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Post by billisonboard on Oct 11, 2014 11:07:40 GMT -5
oh well sometimes things just intrigue me
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 11, 2014 11:19:59 GMT -5
Hasn't this been around forever? I remember my report cards stating that i was reading above my grade when I was in elementary school in the 1960s and 70s.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 11, 2014 11:44:35 GMT -5
From the educational philosophy side: Students who are not reading at grade level by the end of their third grade year statistically have a much higher rate of ending up in prison. It's actually how state planners determine how much jail space their going to need in twenty years. (No, I don't have time to find the source.) So, if we (educators, which I am), focus on early childhood literacy, we believe we that is most beneficial to a child's potential adulthood.
From the parenting side: why can't I decide when I teach my child to read. I want my child to play and explore and come to the skill of reading and other skills on my child's own personal cognitive development journey. (I don't subscribe to this wholeheartedly, but it is what I hear most from non-educators and some primary school educators.)
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 11, 2014 11:48:50 GMT -5
Hmm...I'm not sure I answered your actual question. Currently, there are multiple ways to determine grade-level reading. First, there are five facets of reading: phonemic awareness (the sounds letters make alone and blended) word identification (often referred to as sight words; there are 1000 American English sight words. They are broken into hundreds. The first 100 "should" be learned by the end of kindergarten.) vocabulary (knowing the meaning of words) fluency (the rate at which a person can read aloud; generally measured by words per minute) comprehension (understanding and analyzing a text as a whole)
There are levels of progression for each of those. By fifth grade, a student should no longer need to focus on phonemic awareness and should be far more focused on comprehension.
If you'd like a more in depth response, let me know. It may be Sunday before I can do so though.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 11, 2014 13:35:17 GMT -5
Love it! A guy asks what metrics determine reading at grade level, he's given an answer, and he questions the numbers. Why 1000? Why 100 in kindergarten? Because they need a benchmark to measure against. Round numbers make it easy to see where your kid falls. All kindergartners should know these 100 words by the end of kindergarten. If your kid knows more, awesome, they're ahead of their grade level in that facet. If they only know 70, they're behind the rest of their class in that facet. The school can then compile statistics about what percentage of their student body only learned 70% of the material instead of 100%. Yeah that. I suspect the problem is when a parent finds outs out their kid only knows 90 of the words and their response is "OMG!!!! My kid will never learn to read!!! He's so far behind!!! Somebody should do something!!!" or when the kid knows 110 words and the parent's response is "OMG!!! My kid is a F&%King GENIUS!!! He's so far ahead!!! Somebody should do something!!!"
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Post by cronewitch on Oct 11, 2014 13:43:32 GMT -5
They do it to abuse the kids who can't read. My mom says the teacher yelled at her because I couldn't read like it was her fault must have been 2nd grade because she asked my mom want they taught me last year. I believe some children just can't read young. I never studied phonics so just memorized words so it was really hard, I still don't know phonics. I learned to read in 6th grade so didn't end up in prison. I started learning to spell at 49 and am pretty good at it now, normal writing I changed words until I found one I could spell.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 11, 2014 15:49:45 GMT -5
Well, I suppose I could have phrased it "we stopped counting at 1000". Personally, I know far more than the 1000, but I read a lot. A sight word is simply a word you know by sights and don't have to decode.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:36:07 GMT -5
I don't have a lot of time but 1) common core doesn't assign grade levels that I know of, have you actually read the standards?
My my son went from non reading beginning 3rd grade to on grade level (as scored on end of year required testing) at the end of year. That was just his year. It didn't to take 4-6 years to teach him to read at a 3rd grade level, only about 5-6 months of practice once he was ready.
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Post by DagnyT on Oct 13, 2014 8:37:31 GMT -5
Well, I suppose I could have phrased it "we stopped counting at 1000". Personally, I know far more than the 1000, but I read a lot. A sight word is simply a word you know by sights and don't have to decode. Aren't sight words the words that don't follow phonics rules, so they have to be learned by "sight" and not "phonemic awareness"? I no longer have to decode words and that does not magically make them sight words.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Oct 13, 2014 8:45:15 GMT -5
...:::"...much jail space their going to need...":::... (I know it was probably autoinserted, but I couldn't resist).
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