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Post by zibazinski on Oct 5, 2014 9:47:40 GMT -5
Oh, then the 43 year old didnt "design" the first SAT, he's just tweaking it.
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Post by 973beachbum on Oct 5, 2014 9:54:53 GMT -5
Oh, then the 43 year old didnt "design" the first SAT, he's just tweaking it. No he was the author/creator of the common core. He is the latest had of the College Board which puts out the SAT and the AP tests and curriculum. I know that he is redesigning the SAT though to more closely match the common core standards. ETA I think you guys are reading my first post on this backwards. The guy who designed the common core standards is now also the person who is in charge of the College Board, which is the company that does the SAT and AP tests and curricula.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 5, 2014 10:18:08 GMT -5
Got it. I was confused. Considering SATs have been around for decades, I thought the person who designed them must either be dead or ancient by now.
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Post by 973beachbum on Oct 5, 2014 10:45:13 GMT -5
Yeah the guy who made up the SAT has probably been dead longer than the 43 years this guy has even been alive!
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Post by Formerly SK on Oct 5, 2014 10:53:47 GMT -5
I'm completely in favor of CCSS testing in elementary schools. I've been tutoring 5th graders this past week in math and they are TWO YEARS behind in their skills (struggle doing 4x6). I was shocked and horrified. I don't know why schools don't let kids repeat grades anymore. No one fails. So all these kids at 5th grade now can't follow teacher instruction because they don't get it. And yes, they do get extra assistance (people like me) to spend some time with them (60 mins/wk?). But that is NOT sufficient, and there isn't money for stronger assistance. This gap in elementary school just expands as you move into middle school. These poor kids' self esteem is in the toilet - they feel stupid and they are depressed. It breaks my heart and makes me very very angry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 11:05:28 GMT -5
Self esteem is in the toilet they feel stupid and depressed because they have been asked for too long to do things that they are developmental not ready for, in doing so have developed an emotionl wall against it..
I had a long post but lost it. I'm not redoing. Basically, developmental differences make standards before about age 11 counterproductive. After age 11, if deficiencies are aparent then it's much easier/quicker to mitigate with a brain that's capable of abstract reasoning and a psyche which has not been bent by being labeled stupid and ground down by frustration.
This is for deficits of achievement. Obviously those with limited potential need different resources earlier and should still be identified.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 5, 2014 13:44:20 GMT -5
They're behind the 8 ball before they even start school.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 14:35:30 GMT -5
And those kids will be identified how if we don't do testing in elementary schools? Limits to potential are identified through IQ testing, which is not generally performed.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 5, 2014 15:01:22 GMT -5
... I went to HS at the wrong time.
You aren't following party line. Schools today are horrible, unlike in the good old days.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 2:34:19 GMT -5
And I don't think kids should be labeled deficient and disabled for developmental differences. LD requires both a potential and achievement component. I think that, if a child is showing achievement 'delays' in school, but tests at average or above potential, you shouldn't automatically label the child as disabled, but allow them to develop in a stimulating environment where they are engaged but not frustrated by 'intervention' which might not even be necessary if you just wait for them to naturally develop.
Most kids will even out by age eleven. And as I said, intervention is much easier at that point if iot is actually necessary due to brain development.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 6, 2014 5:18:10 GMT -5
If kids have been exposed to Jerry springer as opposed to be read to and talked to and worked with, they are already having issues way before K starts. I don't believe they ever really catch up to their peers. Which is why the emphasis on head start and other programs. To do the parents jobs for them so their kids don't suffer from lack of parenting preparation for school.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 8:24:47 GMT -5
Head start isn't really academic in nature though, at least the way that K now is... It's about providing a social, stimulating environment.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 6, 2014 8:51:51 GMT -5
Self esteem is in the toilet they feel stupid and depressed because they have been asked for too long to do things that they are developmental not ready for, in doing so have developed an emotionl wall against it.. I had a long post but lost it. I'm not redoing. Basically, developmental differences make standards before about age 11 counterproductive. After age 11, if deficiencies are aparent then it's much easier/quicker to mitigate with a brain that's capable of abstract reasoning and a psyche which has not been bent by being labeled stupid and ground down by frustration. This is for deficits of achievement. Obviously those with limited potential need different resources earlier and should still be identified. This could've been written exactly for me. I was always in the "dumb" class through 5th grade. Then we got a (THANK GAWD!) teacher who didn't believe in labels who taught the "B" class the same way she taught the "A" class. It was unbelievable how many of us caught up in less than 1/2 a school year and in some cases passed some of the "A" students. By the end of the school year two of us were doing work in the next grade level and skipped a grade the next school year. I also think we test the younger kids too much. More time should be spent on teaching core skills and less time on teaching to the tests.
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Post by Ombud on Oct 6, 2014 9:49:20 GMT -5
If you think of one don't keep it to yourself. We converted the HS to a charter school and the test results went from 60s to 86 1st year, 90s 2nd year. But you are only guaranteed enrollment if (1) live in our tiny city, (2) have a sibling in the school, and (3) go to our city's middle school. Otherwise you're in the lottery system. Works for us as we had 1 there the year before it went charter
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