MN Girls HS Teams to Include 'Transgenders'

[Shooby]

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/12/04/Minnesota-School-Sports-League-to-Vote-on-New-Transgender-Rules

The state board overseeing high school sports in Minnesota voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to permit male-to-female transgender students to participate in girls sports.

After an aborted attempt earlier this year to institute controversial new "inclusive" rules for transgender players in high school athletics, the Minnesota State High School League voted 18-1 with one abstention to endorse males identifying as females to play girls sports
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[Shooby]

Girls joining a boys' sport is vastly different than a boy joining a girls' sports. A girl joining a football team is far, far different that a boy joining a girls basketball team. Boys ruin girls sports and the point of girls sports.

[Deleted]

You are suggesting girls are naturally less athletic? 

Im im not sure I get your post in reply 1.

[Shooby]

There are biological differences between boys and girls. I would have no problem with a girl being on my sons' team but yes, I would have a problem with a boy being on my daughter's team. I played Boys Little League when I was a kid. And, I was a very good female athlete. And, I did well in Little League, but I choose not to move up to the Teen League because the reality is that I would not be able to compete at that level. So, I focused my talents on basketball which I excelled at. But, yes, if you want to read sexism or some "slam" at women, then that is up to you.

Right now I am coaching a 4 -6th grade YMCA youth basketball league. And, this is a co ed league. The reality is that in mixed leagues, boys preferentially throw the ball to other boys. Boys preferentially take control of the ball and game. I dont' fault boys for that, their nature is just very competitive. However, I do not find that this type of team suits the interests of my girls in their play development. I don't like co ed leagues. And, next year, I am going to break off and only coach girls.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Good for the school board.

I seem to recall you upset once that a girl couldn't play on a boy's football team, even though she was a better player than some of the boys, but due to the fact she was a girl, she was barred from playing on the team.

Now you're upset that a trans-gender will be allowed to play on the girls' team? And by the way, Shooby, if the student is a trans-gender (post-surgery), they ARE a girl

Don't get trans-gender confused with gay.

[ArchietheDragon]

Transgendered people are awkward and not very athletic, so it may not be an issue.

[Opti]

I'm not well-versed in transgender issues, but my guess is this is the best

solution they could come up with. Yes its true someone still physically male

identifying as a female may have a definite physical advantage.

However, its probably the best compromise as a male identifying as female

might be hurt both on and off the field if she played on male teams plus hopefully

the impact is likely to be limited to one exception here and there.

[justme]

Dec 6, 2014 11:25:08 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Good for the school board.

I seem to recall you upset once that a girl couldn't play on a boy's football team, even though she was a better player than some of the boys, but due to the fact she was a girl, she was barred from playing on the team.

Now you're upset that a trans-gender will be allowed to play on the girls' team? And by the way, Shooby, if the student is a trans-gender (post-surgery), they ARE a girl

Don't get trans-gender confused with gay.

As far as I know no surgeon will do sex reassignment on a minor so the teens would still legally be male. They may be taking testosterone blockers though that prevent puberty from happening. I'm not sure if they give minors the hormones needed for the gender they identify with.

[Shooby]

Dec 6, 2014 11:25:08 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Good for the school board.

I seem to recall you upset once that a girl couldn't play on a boy's football team, even though she was a better player than some of the boys, but due to the fact she was a girl, she was barred from playing on the team.

Now you're upset that a trans-gender will be allowed to play on the girls' team? And by the way, Shooby, if the student is a trans-gender (post-surgery), they ARE a girl

Don't get trans-gender confused with gay.

I have said many times that a girl playing on a boys team is quite a bit different than a boy playing on a girls team.  Do you want me to say it again for the Umpteenth time?  The case in question is a biological MALE.  And, a biololgical MALE has biological hormones.  So, yeah.   Sooo, i said nothing about "gay" so don't try to reinterpret my posts without actually reading them.

[Shooby]

Dec 6, 2014 11:34:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'm not well-versed in transgender issues, but my guess is this is the best

solution they could come up with. Yes its true someone still physically male

identifying as a female may have a definite physical advantage.

However, its probably the best compromise as a male identifying as female

might be hurt both on and off the field if she played on male teams plus hopefully

the impact is likely to be limited to one exception here and there.

But, you would have no problem with a biological male mixing up and potentially hurting females?  Oh, ok.  So that is the "best " compromise?    

[zibazinski]

I'm guessing he/she won't be welcome in the locker room.

[Shooby]

He probably will. Girls are pretty easy to get along with. But, I think having testosterone flowing through your veins is a bit of an unfair advantage.

[zibazinski]

I don't want a man in the woman's locker room. I suppose once the person is totally transformed, which will be as an adult, the high school locker room will no longer be an issue. 

[Shooby]

Where did it say he was taking any type of treatments to transition? He is a MALE "identifying" as a female. Fine and dandy. That doesn't make you a biological female.

[zibazinski]

Oh, well, then he needs to stay out of the women's locker room. Him on the women's team makes no sense but maybe he's small.

[Shooby]

So, why can't he identify as a female if he wants and still play on the male team? That seems to be the fair thing to me.

[zibazinski]

I don't know. What a mell of a hess. Glad me and mine are out of public schools. 

[Shooby]

He isn't transitioning. He is a biological male. Maybe we need to define sports as Biological Male teams and Biological Female Teams. YOu can call yourself whatever you want. And, if he wants to play in a pony tail and make up on the boys team, then fine.

[Shooby]

Boys get a lot of glory in sports. Girls don't. Why do we have to RUIN girls sports and turn them into Co Ed? That's ridiculous. Let girls play.

[Opti]

Dec 6, 2014 13:25:38 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Dec 6, 2014 11:34:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'm not well-versed in transgender issues, but my guess is this is the best

solution they could come up with. Yes its true someone still physically male

identifying as a female may have a definite physical advantage.

However, its probably the best compromise as a male identifying as female

might be hurt both on and off the field if she played on male teams plus hopefully

the impact is likely to be limited to one exception here and there.

But, you would have no problem with a biological male mixing up and potentially hurting females?  Oh, ok.  So that is the "best " compromise?    

Don't put words in my mouth. Should it come up in your Arizona school system you can

propose a different solution. Another option would be allow male transgenders identifying

as female that are biological males to play with girls teams in non contact sports and only

on male teams in contact sports.

I can see an issue with a girl's basketball team but hopefully sports like tennis would be

less of a potential injury problem.

[Opti]

Dec 6, 2014 13:36:20 GMT -5 Shooby said:

He probably will. Girls are pretty easy to get along with. But, I think having testosterone flowing through your veins is a bit of an unfair advantage.

I believe girls have testosterone flowing through their veins, just less.

[Shooby]

We have defined MALES and FEMALES. It's clear biology. We aren't talking about hermaphrodites or him transitioning with hormones, surgery or whatever. He is a MALE, so HE can play on a BOYS team. Let him wear makeup and whatever but how is it fair to the girls? It isn't.

[Opti]

Dec 6, 2014 19:54:43 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Boys get a lot of glory in sports. Girls don't. Why do we have to RUIN girls sports and turn them into Co Ed? That's ridiculous. Let girls play.

I'd understand your unhappiness if transgenders were common, but this is unlikely to

ruin lots of girls sports teams.

In 1986, researchers in the Netherlands, which offers transgender-related health benefits in its universal healthcare plan, calculated the prevalence of male-to-female transsexualism at 1 in 18,000 and female-to-male at 1 in 54,000.[iii] A follow-up study from 1996 cited prevalence at 1 in 11,900 males and 1 in 30,400 females.[iv]
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110905152607AAnwqkZ

Not sure of the accuracy, but I doubt this will be more common than girls on boys football

teams.

[Shooby]

I understand your point but you can see where it could be something that could be used as an excuse to abuse the system. And, the purpose of Title IX was to give GIRLS opportunities for sports. I have coached Co Ed teams and boys always dominant. Yeah, there might be one scrappy girl who can mix , but most of the time it is demoralizing to girls learning the game. That doesn't help them develop and what does it PROVE that a BOY can dominate a girl? I think it's absurd.

[Deleted]

Yeah, I see tons of boys admitting in public they identify female, wear girls clothes, go by a girls name, etc etc, all so that they can play girls sports... 

[Opti]

Dec 6, 2014 21:21:24 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I understand your point but you can see where it could be something that could be used as an excuse to abuse the system. And, the purpose of Title IX was to give GIRLS opportunities for sports. I have coached Co Ed teams and boys always dominant. Yeah, there might be one scrappy girl who can mix , but most of the time it is demoralizing to girls learning the game. That doesn't help them develop and what does it PROVE that a BOY can dominate a girl? I think it's absurd.

Could be and will can be two very different things.

I think it will be rare given the statistics to have even one male transgender on any

given female team. If it gets to the point that one starts seeing 20% or more transgenders

then it will be worth changing things. As it is, its one state that has made a decision and

there isn't years of history on what the participation will be or not.

Do you really think there will be a rash of males willing to be classified as transgender

wearing female clothing every day in school just to play on a girl's team?

[Shooby]

Dec 6, 2014 21:36:48 GMT -5 oped said:

Yeah, I see tons of boys admitting in public they identify female, wear girls clothes, go by a girls name, etc etc, all so that they can play girls sports... 

And he cant just play on the Boys team why.......??

[Opti]

Dec 6, 2014 21:57:39 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Dec 6, 2014 21:36:48 GMT -5 oped said:

Yeah, I see tons of boys admitting in public they identify female, wear girls clothes, go by a girls name, etc etc, all so that they can play girls sports... 

And he cant just play on the Boys team why.......??

If you saw a transgender dressed in a tennis skirt playing on a boy's tennis

team would you automatically tell yourself, well that must be a male transgender

or would you wonder why was a girl playing on a boy's team?

 

[Deleted]

I think shoob thinks transgendered = cross dresser.

[Deleted]

I'm not sure it would have much impact on team sports but think it could be an unfair advantage in more individual competitions like track, tennis, swim.