GOP looks to cut IRS budget despite return on

[ugonow]

investment-----news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110301/ap_on_re_us/us_gop_tax_collectors

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

That is interesting and I have heard this some time ago.

What is even more interesting is that the govt will be hiring something like 15,000 IRS agents in the coming years to enforce certain provisions of Obamacare.
Perhaps I am missing something but would not hiring 15,000 doctors be a better course of action regarding improving health care?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

ObamaCare was ruled unConstitutional. I wouldn't look to any government agency to make any moves under this Congress to enforce it.

[Gardening Grandma]

Mar 2, 2011 12:03:23 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

ObamaCare was ruled unConstitutional. I wouldn't look to any government agency to make any moves under this Congress to enforce it.

A bit misleading. Two judges have ruled it unconstitutional while three have upheld it.
3-2 - so far


But cutting the IRS budget seems a bit self defeating....

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

A bit misleading. Two judges have ruled it unconstitutional while three have upheld it.
3-2 - so far

There is no score keeping. The last ruling is law of the land.

[Gardening Grandma]

Mar 2, 2011 12:30:50 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

A bit misleading. Two judges have ruled it unconstitutional while three have upheld it.
3-2 - so far

There is no score keeping. The last ruling is law of the land.

Actually, I'm under the impression that the decision of the Supreme Court is the last word - and the law of the land. The case hasn't reached that high yet.

[Gardening Grandma]

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[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Actually, I'm under the impression that the decision of the Supreme Court is the last word - and the law of the land. The case hasn't reached that high yet.

It has yet to go to the Supreme Court. AT this point, the last ruling stands.

[ugonow]

Perhaps I am missing something but would not hiring 15,000 doctors be a better course of action regarding improving health care?

What would the federal government do with 15,000 doctors? The VA is the only thing I can think of.

[fairlycrazy23]

They should be looking at vastly simplifying the tax code. Then you wouldn't need nearly as many IRS workers or nearly as many resource wasted on compliance.

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

They should be looking at vastly simplifying the tax code. Then you wouldn't need nearly as many IRS workers or nearly as many resource wasted on compliance.

I'd estimate anywhere from 10 to 20 million people work in the field of taxation or are affected indirectly. That is a low estimate.

Easily 100s of billions are spent annually on compliance.

[rockon]

Fairly, Thank you. Common sense tells you that the IRS already picks the lowest hanging fruit which results in the best revenue stream relative to cost of enforcement. Increasing the number of officers would not necessarily result in more"profits" and the much better approach would be to simplify the tax code reduce the number of enforcement personnel and save the tax payers billions of dollars each year

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Increasing the number of officers would not necessarily result in more"profits" and the much better approach would be to simplify the tax code reduce the number of enforcement personnel and save the tax payers billions of dollars each year

I hope you got the sarcasm in my previous post. The tax compliance industry employs millions of people, in all sorts of jobs.

[swamp]

Mar 2, 2011 12:49:00 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

Actually, I'm under the impression that the decision of the Supreme Court is the last word - and the law of the land. The case hasn't reached that high yet.

It has yet to go to the Supreme Court. AT this point, the last ruling stands.

No, not really. Rulings are geographically enforceable. A ruling from a Judge in the Southern District of Florida is not binding on any other courts. When the case goes to the Circuit court covering the District, that ruling is binding on that Circuit, but no other circuit.

[upstatemom]

Mar 2, 2011 11:56:45 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

That is interesting and I have heard this some time ago.

What is even more interesting is that the govt will be hiring something like 15,000 IRS agents in the coming years to enforce certain provisions of Obamacare.
Perhaps I am missing something but would not hiring 15,000 doctors be a better course of action regarding improving health care?

Spot on, it amazes me so many members of Congress could not see this, but then again how many read the bill and would have known this before they followed Pelosi and Reid to the cliff?

[ugonow]

So you and savoir advocate a socialist type healthcare system where the government owns the facilities,and the providers are government employees?

[Deleted]

I'm sorry... you wanted the federal government to hire doctors?

[upstatemom]

Mar 2, 2011 18:31:39 GMT -5 oped said:

I'm sorry... you wanted the federal government to hire doctors?

Guess I did not phrase my comment well. I do not advocate the Feds hiring doctors, but how are hiring IRS workers and implimenting more layers of paperwork going to benefit those that need health services? The health care bill makes it less desirable for a person to spend the time, money are effort to become a doctor.

[EVT1]

Mar 2, 2011 15:44:28 GMT -5 swamp said:

No, not really. Rulings are geographically enforceable. A ruling from a Judge in the Southern District of Florida is not binding on any other courts. When the case goes to the Circuit court covering the District, that ruling is binding on that Circuit, but no other circuit.

Thank you! So tired of hearing this repeated over and over on RW radio, etc. ' there is no law anymore, was ruled void, etc.' Way too many 'legal experts' out there that never set foot in law school. Then again, with big headlines like 'judge throws out health care law' it was only a matter of time for the pundits to run with it. One district judge's opinion just doesn't have that kind of power and will certainly not stop the implementation of the law-worst case the administration could get a stay in that district pending appeal- which they will if they feel they need to. The law is going forward unless the scotus stops it.

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

govt will be hiring something like 15,000 IRS agents in the coming years to enforce certain provisions of Obamacare.
Perhaps I am missing something but would not hiring 15,000 doctors be a better course of action regarding improving health care?

Yes you are. Most doctors don't have the ability or authority to enforce any laws, so it would be silly to hire them for the IRS. Now, if there is a need for more doctors in the US, that's another question.