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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 9:08:24 GMT -5
You think you are civil with dj? How does calling him a liar fit in with that civility?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 9:11:28 GMT -5
You think you are civil with dj? How does calling him a liar fit in with that civility? Link to post required for rebuttal. ETA: post of MINE, that is. ETA II: I just did a search for any post of mine that has the word "liar" in it. Didn't see any where I called him that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 9:32:31 GMT -5
I see, dj misinterprets you as well. Got it.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 14, 2015 10:51:46 GMT -5
He's dumb if he sues and I don't think he will. This will go away because of his reputation, the length of time, and there being zero proof. Someone suing him is another story. I'd go see him in concert because rumor is just that. Rumor. I don't think its right to trash someone's reputation over rumor.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 14, 2015 11:23:12 GMT -5
He's dumb if he sues and I don't think he will. This will go away because of his reputation, the length of time, and there being zero proof. Someone suing him is another story. I'd go see him in concert because rumor is just that. Rumor. I don't think its right to trash someone's reputation over rumor. He has every right to sue, he can clearly show it cost him money which is the basis for damages in such a suit, and they've got nothing. He will sue, and they will settle- or lose.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 14, 2015 11:50:13 GMT -5
You can't get blood from a stone. There's no point to suing. It costs him money.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 14, 2015 12:14:50 GMT -5
You can't get blood from a stone. There's no point to suing. It costs him money. EVT said it outright. He has everything to lose and nothing to gain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 18:56:37 GMT -5
I see, dj misinterprets you as well. Got it. Still waiting for the post number and thread where I called him a "liar". Or were you lying about me doing that? (I did look {using the board's "search" function}, but couldn't find a single time I called him one, not one single instance... ANYWHERE)
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 14, 2015 19:07:24 GMT -5
Let's get back on topic and off the "you said", "no, I didn't" kick, shall we. Yes. We shall.
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Post by Opti on Jan 14, 2015 19:26:13 GMT -5
Well, here's some recent fodder to discuss. I searched on 'Bill Cosby lawsuit' and someone is within the statute of limitations. But per the video clip she may be or was a Las Vegas lap dancer. Alleged to have occurred at the Playboy mansion in 2008.
www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Bill-Cosby-Sexual-Assault-Accusations-LAPD-288554841.html
A woman who says Bill Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her six years ago at a party at the Playboy Mansion met with Los Angeles police Wednesday morning to detail her accusations, her lawyer said.
The accusation by Chloe Goins, 24, come in the wake of sexual assault allegations from more than 15 women against the comedian.
Attorneys for Goins, who was 18 at the time of the alleged assault in 2008, say she is the only accuser who "could be within the statute of limitations to levy criminal and civil charges against the actor."
Stay tuned.
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Post by Opti on Jan 14, 2015 19:31:26 GMT -5
Here's part of interview on the defamation suit some posters might find interesting.
LEIGH SALES: So do you think we will get to a point where we can establish beyond reasonable doubt that these assaults occurred?
JOSEPH CAMMORATA: Well the standard in America for civil cases is beyond - is a preponderance of the evidence, more likely true than not. In a criminal case, it's beyond a reasonable doubt. We have a courtroom, a forum where truth can be tried. My clients are prepared to see this case to the end. What that means is to present their case to a jury of their peers and let the jury determine who is right and who is wrong, who is telling the truth and who is not.
LEIGH SALES: Do you believe that even all these years later, it's really possible that justice will be delivered for these women and indeed possibly for Mr Cosby?
JOSEPH CAMMORATA: Well, absolutely. Absolutely. In America, in our system of justice we have the ability to gather people to decide what's right and wrong. These three courageous women have undertaken to put up their good name before a jury and to swear under oath what is true and what is not true. And Bill Cosby, thankfully, will have the same opportunity.
www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4162404.htm
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 19:33:36 GMT -5
So now the police are investigating. Good.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 14, 2015 20:26:12 GMT -5
So... suing him for defamation for his claiming they lied about his raping them, which they can't prove. I guess so. It sounds like a painful dead end to me.
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Post by Opti on Jan 14, 2015 20:37:56 GMT -5
So... suing him for defamation for his claiming they lied about his raping them, which they can't prove. I guess so. It sounds like a painful dead end to me. It will be interesting!
Actually what's interesting to me is that with the criminal case one has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt which is generally a high bar, but the civil case has the more likely true than not caveat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 20:40:36 GMT -5
So now the police are investigating. Good. Not sure what there is to investigate... without proof.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 20:46:05 GMT -5
So now the police are investigating. Good. Not sure what there is to investigate... without proof. You really don't know how this works do you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 20:51:11 GMT -5
So... suing him for defamation for his claiming they lied about his raping them, which they can't prove. I guess so. It sounds like a painful dead end to me. It will be interesting!
Actually what's interesting to me is that with the criminal case one has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt which is generally a high bar, but the civil case has the more likely true than not caveat.
I think that caveat depends a lot on the makeup of the jury. Are there enough people in it that say "the one that's more likely true than not, is the one that's got proof", or is the jury filled with people that want to see Mr Cosby fall... so they'll take just an allegation as likely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 20:52:32 GMT -5
Not sure what there is to investigate... without proof. You really don't know how this works do you? I understand how it's supposed to work, quite well. Thanks.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 14, 2015 20:58:16 GMT -5
So now the police are investigating. Good. Not sure what there is to investigate... without proof. I'm pretty sure that's what the investigation is for - to find proof if proof exists. Frankly, I've not paid much attention to this. I don't know what occurred and I'm most likely to never know. I'm not one for conjecture so I've pretty much ignored the whole mess. Still, if someone makes a report to police indicating a crime may have been committed, the police investigate that allegation. The purpose of that investigation is to find any evidence that will prove the allegation true, very possibly true, or false.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 21:04:12 GMT -5
Not sure what there is to investigate... without proof. I'm pretty sure that's what the investigation is for - to find proof if proof exists. Frankly, I've not paid much attention to this. I don't know what occurred and I'm most likely to never know. I'm not one for conjecture so I've pretty much ignored the whole mess. Still, if someone makes a report to police indicating a crime may have been committed, the police investigate that allegation. The purpose of that investigation is to find any evidence that will prove the allegation true, very possibly true, or false. This is why there's no proof though... the "crime scenes" (in quotes because no one knows if there actually was any crime or not) is SERIOUSLY contaminated by now. There's no proof to be collected at this point. It's not like he killed someone and there's a body to be found... or he totaled a car and there's a wrecked car to be found. If he did rape anyone (I'm not saying he did or didn't) the only proof that ever did exist is long gone.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 14, 2015 21:10:41 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that's what the investigation is for - to find proof if proof exists. Frankly, I've not paid much attention to this. I don't know what occurred and I'm most likely to never know. I'm not one for conjecture so I've pretty much ignored the whole mess. Still, if someone makes a report to police indicating a crime may have been committed, the police investigate that allegation. The purpose of that investigation is to find any evidence that will prove the allegation true, very possibly true, or false. This is why there's no proof though... the "crime scenes" (in quotes because no one knows if there actually was any crime or not) is SERIOUSLY contaminated by now. There's no proof to be collected at this point. It's not like he killed someone and there's a body to be found... or he totaled a car and there's a wrecked car to be found. If he did rape anyone (I'm not saying he did or didn't) the only proof that ever did exist is long gone. That's up to the investigative team to decide, Richard. It's not up to you, or to me. That's what investigations are for. If there's no proof to be found, none will be found. If there is proof, or probable cause to go further with the investigation, that's what will happen. We, here on a message board, cannot decide whether an investigation is in order, or not. It's foolish for us to think we can, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 21:24:10 GMT -5
This is why there's no proof though... the "crime scenes" (in quotes because no one knows if there actually was any crime or not) is SERIOUSLY contaminated by now. There's no proof to be collected at this point. It's not like he killed someone and there's a body to be found... or he totaled a car and there's a wrecked car to be found. If he did rape anyone (I'm not saying he did or didn't) the only proof that ever did exist is long gone. That's up to the investigative team to decide, Richard. It's not up to you, or to me. That's what investigations are for. If there's no proof to be found, none will be found. If there is proof, or probable cause to go further with the investigation, that's what will happen. We, here on a message board, cannot decide whether an investigation is in order, or not. It's foolish for us to think we can, IMO. I never said they couldn't or shouldn't be allowed to investigate. I said: " Not sure what there is to investigate... without proof." "Not sure" refers to not understanding what there is to actually go out and actually investigate. They have the statements of the complainants... and where do they go from there? The following is completely fictional, but is along the lines of how any "investigation" would likely proceed After that, where do you think the investigation could go?
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 14, 2015 21:38:02 GMT -5
I don't tend to play "what if" games, Richard. I like facts. I like logic. I avoid chasing possibilities in fictional presentations. Not my thing.
As I said, if an accusation is brought to law enforcement it's the job of law enforcement to investigate that accusation. That's what there is to investigate. Proof isn't required to generate an investigation. It's the other way around. You don't have any idea how an investigation will proceed because you don't know what's been brought to law enforcement and you don't know what their investigation has uncovered, or might uncover. They'll know once they've investigated, if they choose to investigate.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 14, 2015 21:44:20 GMT -5
I don't tend to play "what if" games, Richard. I like facts. I like logic. I avoid chasing possibilities in fictional presentations. Not my thing. As I said, if am accusation is brought to law enforcement it's the job of law enforcement to investigate that accusation. That's what there is to investigate. Proof isn't required to generate an investigation. It's the other way around. You don't have any idea how an investigation will proceed because you don't know what's been brought to law enforcement and you don't know what their investigation has uncovered, or might uncover. They'll know once they've investigated, if they choose to investigate. damn. yr smart.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 14, 2015 21:48:38 GMT -5
I don't tend to play "what if" games, Richard. I like facts. I like logic. I avoid chasing possibilities in fictional presentations. Not my thing. As I said, if am accusation is brought to law enforcement it's the job of law enforcement to investigate that accusation. That's what there is to investigate. Proof isn't required to generate an investigation. It's the other way around. You don't have any idea how an investigation will proceed because you don't know what's been brought to law enforcement and you don't know what their investigation has uncovered, or might uncover. They'll know once they've investigated, if they choose to investigate. damn. yr smart. LOL! Yeah, and now I get a chance to test it. I just heard an ominous crash. I've got to go investigate what highly threatening piece of inanimate decor the cats felt was threatening our security.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jan 14, 2015 22:05:34 GMT -5
Well, here's some recent fodder to discuss. I searched on 'Bill Cosby lawsuit' and someone is within the statute of limitations. But per the video clip she may be or was a Las Vegas lap dancer. Alleged to have occurred at the Playboy mansion in 2008.
www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Bill-Cosby-Sexual-Assault-Accusations-LAPD-288554841.html A woman who says Bill Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her six years ago at a party at the Playboy Mansion met with Los Angeles police Wednesday morning to detail her accusations, her lawyer said.
The accusation by Chloe Goins, 24, come in the wake of sexual assault allegations from more than 15 women against the comedian.
Attorneys for Goins, who was 18 at the time of the alleged assault in 2008, say she is the only accuser who "could be within the statute of limitations to levy criminal and civil charges against the actor."[/p
Stay tuned. Not sure why you felt the need to bring up the fact she was a lap-dancer. Does that mean you think due to her career choice (at the time), it makes her less of a victim - or less of a credible victim?
Do you know how many women who are single mothers make their living as strippers? They don't sleep with the customers. They're doing the only job they can get to put food on the table.
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I don't tend to play "what if" games, Richard. I like facts. I like logic. I avoid chasing possibilities in fictional presentations. Not my thing. As I said, if an accusation is brought to law enforcement it's the job of law enforcement to investigate that accusation. That's what there is to investigate. Proof isn't required to generate an investigation. It's the other way around. You don't have any idea how an investigation will proceed because you don't know what's been brought to law enforcement and you don't know what their investigation has uncovered, or might uncover. They'll know once they've investigated, if they choose to investigate. I don't play "what if" games either. I also like logic, and facts. I also avoid chasing possibilities in fictional presentations. Not my thing either. That's why I don't understand what they could investigate. What I posted wasn't a "what if", it was a "logically thinking, this is likely to be the only outcome I can see of an investigation... does anyone see something I missed?"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 22:17:49 GMT -5
Well, here's some recent fodder to discuss. I searched on 'Bill Cosby lawsuit' and someone is within the statute of limitations. But per the video clip she may be or was a Las Vegas lap dancer. Alleged to have occurred at the Playboy mansion in 2008.
www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Bill-Cosby-Sexual-Assault-Accusations-LAPD-288554841.html A woman who says Bill Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her six years ago at a party at the Playboy Mansion met with Los Angeles police Wednesday morning to detail her accusations, her lawyer said.
The accusation by Chloe Goins, 24, come in the wake of sexual assault allegations from more than 15 women against the comedian.
Attorneys for Goins, who was 18 at the time of the alleged assault in 2008, say she is the only accuser who "could be within the statute of limitations to levy criminal and civil charges against the actor."[/p
Stay tuned. Not sure why you felt the need to bring up the fact she was a lap-dancer. Does that mean you think due to her career choice (at the time), it makes her less of a victim - or less of a credible victim?
Do you know how many women who are single mothers make their living as strippers? They don't sleep with the customers. They're doing the only job they can get to put food on the table. LOL... I agree. I was confused by that reference as well. If she was making her money doing illegal activities, it would have some bearing on her credibility... but... last I heard being a "lap dancer" was perfectly legal.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 14, 2015 22:18:47 GMT -5
I don't tend to play "what if" games, Richard. I like facts. I like logic. I avoid chasing possibilities in fictional presentations. Not my thing. As I said, if an accusation is brought to law enforcement it's the job of law enforcement to investigate that accusation. That's what there is to investigate. Proof isn't required to generate an investigation. It's the other way around. You don't have any idea how an investigation will proceed because you don't know what's been brought to law enforcement and you don't know what their investigation has uncovered, or might uncover. They'll know once they've investigated, if they choose to investigate. I don't play "what if" games either. I also like logic, and facts. I also avoid chasing possibilities in fictional presentations. Not my thing either. That's why I don't understand what they could investigate. What I posted wasn't a "what if", it was a "logically thinking, this is likely to be the only outcome I can see of an investigation... does anyone see something I missed?"Thing is, Richard, it isn't important what you understand of their choice to investigate, or not investigate. It isn't important what outcomes you may see, or not see. What's important is what they decide to do, how they do it, and what results are obtained. They're the ones with whatever information is available. You and I do not have that advantage.
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Post by midjd on Jan 14, 2015 22:23:40 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who investigates allegations (often from less-than-credible witnesses) on a daily basis -- if you go into it with a mindset of "X is likely the only outcome," you're not going to be very successful.
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