ISIS Releases Video Showing Beheading of British Hostage

[mmhmm]

Terrorist group Islamic State released a video Saturday purportedly showing the execution of British aid worker David Haines.

It is the third time the organization, which has seized large swaths of Iraq and Syria, beheaded a captive and released a video of the execution, intending to send a message to Western nations. Britain recently said it would send machine guns and ammunition to Iraq to help that government battle the militants, who are also known as ISIS, and it is weighing whether to participate in possible airstrikes in Syria against the terror group.


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[Jaguar]

Here's more on this horror.

www.cnn.com/2014/09/13/world/meast/isis-haines-family-message/index.html

[mmhmm]

I guess we all knew it was coming. Still, I'm so sorry for his friends and family.   

[Jaguar]

Sept 13, 2014 18:56:48 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I guess we all knew it was coming. Still, I'm so sorry for his friends and family.   

Yes and they showed who the next one is, another British citizen. It's unfortunate that so many will die cause a couple thousand are beyond stupid. I hope that when the dust settles most if not all of ISIS is destroyed.

[mmhmm]

I think anyone sane hopes the same, Sugi. It isn't going to be easy, and it isn't going to go quickly. It's an ugly situation and one we all hate to have to involve ourselves with, but this monstrosity has to be excised.

[Value Buy]

"Isis, conquering the world one beheading at a time".

I think it is time to tell Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the rest, to clean up their messes or we will.

And when I mean we will, I leave nothing off the table.

[Jaguar]

Oh yeah, send the turds onward to where they belong.

[mmhmm]

Sept 13, 2014 19:26:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

"Isis, conquering the world one beheading at a time".

I think it is time to tell Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the rest, to clean up their messes or we will.

And when I mean we will, I leave nothing off the table.

Those countries are just as concerned as we in the west are, VB. This isn't something they want, either. What this group of creeps has done is galvanize the world. Nobody wants this sort of horror in their country.

[Value Buy]

Israel has to be so happy right now. They have fallen so far off the media's attention, there are some networks that could no longer find them on a world atlas.

[marvholly]

I, too, am sorry for the man’s family and friends. However, I am glad to see that it is NOT just US citizens getting beheaded. While England has pretty much been w/the US in responding to the ISIS problems it may make other countries (esp those w/captives in ISIS hands) think about their REAL response, not just mouth platitudes & fake promises but actual participation.

[deziloooooo]

Sept 13, 2014 19:31:40 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Sept 13, 2014 19:26:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

"Isis, conquering the world one beheading at a time".

I think it is time to tell Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the rest, to clean up their messes or we will.

And when I mean we will, I leave nothing off the table.

Those countries are just as concerned as we in the west are, VB. This isn't something they want, either. What this group of creeps has done is galvanize the world. Nobody wants this sort of horror in their country.

I agree they are concerned but there was just a conference dealing with the topic, I believe ten governments were involved and none of them would commit to joining together to combate the enemy that theyn all say they are..ISIS..in fact Turkey said leave them completly out of it ..no use of airports and in Turkey..which would be important to strike ISIS areas in the North of Syria and Iraq..even to being able to move through their country ..Jordan the same way...To me these countries are on the front lines of this group...yet it seems they don't have the will to join together or are still more interested in the secterian  differences between them to really come together in united front...To be fair , Europeon countries seem to have the same problem...

[billisonboard]

Sept 13, 2014 19:53:15 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

... When the Japanese got imperialistic, with religious overtones, and everything, we nuked them, and they decided they were pacifists.  We haven't tried to repeat the process since, and I'm starting to wonder why not.  It worked pretty well the first time.

I can see two reasons. The first is that the United States was at war with Japan. The US dropped two bombs within the territorial boundaries of Japan. Where would we target a nuclear attack today? The second reason is that the rest of the world now has nuclear capability.

[damnotagain]

I say load up all the moderate Islamic Muslims in the US ,  send them over and let them teach the Islamic ISIS Muslims about being well ,  ...  moderate Islamic Muslims.

After all they read the same books. 

[mmhmm]

Jordan has been training members of the Free Syrian army but is concerned about Saudi's involvement. They're afraid Saudi will support Al-Nusra, which they feel is as bad as ISIS. There's still contention amongst the Middle Eastern countries, and I can understand their position. The countries surrounding Iraq are afraid this mess is going to set off disaster in their populations. Turkey has said it will provide humanitarian aid but won't be involved in any military operations. That makes sense when you realize ISIS holds more than 40 Turks hostage. Germany doesn't want to be involved in any bombing. Allies and non-allies alike, in some cases, are dragging their feet. However, if ISIS continues with the beheadings and murders of anybody in their paths, positions like that are going to change ... and ISIS will continue. The mess in Syria just complicates matters further. It's a lot different, I think, to sit across and ocean and develop plans than it would be to do the same thing while eye-to-eye with the "problem".

This is still shaking itself out, as I see it. I imagine some countries will be involved covertly. Not all feel it necessary, or prudent, to flap their gums about what they're going to do. The Middle Eastern countries will have to work out their involvements together. We can't do it for them. They've had silent battles going on between them for years. Now, they're faced with those silent battles becoming noisier than they ever dreamed.

[billisonboard]

Sept 13, 2014 19:53:15 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

...When the Japanese got imperialistic, with religious overtones, and everything, we nuked them, and they decided they were pacifists.  We haven't tried to repeat the process since, and I'm starting to wonder why not.  It worked pretty well the first time.

Sept 14, 2014 14:13:12 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Where would we target a nuclear attack today?

The largest ISIS stronghold/training camp our intelligence services can find. ...

I guess I misunderstood what you were suggesting. We used the atomic bombs on civilian targets. What would be the advantage of a nuclear attack on the type of target you suggest (as opposed to conventional weapons)?

[kent]

As Shaun said,

Find the largest ISIS target we can and turn it into a smoking hole in the ground that will be too toxic for human habitation for a generation. We could go the other way and target civilian populations in ISIS controlled areas to try and make it clear that anybody who supports, shelters, or in any way helps them is fair game too. Sort of a, if we're getting involved we'll destroy anything that stands between us and their total destruction kind of thing. The rest of the world would despise us for it though.

 Yep.  War is war - you fight to win.  We shouldn't be talking about "degrading," "diminishing" or "managing" this pack of barbarians.  Kill them all and let God/Allah sort it out.  And, FWIW, I frankly don't care what the rest of the world thinks about us. 

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in memory of journalist, James Foley, beheaded by ISIS--His parents would like his picture to go VIRAL instead of the ISIS beheading video.
August 2014

[Jaguar]

In memory of aid worker, David Cawthorne Haines

[billisonboard]

Sept 14, 2014 15:13:48 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

... Psychological impact.  There are few things that say "We're done fucking around and will annihilate you completely if necessary" better than turning people into shadows permanently burned into brick walls. ...

I am sure it would have psychological impact. I am not sure it would have an impact that would play to our long term advantage. We could certainly let the nuclear genie out of the bottle and see what the results would be.

[Jaguar]

They know who the executioner is :

www.cnn.com/2014/09/14/opinion/bergen-british-connection-isis-beheadings/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Jaguar]

In memory of journalist, Steven Sotloff

[Jaguar]

Please be careful looking at Google images, the full execution images are also there.

[sesfw]

Seeing as how the US is too politically correct to wipe out this pocket of evil I'm hoping someone in the EU goes after them.

This has to stop.

In memory of these three.

[kent]

Sept 14, 2014 15:40:12 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

And, FWIW, I frankly don't care what the rest of the world thinks about us.

Only problem being that attitude is why there are so many terrorist/guerrilla groups around the world that hate us now.  If we'd kept our noses and corporate conglomerates out of their affairs since the end of WWII they wouldn't be targeting us now.  You ever see Swiss citizens getting kidnapped, threatened, beheaded, or terrorist groups calling them the great Satan?  Nope.  Not a friggin peep.  They hate us because we can't help but muck around in everyone else's business.  We take sides in civil wars, topple democratically elected governments that we don't like, arm their enemies, turn our backs on allies after arming them and pushing them to fight other groups leaving their country in ruins.  We've kind of been ginormous asshats on the world stage for a few generations.

We can either continue in that vein and crush every group of pissant religious freaks that have a problem with it, or we can take a different path and stay out of it, but if we're staying out of it, we should stay out of everything.  The rest of the world can no longer call us every time they run into trouble.  They can provide their own humanitarian aid during droughts, tsunamis, tribal warfare, etc.  The UN can no longer send in a "multinational force" which is basically 95% US troops, and a couple token soldiers from other countries.  We're no longer going to be the worlds police force that they can deride and treat like shit, but call on whenever things get hard.

I really can't disagree with what you've said Shaun.  However, what bothers me is that if we don't "stick our noses in" their influence will spread so far and wide that by the time we wake up there will be more of them than can be dealt with effectively and that can't be good for our children and grand children as they live their lives under sharia law controlled by lunatics mentally lost in primordial times.

If I thought for a split second the U.S could look the other way and the problem would get solved, I'd be elated.  The problem is, those living under this radical mentality haven't got the brains or fortitude to do anything about it so they sit on their collective asses and expect us to solve their problems.  Inaction will most assuredly lead to the day when "they" are on our soil creating the same kind of horrific problems - Red Dawn.  

Imagine a world suddenly absent these people.  While not perfect for sure, I'd bet it would be significantly more peaceful.  Ask yourselves this, "What do they actually contribute to society?"  As far as I know, they don't produce much, if anything, of real value do they?

You can probably surmise I more than a little tired of "tolerating" this "Radical Islam" BS.  

[marvholly]

Personally I am hoping one of the 40 some odd Turkish nationals being held captive hits the beheading video list SOON. then maybe the Turks will get off their diffs & join the rest of their NATO allies in seeking to eliminate these people. We sure could use the access to their bases for the air strikes.

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Sept 15, 2014 5:06:10 GMT -5 marvholly said:

Personally I am hoping one of the 40 some odd Turkish nationals being held captive hits the beheading video list SOON. then maybe the Turks will get off their diffs & join the rest of their NATO allies in seeking to eliminate these people. We sure could use the access to their bases for the air strikes.

If it's limited to Air Strikes, we actually don't even need access to their airbases. All we need is overflight privileges for our armed aircraft.

Park a couple of Carriers in the Mediterranean Sea, one or two in the Persian Gulf. Plus, aircraft can be based in Germany at our bases there, and be "topped up" (fuel wise) in flight by either Air Force tankers or Navy tankers.

Not to mention we have two Airbases in Turkey that we don't "need permission" to use. They are ours. One in Adana and one in Izmir. (assuming that data is still "good" and they haven't been closed)

[Shooby]

marvholly said""Personally I am hoping one of the 40 some odd Turkish nationals being held captive hits the beheading video list SOON. then maybe the Turks will get off their diffs & join the rest of their NATO allies in seeking to eliminate these people. We sure could use the access to their bases for the air strikes.""

So, our strategy is to hope other people from other countries get beheaded too?

[Shooby]

If ISIS can go about filming and taking selfies then I would think we should be able to find them with good Intel.

[Jaguar]

ISIS video claims to show beheading of Alan Henning; American threatened


www.cnn.com/2014/10/03/world/meast/isis-alan-henning-beheading/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/alan-henning-beheading-by-isis-purportedly-shown-in-internet-video/ar-BB7iIe6


In remembrance of Alan Henning.