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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 9, 2014 7:58:30 GMT -5
My kids are in an Immersion school so no reading in English until 2nd grade. The 1st grade teacher said the kids HAVE to learn to read in German first because the imagination "payout" for reading in English is so much higher than reading in German right now. As their vocabularies expand, that payout is reduced but I'm not sure it becomes equal in grade school. I also discovered last night hat the Lola Train games that my kids like on Kindle can be turned into German instead of English.
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Post by taz157 on Oct 9, 2014 8:11:17 GMT -5
Beth - Do you and Mr. Beth speak German too?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 9, 2014 8:17:16 GMT -5
Beth - Do you and Mr. Beth speak German too? Not really. DH had German in high school and I had some classes in college. And I've been to Germany but it was a bus trip so I didn't have a ton of opportunities to use it. The school assumes that the parents won't speak much German. If you do, awesome. But they're not worried about it.
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Post by taz157 on Oct 9, 2014 8:19:22 GMT -5
Beth - Do you and Mr. Beth speak German too? Not really. DH had German in high school and I had some classes in college. And I've been to Germany but it was a bus trip so I didn't have a ton of opportunities to use it. The school assumes that the parents won't speak much German. If you do, awesome. But they're not worried about it. Interesting!
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Post by taz157 on Oct 9, 2014 8:20:15 GMT -5
Swamp - Who's last name does your kids have?
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Post by CarolinaKat on Oct 9, 2014 8:22:29 GMT -5
Beth - Do you and Mr. Beth speak German too? Not really. DH had German in high school and I had some classes in college. And I've been to Germany but it was a bus trip so I didn't have a ton of opportunities to use it. The school assumes that the parents won't speak much German. If you do, awesome. But they're not worried about it. Why German?
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Post by swamp on Oct 9, 2014 8:24:48 GMT -5
Swamp - Who's last name does your kids have? DH's.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 9, 2014 8:39:31 GMT -5
Not really. DH had German in high school and I had some classes in college. And I've been to Germany but it was a bus trip so I didn't have a ton of opportunities to use it. The school assumes that the parents won't speak much German. If you do, awesome. But they're not worried about it. Why German? That's a convoluted answer. When we were looking into public schools for the K4 for our daughter (at DH's insistence), the German Immersion school was very well rated with good records; close to home (most of the well rated public schools here are on the south side of town so one of us would be looking at a 30-45 minutes commute to do dropoff and pickup) and we both have some German heritage. So we thought "why not" Didn't get in. Figured we'd just stick with dcp for another year and start her in K5 somewhere else. Got a call the 1st week of school saying "we've got an opening, do you want it?" and jumped on it. Realized about 2 days in that that Immersion = roughly 80% of the day is in German. Oops. But DD hated her preschool and loved her first days at K4. The teacher DD had (and now DS has) grew up 2 doors down from me. She's a good 12+ years younger than me but it was reassuring to have someone I knew and trusted teaching DD because you hear so many lousy things about the public schools here. We knew going in that DD would be there until 2nd grade, due to the reading in English thing. DS, we're not so sure on. I'd rather not transfer the kids out with them NOT reading in English. So we'll see what happens. Right now, both kids are happy there. And I think DS is picking up on the German more quickly than DD did. Another bonus for DS is that they can do the speech eval and any therapy in school.
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Post by alabamagal on Oct 9, 2014 8:51:30 GMT -5
Do you think some of that might be because he wasn't being pushed by the school? I know I was really advanced in certain ways when I was young. The schools were perfectly happy to let me just slide through classes even though they were way too easy for me. My parents were very involved & even in elementary school I can recall actually being taken to the math class for the higher grades. I wasn't top of my class or anything, but I ended up way ahead in most subjects...in middle school I was going to high school for math, in high school I was going to college for math. That wouldn't have happened without someone recognizing I wasn't in the right class for my skill level & making sure I got where I should have been. Some of this is also the nature of an educational system that strips learning of fun and child centered exploration early on... Kids who have longer periods of free learning, exploration and people who take their interests seriously and don't impede their own agenda on learning tasks... Those kids tend to be more intrinsically motivated. Others are less likely to rise above what is being asked of them in the current task. some of that is also personality though. I really just think that DSnow20 developed super early, both physically and mentally. When he started t-ball at age 5, he was way more coordinated than all the other kids, made all stars, went to state tournaments, etc. At age 7 he was calculating his batting average and pitching ERA when some his age didn't even know how to add. Every year the other kids got better and passed him in ability. It is not like he is a failure now or not motivated or not doing well in school. He is at the top level university in our state. It is just that at an early age he was so far ahead of everyone, but the other kids caught up and some (well a few) passed him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 8:54:07 GMT -5
That makes sense.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 9, 2014 9:27:43 GMT -5
I have no idea if tutoring is offered or not. I'd assume that it is. They do have classes for parents who want to learn German. We just haven't figured out how to make the timing work for us.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 9, 2014 9:31:02 GMT -5
We had teachers at my old elementary who had their kids in private school. No one said anything to them. Parents, even teacher parents, need to do what they feel is best for their child.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Oct 9, 2014 9:44:32 GMT -5
There is another piece to this puzzle. I am consciously choosing to send my kid to THIS public school.
I live in a very small neighboring district where the HS sucks. I mean outright damaging to the kids. I didn't want that for my kids. The public school they are in does not allow tuitioning kids in.
I originally put my kids in the private school to avoid Bad Small School District. Once that closed, I had to do some finangling with houses, primary residence exemptions, and addresses to qualify my kids to go to the school where they are now.
The teachers all know where my "camp" is and that my parents live in my "primary residence."
DD's teacher also used to teach at the private school.
I think it's just because NY common core standards required certain things be taught in Kindergarten and the Kindergarten teacher did not follow the common core standards.
ETA: a lot of people don't know Mr. Swamp is my husband. we don't have the same last name. And he's pretty quiet. And has a generic last name. I was thinking that this was more the case. The books that Swamp's DD were reading from in the Catholic school are probably not the same as the ones in the public school, and she just has to get used to them. Also, my daughter is now teaching in a private religious school, and she's had discussions with the principal about bringing the fifth through the seventh grades more in line with common core. She's had a lot of training on common core, and it's paid off for both her and the school picking her up for this year. I think all this imputed demonizing of the public school second grade teacher is very unrealistic. She could lose her license if she actually threw the result of Swamp's kid's reading test. She's far too busy with her second grade class. Sorry, that never happened. If she used to teach at the now-closed Catholic school, then she's damned glad to have gotten a job in the better public school district, and she's not going to screw around with Swamp's kid's reading scores.
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Post by whoami on Oct 9, 2014 9:49:53 GMT -5
I went to private school k-8. It was light years ahead of public school academically. I would have gone to private HS, but we moved and there were no private schools. We had the same history book in 7th grade in private that I had in my junior year in public HS.
Around here, the public schools are very good and the offerings are numerous. We also have a range of private schools, some better than public but some worse.
The difference is that I live in a fairly wealthy area with involved parents who make lots of money. Growing up, it wasn't such a wealthy town, but my parents earned enough to be able to send my brother and I to private school because the public schools sucked.
The kid could be having problems because its a new school in a new environment.
I find the idea that public school teachers are going to retaliate against someones kid because they went to private school, totally ridiculous and worthy of a tinfoil hat. If anything based on the theory, the teacher should be passing the kid with flying colors because Swamp or Mr Swamp might rat out Ms School Teachers nephews daughters husband 3 times removed for being on Viagra or for being arrested for indecent acts with a chicken.
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Post by tloonya on Oct 10, 2014 8:59:19 GMT -5
Because their mom is a lawyer? No, because I want them to have a better life than working for minimum wage provides.
I came from a blue collar family. I have no problem with manual labor, but it's a horrible thing to have to do your entire life.
Yeah, I do not know if I agree or not. I had office job and thought that labor actually is not that debilitating like sitting in the office all day. Now when I am 'laboring' I think I would go back to the office if my husband would stop whining about 'leaving him in a business he didn't want on the first place' but I am not rushing. I don't even know why.
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Post by imanangel on Oct 10, 2014 11:04:13 GMT -5
That sucks. I'm sure she'll catch up though. In first grade I still had people in my class eating paste. It's not like the other kids are light years ahead of her here. I still have kids eating paste in my 5th grade class. I also had to tell my 7th graders a few years ago to stop eating bugs.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 10, 2014 11:37:28 GMT -5
The joy of children.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Oct 10, 2014 12:12:53 GMT -5
That sucks. I'm sure she'll catch up though. In first grade I still had people in my class eating paste. It's not like the other kids are light years ahead of her here. I still have kids eating paste in my 5th grade class. I also had to tell my 7th graders a few years ago to stop eating bugs.
seriously?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 14:18:26 GMT -5
Which is the whole point of Common Core. Puts every school district in the country on the same page when it comes to what gets taught in each grade. That is not exactly true. It working towards a common skill base, it's hopefully defining a common skill competency for high school classes that aligns with university / industry needs ... But it's not all on the same page as far as content and curriculum , particularly not in the early years.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 10, 2014 16:00:00 GMT -5
The working parents I knew that were catholic sent their kids to catholic schools so they wouldn't have to hassle with confirmation classes. Done in school. Of course a lot took their kids out afterward because aftercare was at the public schools. Now smart private or religious schools should offer aftercare.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 11, 2014 6:34:08 GMT -5
What's wrong with struggling? Not every subject comes easy to every kid, nor should it.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 11, 2014 7:54:14 GMT -5
Depends on the childs personality. Some kids are okay with it with simple assurances that you will get it someday. Some kids are not.
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Post by swamp on Oct 11, 2014 7:56:20 GMT -5
What's wrong with struggling? Not every subject comes easy to every kid, nor should it. Because it's reading. If she struggles with it, she struggles with all subjects.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 8:02:10 GMT -5
What's wrong with struggling? Not every subject comes easy to every kid, nor should it. I think the main issue is that the private school said she was ahead of grade level so Swamp figured everything was going along fine and dandy, only to find out that when she went to public school she was behind.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 11, 2014 8:03:35 GMT -5
Some teachers are more discreet, too. DS was afraid of his 1st grade teacher so wouldn't read for her. Read for everyone else but wouldn't read for her. To this day, I can't stand that woman but I am civil because she is part of my retired teachers group. Still thinks her shit doesn't stink but that's another story. At 6 years of age he knew he was in the "dummy reading group." His words not mine. So MY child, who could read before he started K now no longer could read? I don't think so. But he is sensitive and knew she didn't like him. Trouble is, she just didnt like boys, period, but he internalized it to being JUST HIM. Took some caring 2nd grade teachers to try to fix him. I found out way too late to even help him. I still anguish about that. Even after he tested that he knew he could read to the reading specialist and the asst principal plus qualified via a test called CTBS that he was more than ready for 2 Nd grade, she was still telling us he qualified for summer school. By that time I knew she was a horses ass and was trying to cover up for herself. So did a lot of admins because I made sure they did. I found out later that the K teacher he had and the 1st grade teacher got into it in the teachers lounge because the1st grade teacher bad mouthed DS to her and wanted to know why she passed him into 1st grade. K teacher wasn't intimidated by her at all and let her know it. Which is funny because I never thought the K teacher liked me or DS. Maybe she didnt but she didnt let it interfere with her job.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 11, 2014 8:20:30 GMT -5
Some teachers are more discreet, too. DS was afraid of his 1st grade teacher so wouldn't read for her. Read for everyone else but wouldn't read for her. To this day, I can't stand that woman but I am civil because she is part of my retired teachers group. Still thinks her shit doesn't stink but that's another story. At 6 years of age he knew he was in the "dummy reading group." His words not mine. So MY child, who could read before he started K now no longer could read? I don't think so. But he is sensitive and knew she didn't like him. Trouble is, she just didnt like boys, period, but he internalized it to being JUST HIM. Took some caring 2nd grade teachers to try to fix him. I found out way too late to even help him. I still anguish about that. Even after he tested that he knew he could read to the reading specialist and the asst principal plus qualified via a test called CTBS that he was more than ready for 2 Nd grade, she was still telling us he qualified for summer school. By that time I knew she was a horses ass and was trying to cover up for herself. So did a lot of admins because I made sure they did. I found out later that the K teacher he had and the 1st grade teacher got into it in the teachers lounge because the1st grade teacher bad mouthed DS to her and wanted to know why she passed him into 1st grade. K teacher wasn't intimidated by her at all and let her know it. Which is funny because I never thought the K teacher liked me or DS. Maybe she didnt but she didnt let it interfere with her job. I'm sorry that happened to your boy, zib. Things like that can make it really hard on a kid who's trying to get his ducks in a row and learn. They're learning so much - heck, they're learning to do everything their medullas aren't doing for them! A teacher, to me, is there to teach - not to decide which kids she likes and which kids she doesn't like. My daughter had a 4th grade math teacher who was that type of person. DD was having trouble in the class so I went to see the teacher to see what I could do at home to help things along while ensuring the teacher and I were on the same page. Dayum! Admittedly, the woman was a new, young teacher, but I didn't like the witch either! It was all about her and what she thought and it was near to impossible to get the conversation focused on my daughter and her issues with math. Why this teacher chose my little girl to dislike, I have no clue. DD was never a problem child and would really try to please. Anyway, after my discussion with the teacher I was so angry I went directly to the principal's office and demanded a new teacher for DD - starting the next day. That kind of BS can cause a kid to reject math (or English, or science, or whatever the class with the monster for a teacher might be) and just mentally opt out. Not good!
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Post by Shooby on Oct 11, 2014 9:53:39 GMT -5
You should be able to get reading help from the school. It is really an emphasis so she will get caught up if she is indeed behind.
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Post by Opti on Oct 11, 2014 9:58:09 GMT -5
I hope you are able to catch her up reasonably quick. Good luck Swamp!
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Oct 11, 2014 11:45:21 GMT -5
Thanks, zibazinski and mmhmm, for adding your experiences with teachers who inexplicably target kids. The teacher population is no different from the larger population. Fortunately, there are many, many well-meaning, wonderfully-caring, competent teachers out there. But, just like the larger human population, there are a few incompetent, ill-tempered, unethical, and even, evil, folks teaching our kids. The latter group DOES exist, no matter how much some posters might want to question my prior post. BTDT, have the school records to prove it.
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