States Questioning Obama's Citzenship

[Tennesseer]

Mar 2, 2011 17:34:12 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

I think it is a lot harder than that to kill a conspiracy theory

Indeed, look at all the liberals, some on this board, who think George W. Bush ordered the 9/11 attacks...

Seeing you are claiming there are some liberals on this board who claim George W. Bush ordered 9/11, you really should flush out those liberals ed. We need to know who they are.

I (and I assume many others) await your list of names and their quotes supporting George W. Bush ordered all the death and destruction on 9/11/01 posted here.

[billisonboard]

Mar 2, 2011 18:06:46 GMT -5 henryclay said:

If Obama, whose father was not an American citizen, qualifies for the presidency based on having been born in one of the United States, then what would be the response to someone else running whose teenager American mother was married to an H1 legal alien?

Would that person qualify to be president under the Constitution?
If not, why not, because that's what we have now. And if yes, then where in the Constitution is it covered?

We can play games of "if" all day long. We can study 200-300 year old law and theories. When it comes right down to it, we have two choices. We can have expert findings which will determine for the American voter whether someone is "technically" qualified to be their president or we can have the American voter be the final judge on the technicalities of what it means to be a Natural Born Citizen. IM(not so)HO, the second is the better choice.

[mmhmm]

Those liberals with whom I'm familiar on this board don't believe George Bush had anything to do with 9/11. I'm pretty sure krickitt believes he did, however. I think she's said she's a conservative.

[Tennesseer]

mmhmm-ed says it's so; ergo, it is true.

You are such a doubting Thomas.

[ed1066]

We need to know who they are.

They know who they are. But I still can't understand your deep hatred for all Christians...

[Loopdilou]

I want to know who they are too, so that I can point and laugh at them.

[henryclay]

Tennesseer, woops, my apologies tennesseer.

bills, , , I believe the Founders made provisions for amending that 200 - -300 year old set of laws you are so willing to disregard in order to satisfy the whims of a flash-in-the-pan moment in history, and "the American voter" is part of it, but on a slightly higher and formal level than that which your scenario captures.

Too, you failed to answer either question. Your response was typically flippant and probably brought joy to your soul that you could make it without, thank you very much, contributing anything of value to the discussion.

But of course, flippant and non responsive posts are the stock in trade of some posters here, aren't they?

[ed1066]

Maybe they will come forward on their own. LOL! I wouldn't either, I'd be too embarassed...

[billisonboard]

Mar 2, 2011 19:23:01 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Tennesseer, I believe the Founders made provisions for amending that 200 - -300 year old set of laws you are so willing to disregard in order to satisfy the whims of a flash-in-the-pan moment in history, and "the American voter" is part of it, but on a slightly higher and formal level than that which your scenario captures.

Too, you failed to answer either question. Your response was typically flippant and probably brought joy to your soul that you could make it without, thank you very much, contributing anything of value to the discussion.

But of course, flippant and non responsive posts are the stock in trade of some posters here, aren't they?

henryclay,
This intended for Tenn... or me?

[ihearyou2]

I had hoped that this waste of time had died back during election season, its sad to see a story like this have two year old legs. Its a disservice to conservatives.

[Loopdilou]

Mar 2, 2011 18:06:46 GMT -5 henryclay said:

If Obama, whose father was not an American citizen, qualifies for the presidency based on having been born in one of the United States, then what would be the response to someone else running whose teenager American mother was married to an H1 legal alien?

Would that person qualify to be president under the Constitution?
If not, why not, because that's what we have now. And if yes, then where in the Constitution is it covered?

Yes and I'm pretty sure it's covered under the whole "Natural Born Citizen" bit and the 14th amendment... last I checked.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

Mar 2, 2011 18:08:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 2, 2011 17:22:08 GMT -5 BeenThere...DoneThat... said:

<<< If the appropriate state officials in Arizona, Tennessee, Minnesota, etc. state they have seen the documentation, would that be sufficient proof for all? >>>

...probably not... remember, we've learned that politicians can lie... I mean, misrepresent...
;D

Then why do we need more laws?

...I think his citizenship should be "proven" elsewhere... but I would certainly be supportive of any state passing new regulations that more effectively control the vetting process of applicants who want to run for public office...

ETA: ...I forgot my emoticon!

[henryclay]

I wonder why is it that no liberal will tackle the problem of presidential candidates meeting the requirements of the Constitution. If the Constitutional qualifications mean nothing, why bother with any requirements at all? To go further and try to uncover the depth of their honest convictions, I wonder if any of the liberals here would care to spell out what, if any, restrictions they would recommend be placed on an aspiring presidential candidate? As of right now there are only two, , , be a natural born citizen and be 35 years old.

Truth be actually known, there is no universally accepted proof of either of those, in re Obama. . . . . but that is another matter. The country is ill served because of that lack of proof. Obama could put an end to it for the good of the country, but he won't. In many people's eye his continuing down that path is tantamount to Obama's placing himself and his own private history foremost over the the service he has sworn to provide to the country.. . . . . Not a good thing.
The question is fair. . . What restrictions should be placed on aspiring presidential candidates?

So , , what restrictions, if any, should be placed on anyone who wants to seek the office of president of the US?

[rockon]

Same here. Seems like common sense would compel most to support laws that make sure a candidate meets the constitutional requirements.

[Deleted]

sinking low, mmhmm?? NObody that knows me would believe what you said about me, and you and your buddies can tee-hee all you want, there is nothing whatsoever to think one person outside your "click" will listen to you. Anyone with a brain can see you guys have it in for me. I would assume those folks with a brain would completely skip any thread all of us are on-- or just put us all on mute. I sure would, if I saw such a display. Sorry, kids. I avoid them when I can, but I have no control over where or how they post.

[chiver78]

Mar 2, 2011 18:06:46 GMT -5 henryclay said:

If Obama, whose father was not an American citizen, qualifies for the presidency based on having been born in one of the United States, then what would be the response to someone else running whose teenager American mother was married to an H1 legal alien?

Would that person qualify to be president under the Constitution?
If not, why not, because that's what we have now. And if yes, then where in the Constitution is it covered?

why *wouldn't* the person in your example qualify to run for President? I was unaware our citizenship rules differed whether the citizen parent was male or female.

oh...and I will echo - don't we have more important things to worry about than those things already cleared up by all legal avenues?

[billisonboard]

Mar 2, 2011 21:35:06 GMT -5 henryclay said:

I wonder why is it that no liberal will tackle the problem of presidential candidates meeting the requirements of the Constitution. ...

I tackled the problem in reply #31. I just now saw that you had questioned how I addressed it.

Mar 2, 2011 19:23:01 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Tennesseer, woops, my apologies tennesseer.

bills, , , I believe the Founders made provisions for amending that 200 - -300 year old set of laws ...

There is a provision for amending the Constitution but that is not what I was referring to as the "laws and theories". Within the Constitution itself, there is no definition of what qualifies one to be a "natural born Citizen". Therefore it is necessary to go outside of that document to determine the exact perimeters of what makes a person such. So where do we go? Articles that I have read on the subject have refereed to what the term meant 200-300 years ago in laws and documents.

Too, you failed to answer either question. Your response was typically flippant and probably brought joy to your soul that you could make it without, thank you very much, contributing anything of value to the discussion.

I did answer the question. I indicated that on technicalities that the American voter should make the call. I am not sure how that is "flippant".

But of course, flippant and non responsive posts are the stock in trade of some posters here, aren't they?

I thoughtfully dealt with the topic of the thread.

[flopsy]

Mar 1, 2011 20:44:49 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Have you guys noticed how pretty Hil is these days?? Whaddup wit dat??

she hires better and better makeup, hair, and clothing people as time passes. have you seen pics of her in the 70s/80s? UGH

[henryclay]

".........I thoughtfully dealt with the topic of the thread............"

I say again, and your comment above bares the facts, (bares, not bears), in your apparent understanding of the word "thoughtfully", , , , , " Your response was typically flippant and probably brought joy to your soul that you could make it without, thank you very much, contributing anything of value to the discussion."

You have made my point once again, so also once again I'll leave you with the entire field to play in.

[billisonboard]

Mar 2, 2011 22:47:04 GMT -5 henryclay said:

".........I thoughtfully dealt with the topic of the thread............"

I say again, and your comment above bares the facts, (bares, not bears), in your apparent understanding of the word "thoughtfully", , , , , " Your response was typically flippant and probably brought joy to your soul that you could make it without, thank you very much, contributing anything of value to the discussion."

You have made my point once again, so also once again I'll leave you with the entire field to play in.

Deal with the substance of my comment.

[burnsattornincan]

I agree with Huckabee, if there was something there they are hardball players and would have used it.

I don't think so. Imagine the shock wave that revelation would have made to the Democrat bid for presidency. If the Clintons had in fact found proof he was not born in the US they probably had made a deal that they would duke it out with Obama in the primaries and if he won it would be his last turn, win or lose the presidency, and Hillary (the pathological liar) would take control from that point. Why do you think she is so out of the limelight? To ensure she is fresh and ready to pounce in 2012. I shudder at the thought of her being President of the United States.

[privateinvestor]

The 10 other states with pending bills include: Arizona, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Connecticut, Indiana, Nebraska, Tennessee and Maine. The measure has failed this year in Montana.

Deminmaine, It seems as if the state of Maine legislators have serious doubts about President Obama's birth....how do you spin or hype this away??

BTW pls note that CA and MA are not one of the ten states who have bills pending on this issue.....but you can bet they are watching to see what happens in other states about Obama not being a ciitizen of the USA.....there might just be someting there but who knows?? Certainly NOT the liberals who have been bashing and trashing anyone who brings up this subject...IMHO

[privateinvestor]

Mar 2, 2011 18:15:40 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Those liberals with whom I'm familiar on this board don't believe George Bush had anything to do with 9/11. I'm pretty sure krickitt believes he did, however. I think she's said she's a conservative.

Liberals don't believe George Bush had anything to do with 9/11

What does bringing up this again have to do with "States Questioning Obama's Citizenship"...? There were some dems in the ten states that passed this legislation who voted for it...BTW so it is not just a bunch of conservatives or rep publicans who have concerns about Obama's birth....but maybe you missed that factoid??

“Governor Huckabee simply misspoke when he alluded to President Obama growing up in ‘Kenya.’ The Governor meant to say the President grew up in Indonesia.”

“When the Governor mentioned he wanted to know more about the President, he wasn’t talking about the President’s place of birth – the Governor believes the President was born in Hawaii. The Governor would however like to know more about where President Obama’s liberal policies come from and what else the President plans to do to this country – as do most Americans.”

[billisonboard]

A (The?) positive result of questioning the citizenship of President Obama is that it has highlighted the fact that states do not have in place procedures to certify that members of the Electoral College voted in by the voters of their state will vote for someone who is eligible under the Constitution. Certainly not a bad thing to have such a procedure in place.

[henryclay]

"....................procedures to certify that members of the Electoral College voted in by the voters of their state will vote for someone who is eligible under the Constitution.............."

I read that as, by your apparent definition, a piece of "thoroughly dealt with" language, because it flies directly in the face of your prior stated choice that, the Constitution being 200- 300 years old, today's voters are the best ones to decide whether a person is qualified.

Why is it that you want someone else to decide? Why can't you start by making your idea of the qualificatins known right here on this thread?

[billisonboard]

Mar 3, 2011 9:00:53 GMT -5 henryclay said:

"....................procedures to certify that members of the Electoral College voted in by the voters of their state will vote for someone who is eligible under the Constitution.............."

I read that as typically "thoroughly" dealt with language. Never mind it flies directly in the face of your prior comment that your choice would be for the voters to decide whether a person is qualified.

...

I support our representative form of government. The people elected their state legislatures and governors. If those elected officials pass a bill that spells out what is, in their state, the acceptable criteria and necessary documentation for one to be qualified under the Constitution to be president, the governor signs it into law, and, if challenged in court, it meets Constitutional muster I am good with that. (if the voters of the state aren't satisfied with the law, they can vote in people who can change it.) If a state does not pass such a bill, I am good with the voters determining acceptable criteria and necessary documentation by the casting of their vote in an election.

Mar 3, 2011 9:00:53 GMT -5 henryclay said:

... Why cant you start by making your idea of the qualificatins known right here on this thread?

I will end with my personal opinion if that is okay . I am good with a person born either on American soil or being born anywhere in the world with at least one parent a United States Citizen as meeting the Constitutional requirement of "natural born Citizen". I think that "the Age of thirty five Years" should be calculated from day of live birth. I think that any time that the individual spent outside the United States when either the minor child of a person serving or the individual themselves serving the United States government in an official capacity should not disqualify them from the "fourteen Years a Resident within the United States" requirement.

[Bluerobin]

I am surprised that folks are still kicking this dead dog!

[billisonboard]

Mar 3, 2011 9:42:01 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

I am surprised that folks are still kicking this dead dog!

Why are you surprised?

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[swamp]

But state representatives aren't proposing laws about it................

[billisonboard]

Mar 3, 2011 10:04:05 GMT -5 swamp said:

But state representatives aren't proposing laws about it................

What does "it" refer to in this statement?