO HANDS. Its all I'm gonna tell you else you call me troll or hypocrite or else accuse me of giving insult to YOU. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/rolleyes.gif) EVERY body is a troll only if they do not agree with you yes? And STILL I am waiting for the study's to show all things are same as texting and drunk driving. ![](http://tiki.nu/i/14/12/Clock.gif)
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Post by midjd on Dec 13, 2014 21:19:21 GMT -5
IMO drunk/drugged driving and distracted driving (whether texting, putting on makeup, turning around to yell at your kids, etc.) aren't really comparable.
If you're drunk or drugged, you have no ability to return yourself to a condition in which you are safe to drive (at least until the booze/drugs wear off).
If you're distracted, once the distraction is removed, you're back to normal -- and you have the ability to eliminate the distraction at any time.
I'm not advocating texting while driving (although I'd argue that there are a hundred other things drivers routinely do that are equally dangerous) but it seems highly unlikely that sending one or two texts or glancing at a map on your phone during a 10-minute drive is "as dangerous as" driving 10 minutes while drunk.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 13, 2014 21:23:28 GMT -5
If you're deaf and driving, you also then can't hear emergency vehicle sirens - you want people who voice-text or call on phones to lose driving privileges or be fined. If you lip-read, you have to look at the other person to see what they're saying. If you sign, you have to look at them.
You probably wouldn't want your driving privileges taken away, based on your disability. I have a physical disability. I can't drive a standard transmission because of it. Should my driving privileges be taken away as well? ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 21:26:01 GMT -5
If you're deaf and driving, you also then can't hear emergency vehicle sirens - you want people who voice-text or call on phones to lose driving privileges or be fined. If you lip-read, you have to look at the other person to see what they're saying. If you sign, you have to look at them.
You probably wouldn't want your driving privileges taken away, based on your disability. I have a physical disability. I can't drive a standard transmission because of it. Should my driving privileges be taken away as well? ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
Possible you have a link that being deaf is same as texting and drunk driving? Already I posted possibly 10 links to study's and such. You and the other person posted 0 links to study's until now.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 13, 2014 21:29:38 GMT -5
No, you didn't post 10 links. And Impaired (Drunk) driving is not the same as texting.
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Post by moon/Laura on Dec 13, 2014 21:32:26 GMT -5
Tiki. you need to stop trolling because i'm not going to put up with it.
by your own statements and lengthy studies of all sorts of crap, ANYTHING that takes the driver's attention away from driving - which includes texting, as well as all the things i listed - should not be done. i'm not going to allow you to attack me for pointing out your failure to see the obvious. so you are deaf, no music etc for you. fine. what about signing to a passenger while you're driving? that would be distracted driving too.
and regardless of whether drunk driving is as bad (worse, in my opinion), it's still not the same as this. that is IMPAIRED driving. not just distracted. and this post is about distracted driving. quit trying to change the subject.
No I do NOT sign and drive please stop making it up Do you have a idea what is required to sign? TWO HANDS. Its all I'm gonna tell you else you call me troll or hypocrite or else accuse me of giving insult to YOU. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/rolleyes.gif) And STILL I am waiting for the study's to show all things are same as texting and drunk driving. ![](http://tiki.nu/i/14/12/Clock.gif) I realize english isn't your first language but if you read then you will see that i ASKED if you signed and drove. I did not say that you did do it. and yes, of course I'm aware that it takes two hands. That was my point though. you would be using your hands for something other than driving - just as you do while texting. or changing the radio station.
singing, talking to a passenger, talking on the phone (speakerphone, headset or whatever) also takes your focus from driving. just like texting. therefore, you could reasonably extrapolate that they're all as bad as texting and driving. Right?? i don't need some stupid study to know that. apparently YOU think that it has to be in black and white, however, or else it's not true.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 21:34:42 GMT -5
No I do NOT sign and drive please stop making it up Do you have a idea what is required to sign? TWO HANDS. Its all I'm gonna tell you else you call me troll or hypocrite or else accuse me of giving insult to YOU. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/rolleyes.gif) And STILL I am waiting for the study's to show all things are same as texting and drunk driving. ![](http://tiki.nu/i/14/12/Clock.gif) I realize english isn't your first language but if you read then you will see that i ASKED if you signed and drove. I did not say that you did do it. and yes, of course I'm aware that it takes two hands. That was my point though. you would be using your hands for something other than driving - just as you do while texting. or changing the radio station.
singing, talking to a passenger, talking on the phone (speakerphone, headset or whatever) also takes your focus from driving. just like texting. therefore, you could reasonably extrapolate that they're all as bad as texting and driving. Right?? i don't need some stupid study to know that. apparently YOU think that it has to be in black and white, however, or else it's not true.
I donno about talking to passenger because it is not possible only I no about signing and i think YES it is very bad also. A does not excuse B and B does not excuse A.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 21:35:17 GMT -5
No, you didn't post 10 links. And Impaired (Drunk) driving is not the same as texting. Oops you got me only it was SEVEN links. And 3 were for hands free texting is bad as drunk driving. It is your OPINION it is not but I got more trust for science.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 13, 2014 21:36:17 GMT -5
We need to take the "impaired" or "drunk" driving out of the discussion - the thread and OP are about distracted driving, not driving under the influence. Big difference.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 21:38:43 GMT -5
We need to take the "impaired" or "drunk" driving out of the discussion - the thread and OP are about distracted driving, not driving under the influence. Big difference. Then also you gotta take out all the other stuffs. Then it is back to only is hands free texting safe and all the study's said NO it is not safe. And there is NOT a big difference did you look at my links?
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Post by moon/Laura on Dec 13, 2014 21:45:36 GMT -5
it's not "opinion" that drunk driving is different. it's a fact. as midjd already pointed out on the previous page, distracted driving can be immediately alleviated by putting down the phone or whatever it is that's distracting you.
alcohol or drugs, however, require time. it's chemically altering your body. that's why it's so much more serious and absolutely cannot be compared to distracted driving. they're apples and oranges.
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Post by midjd on Dec 13, 2014 21:46:51 GMT -5
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/12/aaa-hands-free-texting-calling-driving-safety/2411309/This describes a study that focused on cognitive distraction (rather than visual or manual distraction). It seems to indicate that the dangers of hands-free devices, voice-to-text, etc. is not that your eyes/hands are occupied, but that your brain is focused on the conversation at hand and not the road. This is equal in danger to listening to an audiobook or having a conversation with a passenger. I think that the uproar over texting while driving is a little overblown. I don't see huge movements to ban the use of audiobooks while driving, although this study seemed to indicate that the danger of that is equivalent to using a hands-free device. Why is one acceptable and the other not?
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Post by swamp on Dec 13, 2014 21:53:32 GMT -5
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/12/aaa-hands-free-texting-calling-driving-safety/2411309/This describes a study that focused on cognitive distraction (rather than visual or manual distraction). It seems to indicate that the dangers of hands-free devices, voice-to-text, etc. is not that your eyes/hands are occupied, but that your brain is focused on the conversation at hand and not the road. This is equal in danger to listening to an audiobook or having a conversation with a passenger. I think that the uproar over texting while driving is a little overblown. I don't see huge movements to ban the use of audiobooks while driving, although this study seemed to indicate that the danger of that is equivalent to using a hands-free device. Why is one acceptable and the other not? Probably because teens aren't listening to audio books and killing themselves. And what I've taken from this conversation is that I should my kids off on the side of the highway when they distract me. It's too dangerous to drive with them. Or I might as well drive liquor up becias my kids distract me all the time.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 13, 2014 21:54:20 GMT -5
As I see it, there is definitely a major difference between driving while impaired and driving while distracted. While either may pose a danger, the latter can be quickly corrected. The former cannot.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 13, 2014 21:55:18 GMT -5
I can't imagine driving with a passenger and not talking to them - or singing along to the radio or a CD playing. I have a holder on my dash for the cell - I can talk on the cell hands-free while driving, and it's no different than talking to a person sitting next to me.
I press a button to connect/dial and another to end the call. I've also been known to be eating a burger while driving or sipping on a coffee or coke.
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Post by Jaguar on Dec 13, 2014 23:17:09 GMT -5
Hmmmm - by now (three hours later) I would have thought I'd have a few "amen" responses. I must have hit a nerve with quite a few text and drive people. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif) Geez you should have seen the bloody mess that YOUR thread brought up.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Dec 13, 2014 23:29:21 GMT -5
Probably because teens aren't listening to audio books and killing themselves. And what I've taken from this conversation is that I should my kids off on the side of the highway when they distract me. It's too dangerous to drive with them. Or I might as well drive liquor up becias my kids distract me all the time. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif) I pulled over once and threatened my kiddo with dumping him off on the side of the road. Of course, this was back in the dark ages before kids could call 911 and report their parents. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png) But he did behave till we got where we were going. Lordy I was such a bad parent!!!!
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Dec 14, 2014 9:05:46 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 14, 2014 9:28:59 GMT -5
Now you went and did it Kent. You drove a new member with less than 30 days on the boards and crashed her head on into a viaduct piling, while she was distracted from driving while she was trying to make a point. On the Everything else board no less!
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Post by kent on Dec 14, 2014 11:34:32 GMT -5
Hmmmm - by now (three hours later) I would have thought I'd have a few "amen" responses. I must have hit a nerve with quite a few text and drive people. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif) Geez you should have seen the bloody mess that YOUR thread brought up. OMG! I just read through all the posts - I should have NEVER started this thread - Lo siento everyone. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/sad.png)
Yep Value, I sure did - dang! Let's regroup a bit here - Tiki, please come home!
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Post by gooddecisions on Dec 14, 2014 11:56:29 GMT -5
I think they need to stop referring to it as "texting and driving." Everyone who uses their phone while driving just shrugs off the texting since that's not what they are doing on their phones. People are browsing news, snapchatting, facetiming, g-chatting, facebooking, instagraming, scoreboarding, listening/browsing for music, shopping, pulling directions- all kinds of things, but not technically "texting." I really don't like being a passenger in a car with a driver on his or her phone. They are usually going 5-10 mph under the speed limit, not staying entirely in their lane, late on going after the light turns green and not driving defensively at all. But, they all insist they're good at it. I probably do need to find something else to do while driving though, because I have a lot of road rage when it comes to other drivers not paying attention.
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Post by b2r on Dec 14, 2014 11:59:08 GMT -5
Driving with your knees while eating a whopper is probably unsafe as well. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/shucks2.png) Yes but having a Big Mac is ok and it tastes way better. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png) ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wine.gif) Your tastebuds must be impaired! ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png)
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 14, 2014 12:21:02 GMT -5
Let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 14, 2014 12:54:18 GMT -5
And the same can be said for a number of senior drivers as well. Ever get stuck behind one who's driving nearly half the speed limit, and weaving in and out of lanes, or not signaling, etc? There was a woman (elderly) at the mall a few weeks ago - she could barely see over the dashboard & was trying to park her big old caddy - it must have taken her nearly 5 minutes. I thought for sure she was going to clip one of the cars on either side of the spot she was trying to squeeze her big old rust bucket into.
It was probably the same scenario when she tried to back out too.
Maybe we should ban driving with road-rage. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 23:05:22 GMT -5
Just opened this thread... Wow. I do want to correct something that was said that's kind of unrelated to the OP... but also kind of not unrelated. It actually is possible to "sign" one handed. Just Google " one handed sign language". It's not as "full of nuance" a version as two-handed is... but one can make themselves understood. Now for the "not unrelated" part... if a person is "one handed signing", they would be pretty distracted... just like someone reading/replying to a text. If they were watching a passenger "sign", (one handed or two handed), they'd be pretty distracted as well.
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Post by Opti on Dec 15, 2014 12:33:31 GMT -5
This thread reminds me more of a P&M thread than EE. I really like one of POM's links as it alluded to the fact that there are levels of distraction. I'm not a fan of cellphone use in the car like some appear to be here, but I thought that URL was helpful in pointing out the distraction level of hands free depends much on what system you are using and what you are doing.
I've read some of the old studies and talking to a passenger in a car is usually less distracting than cellphone calls of any type because people tend to stop talking when the driver needs to concentrate. Passengers see the road and the traffic the driver is experiencing, cellphone callers do not.
I hope the hands free systems become better and safer as apparently many people use them or want to. I hope its soon. I was wondering if drunk driving might be worse in RL in part because most of it probably occurs at night.
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Post by gooddecisions on Dec 15, 2014 14:19:17 GMT -5
I really liked this eyes on the road campaign video. I hope it wakes a few people up:
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