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Post by billisonboard on Nov 5, 2014 19:04:43 GMT -5
I am in Washington state. Once things settle out a little more, I plan on getting a little "bud light" although I haven't smoked anything in 30 plus years. I was in Idaho in my teens and we had low potency grass that just gave a pleasant buzz. Stuff I had later elsewhere just knocked me out. No fun. I hope that I will be able to find something in the stores which will please me.
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Post by justme on Nov 5, 2014 19:05:16 GMT -5
Hopefully people did not make their decision based on an ad campaign. "I hate the taste of Coke but love their commercial so I am buying some." A bigger risk is that an ad that's perceived badly can sour people on the item being advertised. Here in Florida, medical marijuana seemed almost a shoo-in until one of the state's biggest perceived jerks started advertising to support it. We have this obnoxious ambulance chasing attorney down here who advertises relentlessly on TV, radio, print, everywhere. Standard awful stuff, "Stub your toe? Call me and I'll get you a million dollars!" Anyway, Ambulance Chaser is a huge supporter of medical marijuana (for actually a very good reason, he has a disabled brother that has ongoing pain management issues from a severe accident) and started making commercials for the medical marijuana referendum. Unfortunately for him, people hate Ambulance Chaser so much, his "support" actually helped tank the vote here. Hmm, guess old people really hate him then! A friend posted that it passed in every age group but the 60+ and they had a large turnout. Rumor that I heard was the guy was poised to open stores as soon as it passed raking in the big bucks. Personally, after having ran into his drunk ass in a club I would have loved to run into him stoned some day!
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Post by Formerly SK on Nov 6, 2014 0:25:59 GMT -5
I am in Washington state. Once things settle out a little more, I plan on getting a little "bud light" although I haven't smoked anything in 30 plus years. I was in Idaho in my teens and we had low potency grass that just gave a pleasant buzz. Stuff I had later elsewhere just knocked me out. No fun. I hope that I will be able to find something in the stores which will please me. Yeah, I thought about popping into a store and getting some just to experience legal buying, but it's so overpriced legally the YM in me can't do it. I don't smoke (no point it just puts me to sleep) but I know enough upper income "responsible" people that do so I don't judge. I actually wish I could - smoking has less calories than alcohol. Much easier on the waistline to smoke than drink. There's still the stigma, though. I can't imagine a co-worker admitting to smoking pot (I work in a school). DH works for an engineering firm - no one talks about pot there. A group gathers for a beer after work maybe once/month. I doubt anyone would say "Hey let's share a joint" instead of having a drink. So in many ways, legality hasn't changed things very much.
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Post by truthbound on Nov 6, 2014 5:14:25 GMT -5
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Post by Firebird on Nov 6, 2014 10:40:01 GMT -5
I actually wish I could - smoking has less calories than alcohol. Much easier on the waistline to smoke than drink.Not once the munchies hit!
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 6, 2014 10:41:30 GMT -5
Oh, God, the munchies, I forgot about those. Lifesavers were my downfall.
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Post by Abby Normal on Nov 6, 2014 11:06:28 GMT -5
We were sent a report yesterday from one of the agencies we deal with in Washington. They've had a 50% increase in positive work related drug tests since the law passed.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 6, 2014 11:27:01 GMT -5
We were sent a report yesterday from one of the agencies we deal with in Washington. They've had a 50% increase in positive work related drug tests since the law passed. Was that from 2 to 3 per hundred or from 20 to 30?
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Post by midwestlily on Nov 6, 2014 11:27:56 GMT -5
This is my favorite version of the Brewer and Shipley song -- from the Lawrence Welk Show:
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Nov 6, 2014 11:31:28 GMT -5
I don't think it's possible to keep pot smoking to yourself in your home or car because the smoke permeates everything.
Gag for me, too.
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Post by Abby Normal on Nov 6, 2014 11:51:07 GMT -5
We were sent a report yesterday from one of the agencies we deal with in Washington. They've had a 50% increase in positive work related drug tests since the law passed. Was that from 2 to 3 per hundred or from 20 to 30? Not sure how the calculated. They didn't specify.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 6, 2014 12:03:56 GMT -5
Was that from 2 to 3 per hundred or from 20 to 30? Not sure how the calculated. They didn't specify. A large percentage increase when starting with a small number can make it seem much more significant than it really is.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Nov 6, 2014 12:10:46 GMT -5
Oregon passed a recreational marijuana law yesterday. Three of our employees decided to celebrate by smoking on their break. "It's legal now, we can do whatever we want" That is what one of them said when the supervisor confronted them. umm- law doesn't take effect until July, we still have a substance policy, and the entire facility is non smoking. They are all unemployed now. I hope that toke was worth it. Please tell me one of them was the trash trailer guy
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Post by Abby Normal on Nov 6, 2014 13:36:36 GMT -5
Not sure how the calculated. They didn't specify. A large percentage increase when starting with a small number can make it seem much more significant than it really is. Well, considering who put it out, it's not going to be a small number of tests. But yes, you can manipulate statistics to say basically anything you want them to say. At least 80% of the time that is.
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Post by Formerly SK on Nov 6, 2014 21:37:43 GMT -5
I don't think it's possible to keep pot smoking to yourself in your home or car because the smoke permeates everything. Gag for me, too. Funny, I love the smell of pot! I just don't like how it affects me. (Hate the smell of cigarettes, though.) Same with alcohol - I love to drink because I love the taste. Unfortunately I don't really like to be buzzed/drunk. And no, the non-alcohol versions are not remotely the same.
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Post by 973beachbum on Nov 7, 2014 10:46:03 GMT -5
I wonder if these drug tests will become unlawful now that the laws have changed in those two states. I personally have never smoked it but I don't consider myself better than people who have just because of it. I like a good drink now and then. And I have worked with some people who have gotten seriously shitfaced right after work. For some reason though my drink at dinner won't get me fired, but that joint on Friday night will if they test me later. Those drug tests don't just catch people the next morning. They can find THC in people weeks and even months later. It is weird to me that we spend so much time, energy, and money to go after marijuana users when it is pretty benign compared to other drugs that people could take that wash out of the bodies so quick as to be almost never caught on a drug test. Unless they did the drugs with breakfast that morning.
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Post by Abby Normal on Nov 7, 2014 11:05:32 GMT -5
I wonder if these drug tests will become unlawful now that the laws have changed in those two states. Unless they did the drugs with breakfast that morning. No, Alcohol is legal and you can still test for that. Employers can still set their own policies which includes following the federal law. We are a manufacturing facility- it's not unheard of for some of the employees to be out until 2 am (drinking- smoking etc), then come to work at 6. Not quite for breakfast- but close.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 7, 2014 11:07:13 GMT -5
Because MJ stays so long in your system, the person who comes up with the test that will say whether you're actually impaired or not as opposed to its just in your system will do very well financially! Wish I had the brains to do it.
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Post by 973beachbum on Nov 7, 2014 11:18:26 GMT -5
I wonder if these drug tests will become unlawful now that the laws have changed in those two states. Unless they did the drugs with breakfast that morning. No, Alcohol is legal and you can still test for that. Employers can still set their own policies which includes following the federal law. We are a manufacturing facility- it's not unheard of for some of the employees to be out until 2 am (drinking- smoking etc), then come to work at 6. Not quite for breakfast- but close. But that was my point. Alcohol showing up in a drug test really is showing that they are still impaired. But marijuana showing up in a drug test only proves that the person has ingested it at some point. It doesn't even pretend that is shows if the person has ingested it recently. At my second job they drug test and I know for a fact that some of the employees do things I would rather my own kids didn't. I asked one right out how he passed the drug test. He answered that those tests only know what is in your system right that second and amphetimines(I can't spell ) wash out in 3 days. So all he had to do was stay away from them for one weekend. So why are we testing for a legal drug in one instance knowing that the test doesn't show what is actually in their system right then but what they did in the past and not caring about the illegal ones in the other that could have been much more recent? My personal feeling is simply because they can.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 11:28:37 GMT -5
IMHO, I believe that it is currently an employer's market and they can choose to screen applicants however they choose.
Hopefully, at some point they have problems hiring and relax the testing on benign weed.....
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Post by swasat on Nov 7, 2014 11:31:17 GMT -5
IMHO, I believe that it is currently an employer's market and they can choose to screen applicants however they choose. Hopefully, at some point they have problems hiring and relax the testing on benign weed..... It has been and it will always be an employer's market IMO. The hand that doles out the money tends to call the shots in the employment world. People can ask for what they want. Company's have the freedom to decide what they want to test on.
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Post by Tiny on Nov 7, 2014 11:37:55 GMT -5
I wonder if these drug tests will become unlawful now that the laws have changed in those two states. I think they will still do drug tests - because I think they catch other stuff - they'll just ignore the marijauna results. I suspect there will be some changes to company's policies - if they don't already have wording to include being high at work is a no-no . They probably have verbage about being drunk/drinking at work. It's not too hard to spot someone who's been drinking (even high functioning alcoholics) or maybe I just have lived with drinkers long enough to spot the signs... Not sure how easy it is to someone who's had enough of a smoke at lunch to impair their work when they return to the office.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 11:38:44 GMT -5
IMHO, I believe that it is currently an employer's market and they can choose to screen applicants however they choose. Hopefully, at some point they have problems hiring and relax the testing on benign weed..... It has been and it will always be an employer's market IMO. The hand that doles out the money tends to call the shots in the employment world. People can ask for what they want. Company's have the freedom to decide what they want to test on. True. But, when they can't find employees who don't test positive for weed, then what? My area currently has this problem. We are a weed growing mecca where many people agree that weed is much better for recreation/sleep/medication than many other options. This makes local businesses have a very hard time finding people to hire... I find it ridiculous that companies test for receptionists, clerks, etc... for a drug that in many instances is legal, and where the metabolites stay in the body for 30+ days post use. I have mentioned in the past, and will say it again, I have NEVER used weed at work or before working. That is an ethical issue, IMHO. Just as I would never go down a beer or two and then head out to work or drive. What I choose to do with my non-working time, as long as it is legal, is my business.
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Post by Abby Normal on Nov 7, 2014 11:40:59 GMT -5
No, Alcohol is legal and you can still test for that. Employers can still set their own policies which includes following the federal law. We are a manufacturing facility- it's not unheard of for some of the employees to be out until 2 am (drinking- smoking etc), then come to work at 6. Not quite for breakfast- but close. But that was my point. Alcohol showing up in a drug test really is showing that they are still impaired. But marijuana showing up in a drug test only proves that the person has ingested it at some point. It doesn't even pretend that is shows if the person has ingested it recently. At my second job they drug test and I know for a fact that some of the employees do things I would rather my own kids didn't. I asked one right out how he passed the drug test. He answered that those tests only know what is in your system right that second and amphetimines(I can't spell ) wash out in 3 days. So all he had to do was stay away from them for one weekend. So why are we testing for a legal drug in one instance knowing that the test doesn't show what is actually in their system right then but what they did in the past and not caring about the illegal ones in the other that could have been much more recent? My personal feeling is simply because they can. You are correct that "all one has to do is stay away for one weekend". However, that only works for pre employment test when you know you are going to have it. Because we are a production facility and work with hazardous equipment, we test pre employment, for cause, randomly and our vehicle drivers are tested once a month. We drug test the entire crew at random. You can test the levels of THC. THC takes time to build up in your system so they guy who smoked last night (and only last night) won't test positive the next day. The guy who routinely smokes will test positive. You can test for the level of THC in their system which helps determine when they last used and their level of impairment. Washington is using 5ng/ml for driving. There are also swab tests which determines if you've smoked in the last xx hours. ( I can't remember what the hours are off the top of my head). We've started using the 5ng as a guideline in our Washington facility. If they fall below that on a first time positive, we'll cut them some slack. But if they are above that, or have a second positive with a particular time frame, they are dismissed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 11:41:45 GMT -5
<MPL is packing up and heading to where Shasta lives to land herself a really good job>
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Post by swasat on Nov 7, 2014 11:44:11 GMT -5
It has been and it will always be an employer's market IMO. The hand that doles out the money tends to call the shots in the employment world. People can ask for what they want. Company's have the freedom to decide what they want to test on. True. But, when they can't find employees who don't test positive for weed, then what? My area currently has this problem. We are a weed growing mecca where many people agree that weed is much better for recreation/sleep/medication than many other options. This makes local businesses have a very hard time finding people to hire... I find it ridiculous that companies test for receptionists, clerks, etc... for a drug that in many instances is legal, and where the metabolites stay in the body for 30+ days post use. I have mentioned in the past, and will say it again, I have NEVER used weed at work or before working. That is an ethical issue, IMHO. Just as I would never go down a beer or two and then head out to work or drive. What I choose to do with my non-working time, as long as it is legal, is my business. Thats you. People in general though, tend to extremely stupid things. You may be ethical about drug usage, that doesn't make the majority of people ethical too. And what one tends to do in their personal time, IF it starts impacting the business in any way, then yes, it matters to them. And it becomes THEIR business then. This thread is about how people can be incredilbly stupid. So yes, it IS stupid to use drugs while at work. Its also stupid to use drugs if you know you are applying for a job that does drug testing. If one wants such a job, they must deal with what the employer wants to test on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 11:54:44 GMT -5
My ex used to get high before work and smoked on the job. Maybe they'll need to come up with a new test, but employers have to have a way to be able to fire someone they know is high on the job.
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Post by Ombud on Jan 27, 2015 8:32:14 GMT -5
I actually wish I could - smoking has less calories than alcohol. Much easier on the waistline to smoke than drink.Not once the munchies hit! Invest in pizza franchises
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Post by Ombud on Jan 27, 2015 8:38:39 GMT -5
But, when they can't find employees who don't test positive for weed, then what? .... This makes local businesses have a very hard time finding people to hire... So the tide has turned & there's a lot of unfilled jobs up there now??
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 27, 2015 8:54:21 GMT -5
There is a reason why lawyers exist, and that is because so many people don't understand the law. My favorite is "My employer can't fire me for bad talking them because of the first amendment."
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