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Post by dannylion on Jan 27, 2015 11:44:55 GMT -5
This thread has reminded me of a Washington Post article on the Federal Page many years ago about what happened when DoJ began a regular drug-testing program. The first test was going to be on a specific date and then random from then on. The date of the first test was announced months in advance with reminders at regular intervals, I think becoming more frequent as the date got closer. Everyone knew when they would be tested for the first time with the new drug-testing program. They still came up with a significant number of positive results. I can still recall the columnist's take on this experience: At that point, it wasn't a drug test anymore; it was an intelligence test.
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Post by Bonny on Jan 27, 2015 12:34:23 GMT -5
This thread has reminded me of a Washington Post article on the Federal Page many years ago about what happened when DoJ began a regular drug-testing program. The first test was going to be on a specific date and then random from then on. The date of the first test was announced months in advance with reminders at regular intervals, I think becoming more frequent as the date got closer. Everyone knew when they would be tested for the first time with the new drug-testing program. They still came up with a significant number of positive results. I can still recall the columnist's take on this experience: At that point, it wasn't a drug test anymore; it was an intelligence test. LOL, many years ago I was discussing drug testing with my manager who was 25 years my senior. I told him the best benefit of the mandatory pre-employment drug testing was that it screened out STUPID drug users. He gave me a funny look like this:
Funny story though; there was a temp Executive Secretary (woman in her 50s back then) who failed TWICE despite knowing exactly when the test was. She kept saying the thought of taking the test made her nervous and it was the only way she knew how to relax.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jan 27, 2015 14:02:51 GMT -5
This thread has reminded me of a Washington Post article on the Federal Page many years ago about what happened when DoJ began a regular drug-testing program. The first test was going to be on a specific date and then random from then on. The date of the first test was announced months in advance with reminders at regular intervals, I think becoming more frequent as the date got closer. Everyone knew when they would be tested for the first time with the new drug-testing program. They still came up with a significant number of positive results. I can still recall the columnist's take on this experience: At that point, it wasn't a drug test anymore; it was an intelligence test. LOL, many years ago I was discussing drug testing with my manager who was 25 years my senior. I told him the best benefit of the mandatory pre-employment drug testing was that it screened out STUPID drug users. He gave me a funny look like this:
Funny story though; there was a temp Executive Secretary (woman in her 50s back then) who failed TWICE despite knowing exactly when the test was. She kept saying the thought of taking the test made her nervous and it was the only way she knew how to relax.
When I worked in manufacturing, we worked graveyard. There was a guy there I was pretty sure was on meth or some other upper (He had the meth mouth, had loads of energy at 3AM, and we were located in a city known for "tweakers"). At any rtae, he got hurt on the job and had to test. He failed but claimed his "dentist prescribed the drug" (Umm, dentists don't prescribe amphetamnes...). Needless to say, he got fired for drug use. A week later, his sister applies. They were going to hire her (he was a good employee despite the drug issue). She gets to the pre-employment drug screen and pops positive for amphetamines. Umm, your brother got fired for this last week... why would you try that? SHe missed out on a great job (full benefits, no education needed, plenty of hours, paid tuition, etc)
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 28, 2015 8:18:53 GMT -5
This thread has reminded me of a Washington Post article on the Federal Page many years ago about what happened when DoJ began a regular drug-testing program. The first test was going to be on a specific date and then random from then on. The date of the first test was announced months in advance with reminders at regular intervals, I think becoming more frequent as the date got closer. Everyone knew when they would be tested for the first time with the new drug-testing program. They still came up with a significant number of positive results. I can still recall the columnist's take on this experience: At that point, it wasn't a drug test anymore; it was an intelligence test. LOL, many years ago I was discussing drug testing with my manager who was 25 years my senior. I told him the best benefit of the mandatory pre-employment drug testing was that it screened out STUPID drug users. He gave me a funny look like this:
Funny story though; there was a temp Executive Secretary (woman in her 50s back then) who failed TWICE despite knowing exactly when the test was. She kept saying the thought of taking the test made her nervous and it was the only way she knew how to relax.
I have told this story before on these boards. One of our employees was terminated after she tested positive for cocaine use. As the HR rep, I sat in on her termination appeals hearing where she asked for reinstatement. She claimed she did not use cocaine. She stated her boyfriend did use and the cocaine must have entered her system after she orally serviced him. The appeals board did not buy her story.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jan 28, 2015 11:02:48 GMT -5
LOL, many years ago I was discussing drug testing with my manager who was 25 years my senior. I told him the best benefit of the mandatory pre-employment drug testing was that it screened out STUPID drug users. He gave me a funny look like this:
Funny story though; there was a temp Executive Secretary (woman in her 50s back then) who failed TWICE despite knowing exactly when the test was. She kept saying the thought of taking the test made her nervous and it was the only way she knew how to relax.
I have told this story before on these boards. One of our employees was terminated after she tested positive for cocaine use. As the HR rep, I sat in on her termination appeals hearing where she asked for reinstatement. She claimed she did not use cocaine. She stated her boyfriend did use and the cocaine must have entered her system after she orally serviced him. The appeals board did not buy her story. There is no job in the history of the earth that is worth me describing my sex life if front of my coworkers!!!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 28, 2015 11:11:34 GMT -5
I have told this story before on these boards. One of our employees was terminated after she tested positive for cocaine use. As the HR rep, I sat in on her termination appeals hearing where she asked for reinstatement. She claimed she did not use cocaine. She stated her boyfriend did use and the cocaine must have entered her system after she orally serviced him. The appeals board did not buy her story. There is no job in the history of the earth that is worth me describing my sex life if front of my coworkers!!! Folks with class usually don't.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jan 28, 2015 11:33:42 GMT -5
Here was a stupid case.. "Like a sexually transmitted disease, c ocaine had worked into Air Force Capt. Jacqueline Chester’s system during intercourse with her ex-husband, unbeknown to her. That was to be her defense on a drug charge — until Feb. 3. Then the pediatric nurse pleaded guilty to wrongful use of a controlled substance during her court-martial at Dover Air Force Base, Del. A second, positive urinalysis test showed the “ex-husband defense” wasn’t the full story. " She tried to claim that the cocaine in her system came from her ex-husband's junk (He put it on the tip to prolong pleasure). Then she popped positive during the trial... www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/228218_USAF_Nurse__Coke_on_cock_defense_goes_limp__GUILTY_.html
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 28, 2015 11:35:17 GMT -5
She stated her boyfriend did use and the cocaine must have entered her system after she orally serviced him. Did you reply "And thank you for clearing up that burning question everyone had about you".
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Post by Abby Normal on Jan 28, 2015 11:42:21 GMT -5
I have told this story before on these boards. One of our employees was terminated after she tested positive for cocaine use. As the HR rep, I sat in on her termination appeals hearing where she asked for reinstatement. She claimed she did not use cocaine. She stated her boyfriend did use and the cocaine must have entered her system after she orally serviced him. The appeals board did not buy her story.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 28, 2015 11:44:24 GMT -5
She stated her boyfriend did use and the cocaine must have entered her system after she orally serviced him. Did you reply "And thank you for clearing up that burning question everyone had about you". No. But we did have to bite our tongues not to openly laugh at her.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 28, 2015 11:44:56 GMT -5
She stated her boyfriend did use and the cocaine must have entered her system after she orally serviced him. Did you reply "And thank you for clearing up that burning question everyone had about you". No. But we did have to bite our tongues not to openly laugh at her. Most women have performed oral. No need to judge.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 28, 2015 12:06:56 GMT -5
can that actually happen though? Just curious.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Jan 28, 2015 12:21:14 GMT -5
My guess is the amount passed through any bodily fluids is very very low to begin with, and then once processed by one's own liver & systems the amount left to excrete in urine or blood would be almost undetectible. Or, at least that's how it works with breastmilk and drugs/alcohol (the way my doc explained it when I was concerned if things I am taking would affect J).
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 28, 2015 12:25:40 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure coke doesn't get into seminal fluid and if it did it would be such a small amount that it'd be untraceable. You might get lucky and catch it on a Mass Spec but no way it'd show up in a drug test.
It's downright impossible that there'd be enough coke in seminal fluid that after it is *ahem* it would make it thru the digestive system and out the kidneys in a sufficient amount to be traceable in a urine test.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 28, 2015 17:08:25 GMT -5
can that actually happen though? Just curious. If the boyfriend did, say 1-2 kilos of coke an night, and she 'serviced' him 15-20 times a night, it might register in the recipient's system.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 29, 2015 14:32:27 GMT -5
It said the he would put it on his penis so the pleasure would be prolonged. In that case, she would absorb some. Not sure how much he smeared on the man parts, but...still seems like an unlikely story.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 29, 2015 14:44:02 GMT -5
In that case, she would absorb someShe'd be dead if he used enough coke to be able to get it to a detectable level via urine test. I don't think it'd even be physically possible to do it anymore by the time he got enough coke on there to accomplish her claim.
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Post by beergut on Jan 30, 2015 2:17:24 GMT -5
It said the he would put it on his penis so the pleasure would be prolonged. In that case, she would absorb some. Not sure how much he smeared on the man parts, but...still seems like an unlikely story. I read a book about the casino build-up in Vegas during the late '80s-'90s, and in it, the author interviewed a working girl. One of the things she was warned about by other 'veterans' was to never put cocaine on the head of male genitalia, because it would numb it. Since the goal is to get the john off as quickly as possible, this defeats the purpose. So saying it would 'prolong the pleasure' is false.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 30, 2015 8:14:35 GMT -5
It said the he would put it on his penis so the pleasure would be prolonged. In that case, she would absorb some. Not sure how much he smeared on the man parts, but...still seems like an unlikely story. I read a book about the casino build-up in Vegas during the late '80s-'90s, and in it, the author interviewed a working girl. One of the things she was warned about by other 'veterans' was to never put cocaine on the head of male genitalia, because it would numb it. Since the goal is to get the john off as quickly as possible, this defeats the purpose. So saying it would 'prolong the pleasure' is false. Maybe he was prolonging the pleasure for the woman not himself.
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Post by beergut on Jan 31, 2015 3:49:26 GMT -5
Maybe he was prolonging the pleasure for the woman not himself. I believe doing so would simply numb her mouth.
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