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Post by greeniis10 on Oct 9, 2014 13:52:43 GMT -5
I've been all over the map on this topic. I never drank at all as a teenager. Didn't have my first drink until I was 23, maybe 24? Hardly drank at all. Maybe weddings or holidays. Then when DH and I got married he and his whole family are heavy drinkers. There is no occasion that does not revolve around alcohol. At first I abstained. Then I got tired of being around drunk people and always being the DD, so I decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em! That lead to several years of weekend partying. Nothing during the week but we'd often have loud, rowdy backyard parties lasting until the alcohol was gone and the liquor stores were closed.
Then in 2012 I started adding heavy lifting into my workouts and went low-carb. Oh, boy, I still remember how once ketosis kicked in the alcohol just about killed me. I was only drinking wine at the time, but for some reason I completely lost my taste for it and I got really sick. I lost 10 lbs., couldn't eat, and it took me 2 months to get back to my regular workouts. I stopped drinking completely for 2 years.
I'm still low-carb and I cannot even smell wine without getting ill, but I now regularly have Crystal Light lemonade with Bicardi Limon rum or silver tequila and a bit of lemon juice. Probably 2 - 3 drinks most nights. But I measure my alcohol since I track it so I have 3 - 4 oz. per night. Doesn't seem bad to me, but it may be, IDK. I do know that I like to sip a drink after my shower after my workout. It feels like it goes straight to my muscles and relaxes them immediately. Ahhh...
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Post by amishgal on Oct 9, 2014 13:55:42 GMT -5
Hmmm, probably 3 glasses of wine 5 nights a week, so right around 15. This is a normal week, much more on vacation, holidays and when I have to see my MIL. I do sometimes wonder what our recycling guys think when they hoist up that clinking bin! Years ago in college I worked at a drive thru that sold beer, wine and the low proof booze. You would be amazed at how much people drink! I think the hard core drinkers frequent those places not only because it's convenient, no one but the cashier sees how much you buy. We had one lady who came through twice (sometimes 3 times) a week and each time she would buy 4 bottles of vodka and 1 2-liter of Diet Coke. Her skin, hair, nails, everything were just nasty. Ah, Jager & Dr. Pepper with a little 151 on top that you light, flaming Dr. Peppers! Couldn't do one today if you paid me, but I had my share in my 20's.
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Post by lexxy703 on Oct 9, 2014 14:10:14 GMT -5
I have a few drinks every night so I am in the higher range but 74 sounds like a whole lot. Someone calculated that equals 2 gallons & that sounds close to impossible to me.
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Post by imawino on Oct 9, 2014 14:15:25 GMT -5
Zero for me .... DH will have a small glass of wine about once a month.
My one and only drink of hard liquor was at the age of 17. The folks went out and I stayed home with lil bro. They had a drink before they left and the bottle of Jack Daniels had a few drops in the bottom. So I up-ended it.
Geeeeeeeeesh. I was 17, I'm now 73. I can still feel that liquor burning my throat.
I don't care for the alcohol 'bite' in my mouth. You know, it's quite possible your palate has changed a lot since you were 17. LOL. I hope you have branched out a little in all sorts of ways since then. Drink, don't drink, whatever - I just can't imagine trying a few drops of something as a kid and then refusing to ever try any sort of liquor again on that basis.
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Post by imawino on Oct 9, 2014 14:18:37 GMT -5
As for me, let's just say I drink regularly. I'm in the top group, but like most of the rest of you, I can't imagine 74 drinks a week, unless they are calculating them by the thimble? Or wine is a shot glass? Huh. I may try that after work.
I am truly astounded at the number of people here who never drink. It seems so odd. I don't really know many people in real life at all who never drink.
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Post by greeniis10 on Oct 9, 2014 14:23:37 GMT -5
Hmmm, probably 3 glasses of wine 5 nights a week, so right around 15. This is a normal week, much more on vacation, holidays and when I have to see my MIL. I do sometimes wonder what our recycling guys think when they hoist up that clinking bin! Years ago in college I worked at a drive thru that sold beer, wine and the low proof booze. You would be amazed at how much people drink! I think the hard core drinkers frequent those places not only because it's convenient, no one but the cashier sees how much you buy. We had one lady who came through twice (sometimes 3 times) a week and each time she would buy 4 bottles of vodka and 1 2-liter of Diet Coke. Her skin, hair, nails, everything were just nasty. Ah, Jager & Dr. Pepper with a little 151 on top that you light, flaming Dr. Peppers! Couldn't do one today if you paid me, but I had my share in my 20's. Oh that reminds of the time after one of our all-nighters I accidentally backed into the trash bin which then noisily spilled out onto the street. Not only was backing into it embarrassing and having everyone know because they could hear it but it is NOT pleasant to have to look at all those empty bottles (the "evidence" of our stupidity) the next day.
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Post by kittensaver on Oct 9, 2014 14:31:44 GMT -5
Wow - I'm a party pooper. Most weeks I drink nothing alcoholic. Coming from an Italian family, I used to like red wine with dinner - until it started giving me vicious headaches. Turns out I'm allergic to the sulfites they put in the less-expensive wines (sulfates and sulfites in food do the same thing to me ). So my drinking is confined to those occasional glasses of red wine I can get my hands on that are organic/biodynamic (no additives), and an occasional glass of champagne at festive occasions.
ETA: but I've been known to handcraft my own Limoncello with all-organic ingredients to give as Christmas gifts. I give it away or use it in a few recipes, I don't drink it as a cocktail. Man I'm a dud
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Oct 9, 2014 15:35:14 GMT -5
I drank more when I was younger but was never a heavy drinker. I could only do once a week and then didn't want to see it again for another week. I don't drink hard liquor and don't like wine. I drink 10 Heiny's for Friday night trivia and that is it. And I have a very high tolerance so that only gives me a good buzz. So 10 a week and even if I drink it all in one night if you break it down to a week it's like 1 and 1/3 a day.
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Post by imawino on Oct 9, 2014 15:50:05 GMT -5
LMAO! I'm not sure that "10 drinks in a night" and "never a heavy drinker" go together in the way that you think they do.
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Oct 9, 2014 15:54:18 GMT -5
LMAO! I'm not sure that "10 drinks in a night" and "never a heavy drinker" go together in the way that you think they do. They do in my world.
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Post by chiver78 on Oct 9, 2014 16:03:41 GMT -5
I don't know about that....I drink at least 1L of water over my 8h workday, closer to 2L in the summer if I'm in the field. 2 gallons = 7.5L of liquid volume. sub out my water for alcohol, and there ya go. a musician friend of mine is easily in that 74 drinks/wk group. he gets to his venue a couple hours early to have dinner before he plays, drinks on the band's tab during the set, and is basically drinking until he gets home around 3 or 4am.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 9, 2014 16:13:25 GMT -5
I have a few drinks every night so I am in the higher range but 74 sounds like a whole lot. Someone calculated that equals 2 gallons & that sounds close to impossible to me. Probably not as hard as you think. Got a couple of high functioning alcoholics in my family. They pretty much ONLY drink alcohol - never water or soda or some other kind of beverage - well, maybe coffee in the morning (with a drink chaser). If you're having a beer or two in the morning before work, a couple at lunch (at a restaurant or out in your car), and then come home have a glass of bourbon before dinner, a beer with dinner, another glass of some hard liquor, and then a couple more beers while watching TV before bed... and that's just a weekday. You don't call over to the house after 8:00pm on a weekday - they are too buzzed to be of any use. The weekends are worse - you need to catch them before noon if you want any sort of usefulness from them. By 5:00pm it's 4 sheets to the wind. I go months without having a drink. I may have wine or a hard cider if I go out for dinner or to a family get together.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Oct 9, 2014 16:14:05 GMT -5
I've been all over the map on this topic. I never drank at all as a teenager. Didn't have my first drink until I was 23, maybe 24? Hardly drank at all. Maybe weddings or holidays. Then when DH and I got married he and his whole family are heavy drinkers. There is no occasion that does not revolve around alcohol. At first I abstained. Then I got tired of being around drunk people and always being the DD, so I decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em! That lead to several years of weekend partying. Nothing during the week but we'd often have loud, rowdy backyard parties lasting until the alcohol was gone and the liquor stores were closed. Then in 2012 I started adding heavy lifting into my workouts and went low-carb. Oh, boy, I still remember how once ketosis kicked in the alcohol just about killed me. I was only drinking wine at the time, but for some reason I completely lost my taste for it and I got really sick. I lost 10 lbs., couldn't eat, and it took me 2 months to get back to my regular workouts. I stopped drinking completely for 2 years. I'm still low-carb and I cannot even smell wine without getting ill, but I now regularly have Crystal Light lemonade with Bicardi Limon rum or silver tequila and a bit of lemon juice. Probably 2 - 3 drinks most nights. But I measure my alcohol since I track it so I have 3 - 4 oz. per night. Doesn't seem bad to me, but it may be, IDK. I do know that I like to sip a drink after my shower after my workout. It feels like it goes straight to my muscles and relaxes them immediately. Ahhh... Bring the drink in the shower with you. It's delightful.
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Post by Firebird on Oct 9, 2014 16:44:32 GMT -5
I don't know about that....I drink at least 1L of water over my 8h workday, closer to 2L in the summer if I'm in the field. 2 gallons = 7.5L of liquid volume. sub out my water for alcohol, and there ya go.
I usually drink a gallon of water during my average workday. I think I'll switch to wine and see what happens.
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Post by Firebird on Oct 9, 2014 16:45:56 GMT -5
If you're having a beer or two in the morning before work, a couple at lunch (at a restaurant or out in your car), and then come home have a glass of bourbon before dinner, a beer with dinner, another glass of some hard liquor, and then a couple more beers while watching TV before bed... and that's just a weekday. You don't call over to the house after 8:00pm on a weekday - they are too buzzed to be of any use. The weekends are worse - you need to catch them before noon if you want any sort of usefulness from them. By 5:00pm it's 4 sheets to the wind.
Wow, seriously?! That's insane. I have some VERY heavy drinkers in my family and even they aren't drinking literally all day long. That's sad.
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Post by sesfw on Oct 9, 2014 18:51:47 GMT -5
Zero for me .... DH will have a small glass of wine about once a month.
My one and only drink of hard liquor was at the age of 17. The folks went out and I stayed home with lil bro. They had a drink before they left and the bottle of Jack Daniels had a few drops in the bottom. So I up-ended it. Geeeeeeeeesh. I was 17, I'm now 73. I can still feel that liquor burning my throat.
I don't care for the alcohol 'bite' in my mouth.
You know, it's quite possible your palate has changed a lot since you were 17. LOL. I hope you have branched out a little in all sorts of ways since then. Drink, don't drink, whatever - I just can't imagine trying a few drops of something as a kid and then refusing to ever try any sort of liquor again on that basis.
When I said the folks had a drink before going out that was a nice way of saying they were alcoholics. When I was 10 I would take care of my baby brother and could make a mean martini.
I've tried sips of wine through the years but don't like the 'bite' in my mouth, so I'm the permanent designated driver.
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Post by bobosensei on Oct 10, 2014 1:10:50 GMT -5
I have alcoholism on both sides of my family. My dad fully recovered before I was born so I grew up in a household that NEVER had alcohol in it and I was constantly warned at home and in my southern, fundamentalist baptist town that anyone who took a sip of alcohol was an alcoholic and would burn in the fiery pits of hell. I honestly thought that no one could control their alcohol consumption and never saw anyone that didn't either totally abuse it or totally abstain. I suspect most of the people that never drink are in fact the good, church going folks in the south, and your mormons and 7th day adventists.
I do drink some now, but my tastes have grown very particular since living in Europe. I doubt I will drink much when we move back home because I am just too cheap to pay the mark up on my favorite wines and beer from here.
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Post by tloonya on Oct 10, 2014 9:14:53 GMT -5
An interesting article on slate today about how much Alcohol Americans consume on average.
www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/10/how_much_alcohol_do_americans_drink_consumption_predicts_alcoholism_and.html
The average seems a bit skewed because those who drink a lot drink A LOT. The highest 10% of drinkers drink 74 drinks a week! That's crazy, I can't imagine drinking 74 drinks a week. However, the articles acknowledges that the average number of drinks is not really indicative of what's "normal." It's kind of like how if Bill Gates walks into a room, the average income of the occupants of the room goes up substantially.
The articles notes that a full 1/3 of Americans don't drink at all, and another 1/3 only drink on rare occasions, like holidays.
How much alcohol do you consume on average weekly? Does it say anything about Americans by naturalization from...Russia? Do we get anything like 'add 50%' or something? Funny story btw. Our friend was driving drunk from NY to Philly and was stopped by a cop. Breathalyzer showed some odd number that was entered into whatever papers cop written. When he came to court judge looked at that number and dismissed the case due to the fact that breathalyzer was broken because the number was too high for person to live. So he walked and keep telling this story. Lehaim?
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Post by tloonya on Oct 10, 2014 9:15:59 GMT -5
74 drinks a week? Sounds like a challenge! Who's with me? Not at all. It is only strange before you divide it by 7.
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Post by alabamagal on Oct 10, 2014 9:23:09 GMT -5
74 drinks per week Holy Cow! That is like getting a 12-pack of beer almost every day! I actually know 1 or 2 people who may be in that category. For me, ~50% the time 0 alcohol, ~40% 1 drink, ~10% of the time a bit more. Last Sunday we went up to Atlanta area for nieces wedding which was at 5 pm. We left early at got to the area at 1 pm to watch football at a sports bar. We each had 3 LARGE beverages (guessing counts as 2 drinks per glass), then attended wedding, I had 2 beers at reception. DH was driving. Alcohol helps in dealing with his family, and this was a high drama affair. A "high drama affair?" Do tell - enquiring minds want to know? Actually, I am just mosey, bored and sick in bed with lupus today. Lol DH's family is all high drama. This was his neice getting married. It was a VERY small wedding at an outdoor wedding place. The night before the wedding DH spent 90 minutes on the phone talking about who was going to walk his mom (widowed and grandmother of the bride who raised the bride until she was 8) down the aisle. Don't ushers do that anymore? apparently not. DH's sister wanted him to walk his mom down the aisle and leave me in the back. Of course DH doesn't talk to his sister, so all this had to come through his mother. So DH walked mom down the aisle then sat with me. My nieces (3 girls, half sister to the bride) dates raised some eyebrows (one was a different race, shocking indeed). Then there was dancing and drinking at the reception, which some did not approve of. The alcohol, plus the presence of a couple related to DH that we could actually enjoy conversation were all that helped us make it through.
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Post by greeniis10 on Oct 10, 2014 10:31:00 GMT -5
If you're having a beer or two in the morning before work, a couple at lunch (at a restaurant or out in your car), and then come home have a glass of bourbon before dinner, a beer with dinner, another glass of some hard liquor, and then a couple more beers while watching TV before bed... and that's just a weekday. You don't call over to the house after 8:00pm on a weekday - they are too buzzed to be of any use. The weekends are worse - you need to catch them before noon if you want any sort of usefulness from them. By 5:00pm it's 4 sheets to the wind.
Wow, seriously?! That's insane. I have some VERY heavy drinkers in my family and even they aren't drinking literally all day long. That's sad. Sad, indeed. But it is very true for actual alcoholics. My BIL starts drinking as soon as he gets up. If not, he gets the shakes and gets sick, ironically. Straight vodka. He drinks almost a bottle a day. I think there's a big difference between "heavy drinkers" as you reference and alcoholics. We have both in DH's family so that's why I can relate.
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Post by Firebird on Oct 10, 2014 10:40:13 GMT -5
Sad, indeed. But it is very true for actual alcoholics.
Not necessarily, no. I've known a LOT of alcoholics. You don't have to do the all-day drinking thing to be a raging alcoholic.
It's 100% possible to be an alcoholic who never once takes a drink before 5:00 pm. Granted, alcoholics do tend to go downhill over time.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Oct 10, 2014 10:43:31 GMT -5
Sad, indeed. But it is very true for actual alcoholics.
Not necessarily, no. I've known a LOT of alcoholics. You don't have to do the all-day drinking thing to be a raging alcoholic. It's 100% possible to be an alcoholic who never once takes a drink before 5:00 pm. Granted, alcoholics do tend to go downhill over time. It is possible to be an alcoholic without actually drinking any alcoholic drinks.
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Post by Firebird on Oct 10, 2014 10:45:42 GMT -5
It is possible to be an alcoholic without actually drinking any alcoholic drinks.
Yup. Alcoholics have a wide range of behavior. Which is why I say that you don't necessarily have to start drinking the minute you wake up on a daily basis to qualify as one.
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Post by greeniis10 on Oct 10, 2014 11:42:37 GMT -5
It is possible to be an alcoholic without actually drinking any alcoholic drinks.
Yup. Alcoholics have a wide range of behavior. Which is why I say that you don't necessarily have to start drinking the minute you wake up on a daily basis to qualify as one. Well, no, I didn't say that either. I wasn't stating that ALL alcoholics behave exactly the same way. That's not even sensible. Just stating what I see with my BIL.
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Post by kittensaver on Oct 10, 2014 11:50:40 GMT -5
It is possible to be an alcoholic without actually drinking any alcoholic drinks.
Yup. Alcoholics have a wide range of behavior. Which is why I say that you don't necessarily have to start drinking the minute you wake up on a daily basis to qualify as one. Correct. From a clinical, diagnostic standpoint, alcoholism is defined not by the number or type or frequency of drinks you consume, but what happens to you as a result of drinking.
If you only drink once a year on New Year's Eve and go on a rampage and tear up your house or beat your wife and kids - you've got an alcohol problem, even if you're stone cold sober the other 364 days.
Same with driving/DUIs, damaging property, hurting yourself/accidents, performance problems at work, failing at interpersonal relationships, etc etc etc. It's the negative life consequences that determine "the drinking problem." Clearly many people can drink socially/occasionally and never have any negative life consequences.
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Post by Firebird on Oct 10, 2014 12:10:19 GMT -5
Same with driving/DUIs, damaging property, hurting yourself/accidents, performance problems at work, failing at interpersonal relationships, etc etc etc. It's the negative life consequences that determine "the drinking problem." Clearly many people can drink socially/occasionally and never have any negative life consequences.
I'm currently rereading a great book called Take Me With You. The main character was (like me) a pretty regular drinker but never had any issues with any of the above. So he figured he didn't have a drinking problem. His wife was the same way. Then one day, she got into an accident with their teenage son - totally the other driver's fault, he was drunk and slammed into the passenger side and their son was killed. Only here was the kicker - she had alcohol in her system too. Just under the legal limit but some. So he stopped drinking as of that day and began going to AA meetings. And a large part of the book is devoted to him wondering if he's "really" an alcoholic since the other people in the meetings had such horrifying stories of ruined lives and so forth, and nothing bad ever happened as a result of his drinking... yet, he didn't WANT to stop and wasn't sure if he could. It really hit home for me because I'm pretty much like him. I wonder sometimes how it would be for me if a doctor told me that due to a medical condition, I could never drink alcohol. Honestly, it would be really hard for me to never drink again. I really like to drink. But I've never had "a problem" with it in the sense that kittensaver described. So I don't really have a "reason" to stop. Except that I sometimes wonder if I could (without help) if it was necessary. Tl;dr - I wonder sometimes if really, really loving alcohol to the point where it would be tough for you to give it up is one of the warning signs of addiction if nothing in your life has suffered from drinking.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Oct 10, 2014 12:12:33 GMT -5
Same with driving/DUIs, damaging property, hurting yourself/accidents, performance problems at work, failing at interpersonal relationships, etc etc etc. It's the negative life consequences that determine "the drinking problem." Clearly many people can drink socially/occasionally and never have any negative life consequences.
I'm currently rereading a great book called Take Me With You. The main character was (like me) a pretty regular drinker but never had any issues with it - DUI, abuse, etc. So he figured he didn't have a drinking problem. His wife was the same way. Then one day, she got into an accident with their teenage son - totally the other driver's fault, he was drunk and slammed into the passenger side and their son was killed. Only here was the kicker - she had alcohol in her system too. Just under the legal limit but some. So he stopped drinking as of that day and began going to AA meetings. And a large part of the book is devoted to him wondering if he's "really" an alcoholic since the other people in the meetings had such horrifying stories of ruined lives and so forth, and nothing bad ever happened as a result of his drinking... yet, he didn't WANT to stop and wasn't sure if he could. It really hit home for me because I'm pretty much like him. I wonder sometimes how it would be for me if a doctor told me that due to a medical condition, I could never drink alcohol. Honestly, it would be really hard for me to never drink again. I really like to drink. But I've never had "a problem" with it in the sense that others seem to mean it. So I don't really have a "reason" to stop. Except that I sometimes wonder if I could (without help) if it was necessary. How easy would it be for you to stop eating chocolate forever? Or ice cream forever? or tuna fish forever (if that's what gets you going?)
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Post by Firebird on Oct 10, 2014 12:17:49 GMT -5
How easy would it be for you to stop eating chocolate forever? Or ice cream forever? or tuna fish forever (if that's what gets you going?)Exactly, that's what I tell myself when I pour that third glass of wine It's an interesting question though because all alcoholics have to start somewhere and I bet a LOT of them start at the "well I could give this up if I wanted to, but why should I?" stage.
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