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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Mar 2, 2011 16:10:24 GMT -5
Hiring people to work for your company is one thing, private homeowners hiring them is another. As for the babysitter example, am I violating child labor laws if I pay a 15 year old to watch my kids (if I had any) for a couple of hours?
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 2, 2011 16:58:21 GMT -5
No, I never have but if I had need of a babysitter your damned right I would. I think it is feasible and a responsible. Please explain to me how you would go about checking the status of a babysitter you are about to hire? I am just curious how that process would work. That is easy, background check.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 2, 2011 17:00:57 GMT -5
Lol, I know right. Wish more people could learn how to be responsible, just imagine a responsible crowd that would be something. Um, yeah. That's what I meant. I sure didn't mean that I want to return to a civil society in which hall monitors have to grow up and find honest work; and OCD was a medical condition / personality defect instead of some people's full time job. I mean, what kind of a shit hole would that be, right? I think it is honorable that you would want to return to a civil society, but the reality of that situation is laughable.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 2, 2011 17:32:37 GMT -5
Please explain to me how you would go about checking the status of a babysitter you are about to hire? I am just curious how that process would work. That is easy, background check. Could you get a little more specific? What documents would you need to get from someone? Do you need paperwork signed by the potential hire approving the background check? Who do you go through to complete the background check? How much does it cost? How long does it take? Scenario - I have 22 inches of snow sitting in my driveway. Normally I shovel myself so I don't have a person on call to shovel, but yesterday I slipped & sprained my wrist, so I can't shovel it myself. A guy comes to my door & offers to shovel for $20. Lead me through the process & timeframe in getting my driveway shoveled so I can make it into work.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 2, 2011 17:45:08 GMT -5
I can't imagine this bill getting off the ground, really. It just doesn't make any sense. With the economic situation in this country, I'm sure there are a lot of our citizens who have lost their jobs in industry who would really love to have a job cleaning houses, or mowing lawns. Something is a darned sight better than nothing.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 2, 2011 17:50:45 GMT -5
The scenario here was for a babysitter. I hope you would put more thought into who is with your kids when you're gone than who is shoveling snow in your driveway...
There are lots of resources online where you can do an instant background check on someone for about $20 or less...criminal history, court documents, driving record, auto registrations, etc.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 2, 2011 17:56:41 GMT -5
<<< I can't imagine this bill getting off the ground, really. It just doesn't make any sense. >>> ...plenty thought equally before 0bamacare was rammed through...
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 2, 2011 18:02:33 GMT -5
I can see the argument for this bill, but inevitably it would be totally unworkable in terms of a total reform and that's what really makes it hypocritical. If it says it only won't proesecute for one-off employment, fine, but I sincerely doubt that's the case. Instead it makes it possible for elites to continue exploiting workers.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 2, 2011 18:07:58 GMT -5
That is easy, background check. Could you get a little more specific? What documents would you need to get from someone? Do you need paperwork signed by the potential hire approving the background check? Who do you go through to complete the background check? How much does it cost? How long does it take? Scenario - I have 22 inches of snow sitting in my driveway. Normally I shovel myself so I don't have a person on call to shovel, but yesterday I slipped & sprained my wrist, so I can't shovel it myself. A guy comes to my door & offers to shovel for $20. Lead me through the process & timeframe in getting my driveway shoveled so I can make it into work. I can see how it would be tedious in this situation and seriously I wouldn't be anal enough for somebody just shoveling the drive way. My intentions were more for the babysitting or personal hire for the house. You can do background checks online, just make sure you find a valid website but you will need the approval of the person you are hiring. My intentions were also for illegals, if an American citizen boy comes to your house to shovel you driveway I have no problem with that. His parents more than likely pays taxes and he more than likely will in the future. I lived in an area with a high population of illegals and saw them sending money overseas through western union weekly and not spending it here. The illegals I talked to did not pay income taxes or one out of the whole family did while the others did not. My whole point is that the legitimate citizens add to the growth of our economy while bearing the hindrance of the illegals(In the majority of the cases).
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 2, 2011 18:13:51 GMT -5
I can see the argument for this bill, but inevitably it would be totally unworkable in terms of a total reform and that's what really makes it hypocritical. If it says it only won't proesecute for one-off employment, fine, but I sincerely doubt that's the case. Instead it makes it possible for elites to continue exploiting workers. Loopdilou, it is hard to focus on your comments with the word Boobs everywhere . I agree with the "elite comment" though, the rep. was probably doing that just because she didn't run checks on her own hires lol.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 2, 2011 18:20:00 GMT -5
JMO, but it is silly to complain about illegal crossings while basicaly condoning some people hiring illegals. Does he realize why they do it in the first place? They should have done it differently,imo.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 2, 2011 18:24:53 GMT -5
Some of you want to criminalize people who hire illegal aliens with jail time? Yes. Serious prison time for a couple of CEO's would go a long way towards solving the problem of people illegally in this country.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 2, 2011 18:26:09 GMT -5
An enforced border would go a lot farther...
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 2, 2011 18:27:31 GMT -5
"unless they are hiring a maid, a lawn caretaker or another houseworker"
If you think about it, isn't that kind of like a slave mentality. Unless they are field workers, planters or servants. Just saying.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 2, 2011 18:29:08 GMT -5
My thinking is taking away the incentive would be a lot more effective and cheaper.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 2, 2011 18:30:07 GMT -5
An enforced border would go a lot farther... How would an enforced border solve "the problem of people illegally in this country"?
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Post by Angel! on Mar 2, 2011 18:32:31 GMT -5
The scenario here was for a babysitter. I hope you would put more thought into who is with your kids when you're gone than who is shoveling snow in your driveway... There are lots of resources online where you can do an instant background check on someone for about $20 or less...criminal history, court documents, driving record, auto registrations, etc. I fail to see the distinction when it comes to whether or not the person is illegal. Several people were arguing that it is my responsibility to determine that someone I hire is legal. I give a scenario & ask how I do it & don't get a specific response - telling me there are a lot of resources online doesn't help me here. Now you are making exceptions to the idea that everyone hired should be verified legal. It is ok if I don't check the status of the snowshoveler, but I need to for a babysitter. Suppose the babysitter is only for a single day & I don't need regular help. I don't see why one is ok & another isn't.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 2, 2011 18:37:01 GMT -5
The scenario here was for a babysitter. I hope you would put more thought into who is with your kids when you're gone than who is shoveling snow in your driveway... There are lots of resources online where you can do an instant background check on someone for about $20 or less...criminal history, court documents, driving record, auto registrations, etc. I fail to see the distinction when it comes to whether or not the person is illegal. Several people were arguing that it is my responsibility to determine that someone I hire is legal. I give a scenario & ask how I do it & don't get a specific response - telling me there are a lot of resources online doesn't help me here. Now you are making exceptions to the idea that everyone hired should be verified legal. It is ok if I don't check the status of the snowshoveler, but I need to for a babysitter. Suppose the babysitter is only for a single day & I don't need regular help. I don't see why one is ok & another isn't. If you want to leave your child with somebody you haven't run a background check on or an illegal for that matter, that is your choice. I am just saying I would never do that.
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 2, 2011 19:24:27 GMT -5
You run background checks on every teenager that babysits your kid?!
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 2, 2011 19:29:25 GMT -5
Great idea! Let's make this country as poor and shitty as the countries these illegals are fleeing, then they won't want to come here!
Do you work for Obama, by any chance?
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 2, 2011 19:31:43 GMT -5
Great idea! Let's make this country as poor and shitty as the countries these illegals are fleeing, then they won't want to come here! Do you work for Obama, by any chance? Wait, so you're ok with exploiting low wage labor?
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 2, 2011 19:36:14 GMT -5
What do you mean by "low wage"?
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 2, 2011 19:38:48 GMT -5
Below minimum wage. Though, the fact that you asked that answers my question
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 2, 2011 19:44:53 GMT -5
Really? You feel people making minimum wage are being "exploited"?
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 2, 2011 19:49:00 GMT -5
Nope.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 2, 2011 19:56:27 GMT -5
Then how did my request for clarification "answer your question"?
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 2, 2011 20:07:24 GMT -5
Because the fact that you had to ask it in relation to whether or not de-incentivizing the hiring of low wage workers means you fundamentally misunderstand WHY people from Mexico come to the US.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 2, 2011 20:31:51 GMT -5
<<< I can see the argument for this bill, but inevitably it would be totally unworkable in terms of a total reform >>> ...agreed...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 20:33:41 GMT -5
I guess i never let a teenager baby sit my kids unless i knew their family very well, is that a background check? I only ever allowed 2 teenagers to babysit my kids... but then i live in a rural area, and have lots of family around.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 20:35:33 GMT -5
Great idea! Let's make this country as poor and shitty as the countries these illegals are fleeing, then they won't want to come here! Do you work for Obama, by any chance? ROFL!!! I agree with ED, 100%! When people stop wanting to come into this country, we will know we are in deep doo doo.
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