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Post by tskeeter on Nov 26, 2014 17:57:18 GMT -5
Hopefully this thread doesn't go too far into the political spectrum...
There's been a lot in the news lately over the looting and destruction in Ferguson, MO.
The one thing that perplexes me is the looting and property destruction. I can understand getting angry and upset over injustices, real or perceived, but I can't understand how you'd go from "I'm mad as hell" to "let's go burn down buildings and knock over a convenience store."
I've been livid about things, both in my personal life and about things in politics, but I've never channeled that energy into destructive purposes.
So why do people do this? Is this really how people should vent their frustrations? What's the psychology behind this behavior? This behavior is a lack of personal ethics combined with opportunity. We lived in Chicago during the days when the Bulls were winning championship after championship. A woman that worked with my DW said that she was going to park in front of her favorite store and wait for the Bulls to win that evenings championship game. And as soon as someone broke the store window, she was going to be the second person in the store looting the place. Same metality at work in Ferguson. As long as other people are committing crimes, it's OK for me to commit crimes, too. Cause the police are going to be too overwhelmed to stop us. Funny things is that I'd expect the same thing to happen in Ferguson that happened in South Central LA after the Rodney King riots. Folks living in South Central were surprised that the people whose shops they had looted and burned down weren't interested in doing business in South Central any more. So the community, that was already short on retail services, found itself with almost no retail businesses any more. No place to buy groceries. Or clothes. Or electronics. Even some of those who had successfully defended their businesses with shotguns pulled out as soon as they could. Too bad these types of folks aren't blessed with the ability to figure out the likely consequences of their actions.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 26, 2014 20:27:05 GMT -5
A lot of emotional distraught middle class people run up their credit cards to a point they end up filing bankruptcy. Lower class people just take the stuff without paying more directly.
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Post by Ombud on Nov 26, 2014 21:11:28 GMT -5
Temescal Business Assn (Oakland) is on the news asking why?? Why are the protesters attacking them - their neighbors? Several stating bottom line / employee hours affected. Which in turn affects the protesters income (as well as shop owners) as they now have to rebuild.
B4 you make this a 'race' issue that group is primarily compromised of black residents of that area.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 8:00:23 GMT -5
Considering why-- When someone turns violent, it is usually the base of unresolved and unrestrained anger, (be it imposed on a spouse, a child or a mere stranger). In the Ferguson's case, it seems those who turned to violent behavior turned on what was the closest to them. Their own resources. I do not see the logic to their madness. It is like cutting the nose off of your own face.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 9:45:18 GMT -5
There are some opportunist's in on the looting but it is not a good idea to dismiss the number of people there that are really protesting the unpunished shooting of an unarmed black youth. They don't know where to direct their anger and energy yet but if these incidents continue there is a good chance they will figure it out. If they get organised it will be a bigger problem than some looting.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 27, 2014 9:56:06 GMT -5
The homeowners policy even in its most basic form includes coverage for vandalism and malicious mischief and another for riot and civil commotion. There should be coverage for it. Unless, like someone else said, we have a repeat of Katrina and insurance companies try to invent baseless exclusions.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 27, 2014 10:02:41 GMT -5
Makes for ratings. Reporting the truth isn't good for ratings.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 27, 2014 10:07:07 GMT -5
There are people that own the mom and pop stores that will close for good. Some will survive and move. I will be very interested to see what the economy is like there in 10+ years. You better believe that these same people are going to blame someone else for their sad situation and will be living on our tax dollars because there are no companies willing to operate there. It will be politicians that are to blame. It couldn't possibly be their lack of home training and the fact that they were so short sighted that getting something for free and having 15 minutes of fame while doing it was more important than their future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 11:15:55 GMT -5
I read some things today I had not heard about Mike Brown and they were not disclosed before.
Apparently he had a large quantity of marijuana in his blood stream, that might have made him act differently.
Also I assumed his parents raised him they were so distraught. They had him when they were young teens and not married, he was raised by his grandmother, say what?? Also he was living with a friend not at home. And then the picture of him holding the shopkeeper by the neck where he stole the cigars, that was never shown. While he likely should not have been shot that many times, who knows? I would have thought a shot to the arm, thigh or somewhere non lethal would have stopped him. I know he was hit several times and it didn't stop him so I don't know. Still the facts on BOTH sides should be portrayed and not what the media did, they incited violence.
Darren Wilson’s first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authoritiesFERGUSON, Mo. — The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch. That was three years ago. One of the officers who worked in that department, and lost his job along with everyone else, was a young man named Darren Wilson. Some of the Jennings officers reapplied for their jobs, but Wilson got a job in the police department in the nearby city of Ferguson. The Washington Post
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Post by Bonny on Nov 27, 2014 12:06:09 GMT -5
I read some things today I had not heard about Mike Brown and they were not disclosed before.
Apparently he had a large quantity of marijuana in his blood stream, that might have made him act differently.
Also I assumed his parents raised him they were so distraught. They had him when they were young teens and not married, he was raised by his grandmother, say what?? Also he was living with a friend not at home. And then the picture of him holding the shopkeeper by the neck where he stole the cigars, that was never shown. While he likely should not have been shot that many times, who knows? I would have thought a shot to the arm, thigh or somewhere non lethal would have stopped him. I know he was hit several times and it didn't stop him so I don't know. Still the facts on BOTH sides should be portrayed and not what the media did, they incited violence.
Darren Wilson’s first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authoritiesFERGUSON, Mo. — The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch. That was three years ago. One of the officers who worked in that department, and lost his job along with everyone else, was a young man named Darren Wilson. Some of the Jennings officers reapplied for their jobs, but Wilson got a job in the police department in the nearby city of Ferguson. The Washington PostSo?
He was never disciplined for bad behavior. This is typical of the WP trying to stir something up when there's nothing to say.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 27, 2014 12:09:53 GMT -5
Exactly! While also minimizing the messed up life of the kid that got shot trying to attack an officer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 12:20:05 GMT -5
Darren Wilson’s first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authoritiesFERGUSON, Mo. — The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch. That was three years ago. One of the officers who worked in that department, and lost his job along with everyone else, was a young man named Darren Wilson. Some of the Jennings officers reapplied for their jobs, but Wilson got a job in the police department in the nearby city of Ferguson. The Washington Post So?
He was never disciplined for bad behavior. This is typical of the WP trying to stir something up when there's nothing to say.
You mean like stirring up such about Michael Brown when there is nothing to say? He was FIRED. Read it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 12:20:43 GMT -5
Exactly! While also minimizing the messed up life of the kid that got shot trying to attack an officer. Always special different rules for other side yes? Always try to make the killer be a hero and the murder victim be evil!
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Post by Bonny on Nov 27, 2014 12:46:36 GMT -5
Yeah, typical. They use the term "Fired" when "Laid off" is the more appropriate term. Unfortunately Laid-Off is not inflammatory enough.
Tiki, the situation is tragic on many levels. I understand that. But when the media is fanning the flames it's disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 12:52:15 GMT -5
Yeah, typical. They use the term "Fired" when "Laid off" is the more appropriate term. Unfortunately Laid-Off is not inflammatory enough. Tiki, the situation is tragic on many levels. I understand that. But when the media is fanning the flames it's disgusting. But only you got trouble for media t fan ONE SIDE. Its OK media will call all the protesters looters and rioters when only few people did it? Probably that is OK yes?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 27, 2014 13:11:27 GMT -5
Exactly! While also minimizing the messed up life of the kid that got shot trying to attack an officer. Always special different rules for other side yes? Always try to make the killer be a hero and the murder victim be evil! Life is not black and white, it never has and never will be. Stop pretending otherwise. There are no "good guys" and "bad guys" here, and there are no winners or losers, only losers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 13:12:51 GMT -5
Always special different rules for other side yes? Always try to make the killer be a hero and the murder victim be evil! Life is not black and white, it never has and never will be. Stop pretending otherwise. There are no "good guys" and "bad guys" here, and there are no winners or losers, only losers. I said black and white? No. Only I said better have SAME RULES for all sides.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 27, 2014 13:19:23 GMT -5
So?
He was never disciplined for bad behavior. This is typical of the WP trying to stir something up when there's nothing to say.
You mean like stirring up such about Michael Brown when there is nothing to say? He was FIRED. Read it. Everyone was fired. It didn't say he was part of the problem.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 27, 2014 13:52:44 GMT -5
I read some things today I had not heard about Mike Brown and they were not disclosed before.
Apparently he had a large quantity of marijuana in his blood stream, that might have made him act differently.
Also I assumed his parents raised him they were so distraught. They had him when they were young teens and not married, he was raised by his grandmother, say what?? Also he was living with a friend not at home. And then the picture of him holding the shopkeeper by the neck where he stole the cigars, that was never shown. While he likely should not have been shot that many times, who knows? I would have thought a shot to the arm, thigh or somewhere non lethal would have stopped him. I know he was hit several times and it didn't stop him so I don't know. Still the facts on BOTH sides should be portrayed and not what the media did, they incited violence.
Stablest.....shooting an arm or leg is only done in movies. They are trained to shoot to stop, and are trained to shoot at the greatest mass...which is the trunk of the body. Clipping someone on the arm or leg does not stop them.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 27, 2014 14:10:52 GMT -5
It is a logical fallacy to think that someone who isn't armed can't be dangerous to someone who is. That whole shooting to wound thing is also BS. You don't shoot a gun if you don't intend to shoot to kill, and always go for center mass.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 15:53:33 GMT -5
You mean like stirring up such about Michael Brown when there is nothing to say? He was FIRED. Read it. Everyone was fired. It didn't say he was part of the problem. He was part of them and they were the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 18:03:51 GMT -5
Yeah, typical. They use the term "Fired" when "Laid off" is the more appropriate term. Unfortunately Laid-Off is not inflammatory enough. Tiki, the situation is tragic on many levels. I understand that. But when the media is fanning the flames it's disgusting. But only you got trouble for media t fan ONE SIDE. Its OK media will call all the protesters looters and rioters when only few people did it? Probably that is OK yes? That's odd because I was seeing the looters and rioters called protesters. Guess there really must be two sides then huh?
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 27, 2014 18:07:52 GMT -5
Everyone was fired. It didn't say he was part of the problem. He was part of them and they were the problem. He was a member of the force. Apparently, there was trouble between the police and the citizens of that small town. There's nothing to indicate he was actually part of the problem. I wouldn't be surprised there were good cops on the force and bad cops on the force. We have no way of knowing who was who. Sounds like the town decided to get rid of all the police and start over. That doesn't condemn every member of the force.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 27, 2014 18:09:18 GMT -5
Especially when they were re-hired.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 18:22:09 GMT -5
But only you got trouble for media t fan ONE SIDE. Its OK media will call all the protesters looters and rioters when only few people did it? Probably that is OK yes? That's odd because I was seeing the looters and rioters called protesters. Guess there really must be two sides then huh?
Protesters are who stand and yell and show a sign it is most of them. Looters are who break glasses and steal something and they are a few. Its not hard to no whats the difference except media said all they are looters. Also few people here got confused.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 27, 2014 18:24:53 GMT -5
Another thing we have to remember is that there are a certain number of people who will go to these protests with the specific purpose of stirring folks up and escalating the protest to a riot. That's what they want. They don't give a flip about Ferguson. They're there to create chaos. They feed on it.
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Post by Jaguar on Nov 27, 2014 18:37:29 GMT -5
Another thing we have to remember is that there are a certain number of people who will go to these protests with the specific purpose of stirring folks up and escalating the protest to a riot. That's what they want. They don't give a flip about Ferguson. They're there to create chaos. They feed on it.
Oh yes very much so, look at the G20 Summit that Toronto had. It was bad on both sides here. I remember finding out about it and making sure that not one single hospital appointment was on either of those weeks. It was just chaos downtown in the core. And of course my hospital was right there with it all. No thank you, I ain't stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 19:45:18 GMT -5
Another thing we have to remember is that there are a certain number of people who will go to these protests with the specific purpose of stirring folks up and escalating the protest to a riot. That's what they want. They don't give a flip about Ferguson. They're there to create chaos. They feed on it. and earn their living from it.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 27, 2014 19:46:59 GMT -5
Another thing we have to remember is that there are a certain number of people who will go to these protests with the specific purpose of stirring folks up and escalating the protest to a riot. That's what they want. They don't give a flip about Ferguson. They're there to create chaos. They feed on it. and earn their living from it. Yep. Some of them are very visible. They make sure they're visible. Others are hidden and remain so - like thieves in the night. Neither of these has any interest whatever in the good of the people of Ferguson.
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Post by Ombud on Nov 28, 2014 18:31:03 GMT -5
@tiki
In THIS country, we stop when a cop tells us to or suffer the consequences. We also have grand juries and respect their decisions. If we disagree with laws we work within the system to change them. Not sure where you are from but from your command of the English language & avatar, I suspect either an immigrant from somewhere without grand juries or still abroad (this is an international forum).
At any rate, that's immaterial when discussing the economic impact on a depressed area when merchants are financially impacted
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