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Post by zibazinski on Oct 11, 2014 12:06:22 GMT -5
The schools have no money for helpers with reading. Unless you are so low then they are required to get you help. Parents need to work with teachers for optimal results and vice versa. The volunteers are going to help the at risk kids first. The ones failing just about everything.
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Post by swamp on Oct 11, 2014 13:46:37 GMT -5
swamp - I haven't read everything but just a few thoughts (that may have or have not been said)
She was doing well in the previous school - meaning - she was meeting that teacher's expectations. Likely - she will respond to the new situation and figure out what to do that this teacher requires. What she needs to focus on.
I think that is a realistic assessment. I got a progress report yesterday, it said she needs to work on self confidence and effort. As she gets more comfortable at school, she will probably get better at this. She likes the teacher, she's just overwhelmed at the class size and school size. She went from 10 in the class and 55 in the school to a class of about 22 in a school of 750.
Do you have reading time before bed? time to get ready - bath, brush teeth, jammies, etc. and then snuggle into bed for 20-30 minutes with books before lights out? If she can't read the stories she likes, you can read to her. Make reading time fun time as the fist priority - and once it is something she is enjoying and looking forward to (after the disappointment of nearing bedtime!) very subtly and slowly have her take on some of the reading.
We have always done stories at bed. She will read to me, but she has the story memorized.. We now "alternate" pages or lines on new stories
DS would always be "one more story" "one more story" when he was little. Of course there were favorites that were read over and over again and he would start sneaking out of bed to grab a book and go through the story on his own. So then I would allow him some time with his favorites before lights out.
Your DD is likely too old for those super repetitive types books that are memorized, but maybe reading some exciting chapter and leaving off at a cliff hanger chapter and then say, I'm too tired, time for me to get ready for bed. But I'll give you 10 extra minutes with the book before lights out. Let me see how far you can get in the story. Maybe then as a reward - read the rest of that chapter for her when you come to turn off the lights.
she wants to sleep with her closet light on, door open, hallway light on. There is a stack of books next to her bed. I let her look at the books whenever she wants, she will go to sleep when she's tired.
That should get her trying I think.
The most important thing for you to do is making reading fun and supply books she will enjoy.
Good luck to Swamp Jr!
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Post by swamp on Oct 11, 2014 13:47:40 GMT -5
The schools have no money for helpers with reading. Unless you are so low then they are required to get you help. Parents need to work with teachers for optimal results and vice versa. The volunteers are going to help the at risk kids first. The ones failing just about everything. I'm happy with the school. I think they do pretty well with the number of kids and the type of kids they serve. It's not perfect, but it's not bad either.
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Post by swamp on Oct 11, 2014 13:48:27 GMT -5
You should be able to get reading help from the school. It is really an emphasis so she will get caught up if she is indeed behind. she is getting help. they've identified the issue and are working on it. I'm just annoyed that I was told last year how well she was doing.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 11, 2014 15:48:52 GMT -5
Well, maybe the private schools aren't as "tough" as people think they are. Think about it. Do you know what a teacher makes at many of these private schools? Some of them are making about $15K a year. For some reason, we think that more money hires "better" in every other industry but we don't think it does in teaching?
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Post by swamp on Nov 13, 2014 18:44:51 GMT -5
Update.
Parent teacher conference today. She is being moved out of the lower level group and into the "grade level" kids. She has gone from being able to recognize 24 sight words to 76 of them.
The teacher is very impressed with her progress.
She he is also more comfortable at school and willing to raise her hand, volunteer some answers, and join in the discussion. When she first got there, she would not participate.
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Post by taz157 on Nov 13, 2014 18:59:58 GMT -5
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Post by DagnyT on Nov 13, 2014 19:49:20 GMT -5
Yippee!! Hope she continues to improve and by the end of the year she is ahead. Keep working with her. Sometimes kids just need a little extra help.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 13, 2014 20:34:36 GMT -5
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Post by Jaguar on Nov 13, 2014 20:37:42 GMT -5
That's awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 23:01:21 GMT -5
It sounds like she was just needing to get acclimated to the new school. Probably was at grade level to begin with, just too nervous and shy to demonstrate it properly.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Nov 14, 2014 2:15:04 GMT -5
There are also some public school teachers who have 'drunk the cool aid'. My SIL is one. They honestly think that a public school is the only place in the country where a child can receive a decent education.
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Post by bobosensei on Nov 14, 2014 5:43:07 GMT -5
I am almost 33 and we had the option of reading books in kindergarten. We started with word lists that the parents helped us learn. I got through them and they started me on books, though it turned out they were the same books as we read in first grade so it probably didn't really help me any to get to read books in kindergarten. Even though I was reading the books in kindergarten I wasn't a perfect reader. I am introvert and was really shy when I was young, and I dreaded reading out loud. If I read out loud I was so nervous to be correct with pronunciation that I had absolutely no comprehension of what I was reading. I could read fine on my own, when done silently, but because of my personality reading aloud really messed me up.
I still hate it if I am in a group and someone asks me to read.
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Post by swamp on Nov 14, 2014 9:30:54 GMT -5
There are also some public school teachers who have 'drunk the cool aid'. My SIL is one. They honestly think that a public school is the only place in the country where a child can receive a decent education.
well, since I recognized that DD was struggling with reading, was and is way behind where her brother was at that age, and this teacher sent her own kids (who are now young adults) to the same catholic school my kids went to, I'm pretty sure she's not one of them.
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Post by bookkeeper on Nov 14, 2014 9:35:31 GMT -5
Your situation is not unique. We just moved from a community with a Catholic k-12 school that was half as large as the public school.
Our neighbor's kids went to the Catholic school. Youngest son was obviously the slow learner in the family. Not stupid--but it was obvious that he learned things differently. After struggling with reading all through grade school, suddenly in the jr. high he was getting high grades. His parents believed the first year teacher. Two years later he starts high school and is getting D's and F's.
Now, did the kid's abilities really change, or did the teacher's standards change?
We saw this over and over again with the students graduating from the Catholic high school. They got high marks in their classes, but had no ability to draw on when asked to perform. We knew several students who took the AP classes at the Catholic high school, did well, and then enrolled at the university. These students found out a little late that they were severely lacking in math and science.
Swamp, one thing we did with our kids when they were little, was to check out children's books on tape from the library. They would play the tape and follow along in the children's book. This practice increases the verbal/sight recognition of words and helps kids become better readers. They were picking out words in no time and reading shortly after.
My mom even recorded her voice reading several books to our sons. I have saved those tapes in their memory boxes for the day when she is not around to read to them.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 14, 2014 11:18:07 GMT -5
Thanks, zibazinski and mmhmm, for adding your experiences with teachers who inexplicably target kids. The teacher population is no different from the larger population. Fortunately, there are many, many well-meaning, wonderfully-caring, competent teachers out there. But, just like the larger human population, there are a few incompetent, ill-tempered, unethical, and even, evil, folks teaching our kids. The latter group DOES exist, no matter how much some posters might want to question my prior post. BTDT, have the school records to prove it. Yea, I remember in middle school I was a good kid with good grades, no behavior problems, always did my homework, got along with the teachers and other kids, etc. We had an art teacher who targeted several different kids and I was one of them. At the time I couldn't understand why, but now, as an adult, I think she was just a very unhappy person. She went out of her way to make her art classes unpleasant - instead of assigning the usual kinds of middle school art projects, she made us do very boring things like drawing perfectly formed rectangles on white paper, and then she had raging fits when the rectangles were off center or crooked. I heard, after the fact, she got a divorce a few years later. I kind of think she was a frustrated artist stuck in a job she hated with a husband she hated and she had no affection for kids at all- she shouldn't have been doing that job. Why she picked particular kids I don't know, but I suspect she was focusing on the kids who were usually very cheerful. I think that just grated on her nerves, because she was so unhappy herself.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 14, 2014 11:33:47 GMT -5
My kids had always gone to private school too. My oldest even skipped a grade there! They go to public school now for high school. The first year was really hard for my oldest. She got horrible grades the first quarter and stayed after for a lot of tutoring to catch up.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Nov 14, 2014 13:17:04 GMT -5
I'm happy that your daughter is making excellent progress, and that she has a competent and understanding teacher.
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Post by Abby Normal on Nov 14, 2014 17:24:38 GMT -5
Update. Parent teacher conference today. She is being moved out of the lower level group and into the "grade level" kids. She has gone from being able to recognize 24 sight words to 76 of them. The teacher is very impressed with her progress. She he is also more comfortable at school and willing to raise her hand, volunteer some answers, and join in the discussion. When she first got there, she would not participate. Glad to hear she's doing well. Just a couple ideas- DS struggled with reading in first grade. I used to have him read out loud to the dog, where no one could hear him. I tried to keep him reading over the summer after 1st grade but it was a constant battle. Near the end of second grade- he found some books he really liked that were right at his level. So as we entered into summer- I made a deal with him. For each minute he read over the summer, he would earn a mile. He needed to read his way to disneyland and back. If he did that, we would go over springbreak. He kept a notebook with him and he had to log his reading time. No less than 5 minutes, but every minute after that counted. At the end of the week, we would add up the miles and track where he was on a giant map. I had told him that if he read his way to Disneyland, I would through in Sea World for free. He wanted to go to SW so bad, he read his way there and back. It averaged 30 minutes every day during the summer break, and he finished a week early. At the end- I had a reader. When the tested him- he was three levels above his grade. He still loves to read and prefers it to video games. (gasp, the horror).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 19:18:47 GMT -5
OMG Abby that is such an AWESOME idea!!!
Swamp, that's great news about your DD!
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Post by tskeeter on Nov 14, 2014 19:20:31 GMT -5
Update. Parent teacher conference today. She is being moved out of the lower level group and into the "grade level" kids. She has gone from being able to recognize 24 sight words to 76 of them. The teacher is very impressed with her progress. She he is also more comfortable at school and willing to raise her hand, volunteer some answers, and join in the discussion. When she first got there, she would not participate. Sounds a bit like my younger brother. Was placed with the low achieving kids. When my parents, both teachers, asked why, they were told he didn't participate in class and the teacher thought he didn't grasp the class content. When Dad asked the teacher if he had looked at DB's intelligence test scores, the teacher said those scores weren't a consideration in student placement. Although the teacher resisted,Dad insisted that the teacher pull the file and look at the scores. The teacher found that DB was probably the most academically capable kid in his class. So the teacher reluctantly agreed to place DB with the more capable kids. When Dad asked DB why he didn't raise his hand when the teacher asked the class questions, DB said he knew the answers to the questions and he didn't have to prove it to the rest of the class. (DB has always been a bit obstinate. He almost flunked a math for electricians class because he could do the calculations in his head and refused to show his work.)
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Post by tskeeter on Nov 14, 2014 19:40:44 GMT -5
There are also some public school teachers who have 'drunk the cool aid'. My SIL is one. They honestly think that a public school is the only place in the country where a child can receive a decent education.
Some private schools are really great, and some are lousy. The same as public schools. Historically, the problem has been that private schools in some states (maybe all states) weren't required to do the same types of standardized testing (in my day, the Iowa Basics) that public schools did, so there was no way to understand if the school was really providing kids with the education they needed or not. Nor did private schools have to hire qualified teaching staff. Don't know how true the lack of objective evaluation or what teacher qualification requirements are today, but I remember my Dad, a 30 year educator in the public system, talking about the amount of remedial help kids coming out of some parochial elementary schools needed in order to perform at grade level. It appeared that the focus of some parochial schools was more on religious education than academic education. That history, and some teacher's experiences, probably affect their perspective.
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Post by tcu2003 on Nov 14, 2014 20:18:31 GMT -5
Abby, I love love love that idea!! I'm filing it away for later use when DS is learning to read. And DH is so YM - I told him and his comment was "sounds expensive."
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Post by taz157 on Nov 14, 2014 20:21:02 GMT -5
OMG Abby that is such an AWESOME idea!!! Swamp, that's great news about your DD! Yeah that!
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 15, 2014 17:02:44 GMT -5
Education and the learning process is so personal, and even within good schools there are things that work and don't work for each kid. I have found maneuvering the education process for each of my children the hardest part about parenting, and it isn't over yet. We still have to go through the high school picking process and then college. Ack!
And you never really know if you made the best decision. I feel good about the choices we have made so far - but who knows, maybe my straight A kid would be learning more at one of the choice schools in the area. So...many....options.
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