Mom, he is soooo sweet!!

[Apple]

Grab her and move her away as far as possible.  Quick!

She's smart, she's cute, and you're going to have a rough few years ahead of you.  Hope your liver is ready

[Works4me]

Awww - there, there Ratchets - you will always be her first love and her daddy. It is actually a good sign that she likes him because she thinks he is sweet. 

Just wait until the day she says she has found a boy just like you!

 - you're welcome! 

[alabamagal]

I have a girl and 2 boys.  I always thought that I treated them equally.   But when DD gets a boyfriend, want to know all about him and worry that he is treating her right.  Boys get GF and we are happy!

I just realize that there are girl's parent's looking at my boys and checking them out.  I hope they make a good impression.  I think they do.

[tloonya]

 This is why there were no Santa Claus or Tooth ferry. It was US. Parents and grandparents who provided all material everything!!!
When we bought her first nice diamond set for 16th BDay I said 'hon, you getting it so you know your engagement ring should not be smaller'.
And there we go. If boy is paying for something - it is just that. Boy is paying for something...

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

Well, I'm in the "lock 'em up" camp! Haven't done it yet, but I think about it every day. 

Where is the line for sainthood?

[moon/Laura]

Oct 18, 2014 8:48:50 GMT -5 tloonya said:

your engagement ring should not be smaller'.

what the??! are you telling me the size of the engagement ring is somehow supposed to prove how much the guy loves you?? that is the dumbest and most materialistic thing EVER.

[thyme4change]

Actually, I would take that text as a good sign.  If he really is sweet, then you are in pretty good shape - as she picking nice guys.  If the text said "He is hot" or "You should see his motorcycle"  then you've got trouble in river city.  But being attracted to sweet boys and learning to date, and control yourself and get your heart broken all within the safety net of your parents' house will be a big advantage.  I bet you will be able to teach her to keep her head on straight.  

[cronewitch]

Scary is my great niece had her first date. She and the young man have Down Syndrome and she has had a major crush on him for a few years. She will never be unsupervised since she is a little boy crazy at 15. The young man is older I think he is about 20. She used to think he was a man and she was a girl and a girl couldn't date a man. She tried to fix her mother up with him since mom was a woman she could date a man. She was supposed to go to the prom with a group of friends not a date, got a beautiful dress. The photos were of the two special needs couples going as couples so looks like not a group of friends after all. The young man is a sweet young man but the last thing we need is another generation.

[tloonya]

Oct 18, 2014 11:07:35 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Oct 18, 2014 8:48:50 GMT -5 tloonya said:

your engagement ring should not be smaller'.

what the??! are you telling me the size of the engagement ring is somehow supposed to prove how much the guy loves you?? that is the dumbest and most materialistic thing EVER.

I know.
It is not how much he loves you. Its how wealthy he is. Financial security etc. Don't tell me it doesn't matter.

[moon/Laura]

Oct 19, 2014 8:18:38 GMT -5 tloonya said:

Oct 18, 2014 11:07:35 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

what the??! are you telling me the size of the engagement ring is somehow supposed to prove how much the guy loves you?? that is the dumbest and most materialistic thing EVER.

I know.
It is not how much he loves you. Its how wealthy he is. Financial security etc. Don't tell me it doesn't matter.

only to someone who is self centered and materialistic. I don't personally give a rat's ass about a man's wealth, as long as he's employed. I'd rather have a poor man who treats me right than some rich asshole.

[tloonya]

Oct 19, 2014 9:46:20 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Oct 19, 2014 8:18:38 GMT -5 tloonya said:

I know.
It is not how much he loves you. Its how wealthy he is. Financial security etc. Don't tell me it doesn't matter.

only to someone who is self centered and materialistic. I don't personally give a rat's ass about a man's wealth, as long as he's employed. I'd rather have a poor man who treats me right than some rich asshole.

Why is  it rich always an asshole? huh?
Why can't rich be a nice guy? Sometimes I think a lot of people here are commies. The way they treat rich in capitalistic country like ours.
I rather my daughter to have a profession she is getting, having money and be married to a nice filthy rich guy. Who will treat her with respect and love her to death.

I am having very little understanding how is it working when you married to a 'employed' person who busting his balls at low paying job,
warned out by inability to pay bills on time, probably drinking to relax, impotent due to a stress...how is it better?
And how many of these 'employed' guys are actually know how to treat a woman?

[moon/Laura]

They're not always assholes, loony. But nor are they always nice. How much money a man makes has NOTHING to do with how well they treat a woman. Treating a woman right doesn't necessarily entail spending money. It's more about attitude, how generous they are of their time and emotions, that sort of thing.

Not being rich doesn't automatically mean they have problems paying their bills either. That means the drinking/impotence argument is invalid. A rich guy can drink too much/be stressed /be impotent just as easily.

So the issue is that you're materialistic and I'm not. I just can't be all about that greed.

[tloonya]

Oct 20, 2014 10:49:45 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

They're not always assholes, loony. But nor are they always nice. How much money a man makes has NOTHING to do with how well they treat a woman. Treating a woman right doesn't necessarily entail spending money. It's more about attitude, how generous they are of their time and emotions, that sort of thing.

Not being rich doesn't automatically mean they have problems paying their bills either. That means the drinking/impotence argument is invalid. A rich guy can drink too much/be stressed /be impotent just as easily.

So the issue is that you're materialistic and I'm not. I just can't be all about that greed.

They are NOT always an assholes? Seriously? So why are you starting this from I rather her married poor nice than rich asshole?
It is so cliché. Border jealousy. To those who married rich and nice.

And yes, treating woman nice is easier when you have money than when you don't and figuring out how to buy her $5K ring for $100.
..because she had just mentioned her friend got one. Or so...

And where is my answer to how about to marry nice filthy rich guy? Is it not better than poor nice guy?

[moon/Laura]

You're missing the point. Having money doesn't equate to be treated nicely. Yes, it may mean you get "things". But so what? All the things in the world are worth nothing if he comes home and verbally and /or physically abuses the wife! Not saying that's guaranteed, but it certainly does happen and you're acting like you wouldn't care as long as that guy was rich and can buy you endless amounts of ... whatever.

That's why I said I'd rather have a poorer man who treats me right than a rich asshole. Material things are not that important to me, but they clearly are to you. I didn't grow up spoiled (not saying you did either) so it's just not a big deal to me.

How to marry a rich nice guy vs poorer nice guy? No idea, nor do I care. I judge the person, not the wallet.

[tloonya]

Oct 20, 2014 11:11:37 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

You're missing the point. Having money doesn't equate to be treated nicely. Yes, it may mean you get "things". But so what? All the things in the world are worth nothing if he comes home and verbally and /or physically abuses the wife! Not saying that's guaranteed, but it certainly does happen and you're acting like you wouldn't care as long as that guy was rich and can buy you endless amounts of ... whatever.

That's why I said I'd rather have a poorer man who treats me right than a rich asshole. Material things are not that important to me, but they clearly are to you. I didn't grow up spoiled (not saying you did either) so it's just not a big deal to me.

I do understand what you are saying (and I was sure you are going to say that) - howhever in a country where we value personal wealth it seems like
lately rich became equal bad.  It blows my mind!!!
Who will pay for wealfare if we are going to praise poor? Africa?

Why when saying I want my daughter to marry rich (I didn't say ANY rich and I meant good one ofcourse, I am a mother) - why reader thinks 'bad rich' man vs 'sure, I would like mine marry rich as well' (thinking great, professional, SMART, hard working rich man)

[moon/Laura]

and all I'm trying to say is that wealth shouldn't matter. Sure, it can be nice. But people put way too much emphasis on it, like it's going to solve all problems, or make life magically wonderful.

[tloonya]

Oct 20, 2014 12:02:08 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

and all I'm trying to say is that wealth shouldn't matter. Sure, it can be nice. But people put way too much emphasis on it, like it's going to solve all problems, or make life magically wonderful.

I say those who don't have it wouldn't ever know, right? No need for examples. There will always be opposite examples to those.


I want to ask why are we not quoting anymore? A lot of times I have no idea I was spoken to because people do not quote.
And it is a new thing. We used to quote all the time so we can reply to all who spoken to us.

[mmhmm]

Oct 20, 2014 11:43:05 GMT -5 tloonya said:

Oct 20, 2014 11:11:37 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

You're missing the point. Having money doesn't equate to be treated nicely. Yes, it may mean you get "things". But so what? All the things in the world are worth nothing if he comes home and verbally and /or physically abuses the wife! Not saying that's guaranteed, but it certainly does happen and you're acting like you wouldn't care as long as that guy was rich and can buy you endless amounts of ... whatever.

That's why I said I'd rather have a poorer man who treats me right than a rich asshole. Material things are not that important to me, but they clearly are to you. I didn't grow up spoiled (not saying you did either) so it's just not a big deal to me.

I do understand what you are saying (and I was sure you are going to say that) - howhever in a country where we value personal wealth it seems like
lately rich became equal bad.  It blows my mind!!!
Who will pay for wealfare if we are going to praise poor? Africa?

Why when saying I want my daughter to marry rich (I didn't say ANY rich and I meant good one ofcourse, I am a mother) - why reader thinks 'bad rich' man vs 'sure, I would like mine marry rich as well' (thinking great, professional, SMART, hard working rich man)

WE do not, necessarily, value personal wealth. WE are individuals. Some of us put more emphasis on personal wealth than others. Some are perfectly happy to be able to live comfortably. They're not all that interested in accumulating wealth. To others, personal wealth accumulation is far more important. To still others, the accumulation of things/stuff and the cost of the latest <insert bling here> is more important. Depends on the person. Any of those can be "good" people, just as any can be wastes of DNA.

[moon/Laura]

Oct 20, 2014 12:10:13 GMT -5 tloonya said:

I want to ask why are we not quoting anymore? A lot of times I have no idea I was spoken to because people do not quote.
And it is a new thing. We used to quote all the time so we can reply to all who spoken to us.

because the last few times I've replied, I've been the next post after yours so I figure it's obvious that I'm responding to you.

Also, there are a while lot of people who don't quote properly (using the quote button). I don't know why...

[tloonya]

Oct 20, 2014 12:28:11 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Oct 20, 2014 12:10:13 GMT -5 tloonya said:

I want to ask why are we not quoting anymore? A lot of times I have no idea I was spoken to because people do not quote.
And it is a new thing. We used to quote all the time so we can reply to all who spoken to us.

because the last few times I've replied, I've been the next post after yours so I figure it's obvious that I'm responding to you.

Also, there are a while lot of people who don't quote properly (using the quote button). I don't know why...

Its not just me and you, it is a lot of folks here.
Sometimes if several people are responding at the same time - its a mess because you don't know whom who is talking to.
Just an observation.

[moon/Laura]

Oct 20, 2014 12:30:55 GMT -5 tloonya said:

Oct 20, 2014 12:28:11 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

because the last few times I've replied, I've been the next post after yours so I figure it's obvious that I'm responding to you.

Also, there are a while lot of people who don't quote properly (using the quote button). I don't know why...

Its not just me and you, it is a lot of folks here.
Sometimes if several people are responding at the same time - its a mess because you don't know whom who is talking to.
Just an observation.

Yes, and if I respond then see that someone else has gotten in the middle, I'll usually try to go back and edit my post to include the quote. But I'm on my kindle so doing so (editing to add a quote later) is a considerable pita.

[moon/Laura]

there's actually a plugin that will allow you to highlight just a portion of a post, then insert it as a quote attributed to the person you're quoting. But it's got a bug relating to how it processes bbcode (if you have that set as your posting default). So until that gets fixed, I won't install it. I hope it happens soon because then people will have no excuse not to quote correctly.

[hoops902]

It's just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as a poor one!

Of course I didn't even get my wife an engagement ring.  That's why I've got money, i don't spend it on stupid things like jewelry, I save that money!

[tloonya]

Oct 20, 2014 12:57:16 GMT -5 hoops902 said:

It's just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as a poor one!

Of course I didn't even get my wife an engagement ring.  That's why I've got money, i don't spend it on stupid things like jewelry, I save that money!

I've heard that saying  from a client who after ugly divorce went to a right place (like upscale club) and had met her rich man!
The friend who took her to that place told her, listen, it is as easy to get a rich man, you just have to go right places.

And about you, hoops, so you will be considered nice guy or a***e of a rich men?

[hoops902]

Oct 20, 2014 13:27:21 GMT -5 tloonya said:

Oct 20, 2014 12:57:16 GMT -5 hoops902 said:

It's just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as a poor one!

Of course I didn't even get my wife an engagement ring.  That's why I've got money, i don't spend it on stupid things like jewelry, I save that money!

I've heard that saying  from a client who after ugly divorce went to a right place (like upscale club) and had met her rich man!
The friend who took her to that place told her, listen, it is as easy to get a rich man, you just have to go right places.

And about you, hoops, so you will be considered nice guy or a***e of a rich men?

asshole