ISIS and threats against the U.S. - question

[kent]

There are alleged threats against the U.S. by this group of barbarians.

Let's say they actually start pulling off these threats by doing what they seem to enjoy the most - bombing reservoirs, shopping malls, schools, power stations, dams, etc., etc.

What will be your position and proposed solution?

Negotiate with them?

Stick your head in the sand and dismiss the incident(s) as minor because you weren't personally impacted? 

Be satisfied with greatly increased U.S. security even if it means less personal freedom?

Launch an all out attack on the entire middle east for the purpose of completely annihilating every living thing in that region?

Is there a meaningful alternative/solution to any of those?

What should be done?

[Deleted]

What should be done? Outlaw religion... worldwide.

Can it be done? No.

Would it be done if it could be? Probably "no" as well.

[busymom]

I don't believe negotiation will ever work with those who are members of that group.

Just because they murder in the name of "religion" doesn't mean they actually believe. It's just an excuse to be a bully.

[ArchietheDragon]

A little bit of all of that. Negotiate, ignore, battle, secure.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 25, 2014 23:05:35 GMT -5 @patstab said:

Behead them bad boys when we catch them, while holding a pig of course! Or feed them their last meal of pork chops or barbecue, they won't get their virgins then! If they are religious as they claim it might deter them.

Of course they will get their imgainary virgins. The pork was fed them against their wishes. Why does everyone think if you bomb them with pork fat or throw a pig at them they are somehow cursed? If it is done against their will, then they are not cursed. Same thing for any other religion.

As a side note-why waste a good pig.

[billisonboard]

Sept 25, 2014 19:44:51 GMT -5 kent said:

There are alleged threats against the U.S. by this group of barbarians.

Let's say they actually start pulling off these threats by doing what they seem to enjoy the most - bombing reservoirs, shopping malls, schools, power stations, dams, etc., etc.

What will be your position and proposed solution?

...

What should be done?

Mourn our losses, work to find those responsible, continue to work to not take any more hits, move on.

[marvholly]

Sept 26, 2014 4:21:35 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

Another question that has come up pretty frequently in the news here, is what about the people who leave the US, UK, etc to go fight for ISIS...do you let them come back in the country?

No, their passports should be flagged and/or deactivated so they cannot go anywhere else like UK or EU.

In response to the OP’s question I would say shoot to kill. We have a LOT of states with open or concealed carry laws.

[billisonboard]

Sept 26, 2014 4:21:35 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

Another question that has come up pretty frequently in the news here, is what about the people who leave the US, UK, etc to go fight for ISIS...do you let them come back in the country?

I think that the is in the details here. How is it to be determined that person "x" has "left to fight for ISIS"? Is it only for ISIS or any organization on a "list"? Is it a bureaucratic decision or is a judicial ruling required? Does "fight for" require the firing of a weapon or does, say for example, fixing a vehicle for their use qualify? How about attending a rally or march in their support while overseas? I think there is potential danger for abuse in doing so, but passage of laws that would allow for charges to be filed if they return would be better than banning their return.

[Tennesseer]

I wonder if this pilot now has a price on her head. Oh the insult to the ISIS fighters' manhood!

UAE's first female fighter pilot led airstrike against ISIS


Maj. Mariam Al Mansouri may be ISIS' worst nightmare.

The first female fighter pilot in the United Arab Emirates, she led a strike mission this week against the terror group, that country's ambassador to the United States said Thursday.

"She is (a) fully qualified, highly trained, combat ready pilot, and she led the mission," Yousef Al Otaiba told MSNBC's "Morning Joe."The UAE has joined the United States and a handful of other Arab nations in conducting airstrikes against ISIS in Syria.

Rest of article here: UAE's first female fighter pilot led airstrike against ISIS

[djAdvocate]

Sept 25, 2014 19:44:51 GMT -5 kent said:

There are alleged threats against the U.S. by this group of barbarians.

Let's say they actually start pulling off these threats by doing what they seem to enjoy the most - bombing reservoirs, shopping malls, schools, power stations, dams, etc., etc.

i am quite skeptical that they will be able to pull this off.

what makes you think they can do it?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 25, 2014 23:32:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 25, 2014 19:44:51 GMT -5 kent said:

There are alleged threats against the U.S. by this group of barbarians.

Let's say they actually start pulling off these threats by doing what they seem to enjoy the most - bombing reservoirs, shopping malls, schools, power stations, dams, etc., etc.

What will be your position and proposed solution?

...

What should be done?

Mourn our losses, work to find those responsible, continue to work to not take any more hits, move on.

bingo.  turning this country into a police state over POTENTIAL threats means that we have already lost.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 25, 2014 20:57:21 GMT -5 busymom said:

I don't believe negotiation will ever work with those who are members of that group.

Just because they murder in the name of "religion" doesn't mean they actually believe. It's just an excuse to be a bully.

i agree with the last part, but not the first.  but i am curious, WHY don't you think that they can be negotiated with?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 25, 2014 23:05:35 GMT -5 @patstab said:

Behead them bad boys when we catch them, while holding a pig of course! Or feed them their last meal of pork chops or barbecue, they won't get their virgins then! If they are religious as they claim it might deter them.

it is not against the Koran or the Torah to eat pork if it is all you have to eat.  survival is ultimately the goal.

[kent]

Sept 26, 2014 12:45:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 25, 2014 19:44:51 GMT -5 kent said:

There are alleged threats against the U.S. by this group of barbarians.

Let's say they actually start pulling off these threats by doing what they seem to enjoy the most - bombing reservoirs, shopping malls, schools, power stations, dams, etc., etc.

i am quite skeptical that they will be able to pull this off.

what makes you think they can do it?

You're skeptical they are able?  You have GOT to be kidding me!

What makes me think they can do it?  Once again, you have GOT to be kidding me!  They've been doing it for years.

bingo. turning this country into a police state over POTENTIAL threats means that we have already lost.

I'm not talking about "potential' threats.  I said if they "actually" pull them off what is your position?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 26, 2014 12:54:47 GMT -5 kent said:

Sept 26, 2014 12:45:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i am quite skeptical that they will be able to pull this off.

what makes you think they can do it?

You're skeptical they are able?  You have GOT to be kidding me!

i rarely joke.

What makes me think they can do it?  Once again, you have GOT to be kidding me!  They've been doing it for years.

please list me three examples of successful domestic terrorism against pubic asset targets involving Islamic extremists in the US since 911.

bingo. turning this country into a police state over POTENTIAL threats means that we have already lost.

I'm not talking about "potential' threats.  I said if they "actually" pull them off what is your position?

you're not reading.  i already stated my position.  it is the same as bills.  the most successful approach to dealing with terrorism is not the military one- it is the civilian and judicial one.  treat them like criminals.  that is, in fact, what they are.  treating them like holy warriors is not only NOT justified, it is precisely what they want.

caving into their logic is no better than appeasement, imo.

[kent]

Sept 26, 2014 12:58:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 26, 2014 12:54:47 GMT -5 kent said:

You're skeptical they are able?  You have GOT to be kidding me!

i rarely joke.

What makes me think they can do it?  Once again, you have GOT to be kidding me!  They've been doing it for years.

please list me three examples of successful domestic terrorism against pubic asset targets involving Islamic extremists since 911.

I'm not talking about "potential' threats.  I said if they "actually" pull them off what is your position?

you're not reading.  i already stated my position.  it is the same as bills.  the most successful approach to dealing with terrorism is not the military one- it is the civilian and judicial one.  treat them like criminals.  that is, in fact, what they are.  treating them like holy warriors is not only NOT justified, it is precisely what they want.

caving into their logic is no better than appeasement, imo.

I respect your position (and that of Bills) but.....

OMG!  I'm the one that's not reading?  I said, IF THEY ACTUALLY attacked.  Likewise I NEVER said or implied WE have been attacked since 911.  Nothing like trying to obfuscate things......

[b2r]

                               www.cbsnews.com/news/police-woman-beheaded-at-oklahoma-workplace/

MOORE, Okla. - Police say a woman who was killed by a co-worker at a food distribution center in suburban Oklahoma City was beheaded and that witnesses have said the suspect had been trying to convince co-workers to convert to Islam.

Moore Police Sgt. Jeremy Lewis said Friday that 30-year-old Alton Nolen had been terminated from Vaughan Foods in Moore, where he worked as a production line employee, shortly before the incident took place on Thursday afternoon.

Lewis said Nolen exited the building after being fired and went to the parking lot where he drove his vehicle to the front of the business and hit another car. Nolen then walked into the front office and began attacking a woman with a standard knife used in the business, Lewis said.

Colleen Hufford, 54, was beheaded and another woman, 43-year-old Traci Johnson, was stabbed. Both victims were employees of Vaughan Foods, but according to Lewis, it appeared the women were not targeted and were instead stabbed at random.

Mark Vaughn, an off-duty officer who also serves as chief operating officer of the business, shot Nolen as he was stabbing Johnson.
Sgt. Lewis touted Vaughn as a hero Friday and said he saved Johnson's life.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 26, 2014 13:36:38 GMT -5 kent said:

Sept 26, 2014 12:58:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you're not reading.  i already stated my position.  it is the same as bills.  the most successful approach to dealing with terrorism is not the military one- it is the civilian and judicial one.  treat them like criminals.  that is, in fact, what they are.  treating them like holy warriors is not only NOT justified, it is precisely what they want.

caving into their logic is no better than appeasement, imo.

I respect your position (and that of Bills) but.....

OMG!  I'm the one that's not reading?  I said, IF THEY ACTUALLY attacked.  Likewise I NEVER said or implied WE have been attacked since 911.  Nothing like trying to obfuscate things......

yes, your obfuscation is rather annoying.  your OP is talking about the US, and what we should do SHOULD we be attacked.

i asked a very simple question: how many hard targets have been hit since 911 by radical Islamists in the US?

if you think that question is irrelevant, i am baffled as to why.  it is, after all, the subject of the discussion.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 26, 2014 13:42:38 GMT -5 b2r said:

                               www.cbsnews.com/news/police-woman-beheaded-at-oklahoma-workplace/

MOORE, Okla. - Police say a woman who was killed by a co-worker at a food distribution center in suburban Oklahoma City was beheaded and that witnesses have said the suspect had been trying to convince co-workers to convert to Islam.

Moore Police Sgt. Jeremy Lewis said Friday that 30-year-old Alton Nolen had been terminated from Vaughan Foods in Moore, where he worked as a production line employee, shortly before the incident took place on Thursday afternoon.

Lewis said Nolen exited the building after being fired and went to the parking lot where he drove his vehicle to the front of the business and hit another car. Nolen then walked into the front office and began attacking a woman with a standard knife used in the business, Lewis said.

Colleen Hufford, 54, was beheaded and another woman, 43-year-old Traci Johnson, was stabbed. Both victims were employees of Vaughan Foods, but according to Lewis, it appeared the women were not targeted and were instead stabbed at random.

Mark Vaughn, an off-duty officer who also serves as chief operating officer of the business, shot Nolen as he was stabbing Johnson.
Sgt. Lewis touted Vaughn as a hero Friday and said he saved Johnson's life.

i specifically asked about hard targets, b2r.  the reason i asked is twofold:

one) everyone knows about the Boston Marathon, the Ft Hood guy, and the DC Sniper.  too easy.
two) kent SPECIFICALLY mentioned hard targets in the OP, not soft targets. 

so, i am doing what the military calls a "threat assessment".  part of that, given the pantheon of very real attacks by Islamists, is to assess what they have done to date.

i asked a very simple question: what US hard targets have been hit in the last (13) years by radical Islamists?

[Deleted]

Ok. I admit I haven't been paying attention to news. Can you just tell me if there is any reason I shouldn't be in London, Romania or Iceland next month? 

[djAdvocate]

Sept 26, 2014 14:27:19 GMT -5 oped said:

Ok. I admit I haven't been paying attention to news. Can you just tell me if there is any reason I shouldn't be in London, Romania or Iceland next month? 

other than volcanic activity, i can't think of any.

[ArchietheDragon]

Sept 26, 2014 14:27:19 GMT -5 oped said:

Ok. I admit I haven't been paying attention to news. Can you just tell me if there is any reason I shouldn't be in London, Romania or Iceland next month? 

London is friggen expensive.   Stay away and save your money. 

[Deleted]

London is friggen expensive. I think I'm spending more there than the rest of the trip  
But I'm one and done there I think, see BIL and nephews and London and I've 'done it'... Next time, if there is one, I'll go through Amsterdam. 

So far just Lava .. Only ash redirects flights I guess! 

I was thinking more terror threats. Is there a place to check those?

[wyouser]

Sept 26, 2014 14:36:22 GMT -5 oped said:

London is friggen expensive. I think I'm spending more there than the rest of the trip  
But I'm one and done there I think, see BIL and nephews and London and I've 'done it'... Next time, if there is one, I'll go through Amsterdam. 

So far just Lava .. Only ash redirects flights I guess! 

I was thinking more terror threats. Is there a place to check those?

I don't know about a place to check for terror threats, however if you pass through the Schipol airport in Amsterdam just tell the security folks at the second checkpoint that the last place you physically went through your luggage was in Dachau (the concentration camp complex outside of Munich). They will immediately interpet you as having said Dacca  (city in Bangladesh) which will entail a considerably longer security check for you before you get to board your plane

[djAdvocate]

Sept 26, 2014 14:36:22 GMT -5 oped said:

London is friggen expensive. I think I'm spending more there than the rest of the trip  
But I'm one and done there I think, see BIL and nephews and London and I've 'done it'... Next time, if there is one, I'll go through Amsterdam. 

So far just Lava .. Only ash redirects flights I guess!

that is what i was referring to. 

I was thinking more terror threats. Is there a place to check those?

yeah, i think there is.  well, at least there WAS.

the US used to publish a document called "terror threats worldwide".  they stopped publishing it under that name (maybe, at all) when it showed that our crazy ass terror war was actually driving terror activity up.  that was bad for PR.

edit: if you want to expatriate to a country with virtually no terrorist threat, you should consider those nations that mind their own business.  a place like Costa Rica, for example, is a really good bet.  the fact that they have no standing army is a bonus.  i like Malta, Costa Rica, Canada, and Australia all to varying degrees.

[Tennesseer]

oped-Check the U.S. State Department website for travel advisories.

Just remember-trouble can pop up just about anywhere in the world at any time.  When you least expect it....

[Deleted]

Ok. The only thing close on there is Ukraine, and we'll be in the area which puts Moldova between us and the Ukraine... 

[djAdvocate]

Sept 26, 2014 16:52:33 GMT -5 oped said:

Ok. The only thing close on there is Ukraine, and we'll be in the area which puts Moldova between us and the Ukraine... 

where you going in Romania? 

if you go anywhere near CLEJANI, i strongly recommend that you go see:

Taraf De Haidouks and/or
Mahala Rai Banda

they are, in my totally arrogant opinion, two of the best bands in the world. 

[Tennesseer]

Sept 26, 2014 16:52:33 GMT -5 oped said:

Ok. The only thing close on there is Ukraine, and we'll be in the area which puts Moldova between us and the Ukraine... 

Other than what you saw about The Ukraine, just keep up to date on the news during your travels and keep a low profile.

[wyouser]

Haidouks?  They play gypsie music do they not?  I'm not real familiar with them.