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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 20, 2014 1:22:44 GMT -5
All I know is, if the Fed says the economy is struggling, people still unemployed, under employed. I think I will go with their description rather than DJ'S who is this DJ of whom you speak? can't be me, because i have said all of the things you just claimed i didn't say. but of course, even at "full employment" all of those things are possibly true, so it is really not saying much. but you go ahead, VB. you listen to someone telling you precisely the same stuff i would.
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Post by Opti on Sept 20, 2014 1:23:10 GMT -5
Three decades of watching healthcare and college costs shoot through the roof, which is extra painful since the value of the degree has gone down the whole time. Three decades of stagnant or declining wages, and certain industries contracting year after year after year. The death of pensions. The decline of unions. Soaring government debt. A decade long war. We have the first generation in American history expected to live shorter lives than their parents. Along with that, most of us expect to make less, on an inflation adjusted basis, than our parents, while having to shoulder far more debt, even on an inflation adjusted basis. Employer loyalty is a quaint antiquated notion. We're all cogs in the machine that they'd love to replace with robots, foreign labor, or foreign robot labor if they could. SS is going broke, and for people my age the trust is expected to be completely depleted a decade or two before we're even eligible to collect. Our politicians are spineless dumbasses that could honestly give a shit. They're in office to pander to their corporate masters, and don't have the brains or the will to do a damn thing about any of the very real systemic problems developing in our economy. Whatever though, break out the pom poms and cheer because we have a bunch of new minimum wage McJobs to replace the jobs lost during the recession. I've talked to more than one person my age that's honestly considered building a tiny house out in the middle of nowhere and basically dropping out of the economy all together. I'm glad upper class white business owners are doing pretty well. Seriously, I am. Make that money brother, and fuck anyone who has a problem with it. Talk to some 25-35 year olds though. The last decade hasn't been especially great for them. The two decades before that weren't especially great to their parents, who they got to see struggle for their entire childhood. ETA - Or, I'm just a wee bit pessimistic due to my own personal choices over the last couple years. Maybe a bit of both. Shaun, my age cohort is also getting hammered too. Really depends on one's location, preferred jobs, recent job experience, but it isn't just your group. A good portion of the end of the Boomers is taking it on the chin and up the ass, as it were.
If you haven't already seen it, I recommend watching the movie with Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson about becoming Googlers. The commentary implies an earlier age range than what I've experienced, but again local conditions always apply. Silicon Valley/Seattle area tech may hav
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Post by Opti on Sept 20, 2014 1:27:44 GMT -5
All I know is, if the Fed says the economy is struggling, people still unemployed, under employed. I think I will go with their description rather than DJ'S who is this DJ of whom you speak? can't be me, because i have said all of the things you just claimed i didn't say. but of course, even at "full employment" all of those things are possibly true, so it is really not saying much. but you go ahead, VB. you listen to someone telling you precisely the same stuff i would. I'd say for penance DJ, you should have to hire me or Shaun, but seriously sort of, I think Mercer aka Princeton is calling my name. (Princeton is a huge concentration of power, wealth, politics, good food, and artsy types. Mercer county probably wants me to expand my list to 6 counties I've lived in instead of the oft advertised 5.)
Shaun is probably just going to create new businesses until he gets out of the hole, FWIW. He's in the age range I call the earnest 30s.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 20, 2014 1:30:56 GMT -5
who is this DJ of whom you speak? can't be me, because i have said all of the things you just claimed i didn't say. but of course, even at "full employment" all of those things are possibly true, so it is really not saying much. but you go ahead, VB. you listen to someone telling you precisely the same stuff i would. I'd say for penance DJ, you should have to hire me or Shaun, but seriously sort of, I think Mercer aka Princeton is calling my name. (Princeton is a huge concentration of power, wealth, politics, good food, and artsy types. Mercer county probably wants me to expand my list to 6 counties I've lived in instead of the oft advertised 5.)
Shaun is probably just going to create new businesses until he gets out of the hole, FWIW. He's in the age range I call the earnest 30s.
i have an opening for a part time AA. starting pay will be in the $15/hr range. i will fill that position in the next 1-2 months.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 20, 2014 12:34:21 GMT -5
Indiana unemployment rate dropped to 5.8% in August. Rate has fallen 1.7% in a year, expanded by 51,000 workers. Indiana LOST private sector jobs, Gained public sector jobs in August. Indiana's manufacturing sector has added 20,000 jobs over the last year, and 84,000 since the depth of this recession. Indiana's over all private job sector lost 2,600 jobs in August, but non farm employment which includes public sector jobs gained 3,400 jobs.
It looks like I just lost my argument, BUT......Indiana's sales tax and state income tax collections are way behind the state's projections, so something is not quite correct.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 20, 2014 13:33:40 GMT -5
Indiana unemployment rate dropped to 5.8% in August. Rate has fallen 1.7% in a year, expanded by 51,000 workers. Indiana LOST private sector jobs, Gained public sector jobs in August. Indiana's manufacturing sector has added 20,000 jobs over the last year, and 84,000 since the depth of this recession. Indiana's over all private job sector lost 2,600 jobs in August, but non farm employment which includes public sector jobs gained 3,400 jobs.
It looks like I just lost my argument, BUT......Indiana's sales tax and state income tax collections are way behind the state's projections, so something is not quite correct. you haven't lost anything. however, i would be interested in how "low" Indiana UE got in the recession under Reagan. i bet it was not much lower than 5.8%
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Post by truthbound on Sept 28, 2014 5:05:19 GMT -5
Yes typical Leftyloon position. I am employed therefore everyone else is. Vs the other position. I am struggling & therefore everyone else is. Anyone that says otherwise is just lucky & not the norm. Unemployment is the lowest it has been since 2008. So we are far closer to everyone being employed than the opposite. Yeah not true. And...umm...it is impossible for everyone to be employed. You go on believing that though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 6:22:37 GMT -5
Vs the other position. I am struggling & therefore everyone else is. Anyone that says otherwise is just lucky & not the norm. Unemployment is the lowest it has been since 2008. So we are far closer to everyone being employed than the opposite. Yeah not true. And...umm...it is impossible for everyone to be employed. You go on believing that though. Well... technically she's right (no matter how anyone "cooks" the numbers). Until unemployment reaches 50.0001% we will ALWAYS be "closer to everyone being employed than the opposite". Even up to, probably, I'd say, 33.3333%, we'd still be " far closer" (because double is twice as close).
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Post by Angel! on Sept 28, 2014 10:16:49 GMT -5
Vs the other position. I am struggling & therefore everyone else is. Anyone that says otherwise is just lucky & not the norm. Unemployment is the lowest it has been since 2008. So we are far closer to everyone being employed than the opposite. Yeah not true. And...umm...it is impossible for everyone to be employed. You go on believing that though. Lol! Far closer equals everyone in your mind? Maybe read what I wrote and comment on that instead of arguing something ridiculous that I would never claim. Of course we will never have full employment, there will always be a portions n of the population in transistion. But that doesn't change the fact that we have the lowest unemployment in years, which is a good thing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2014 10:55:47 GMT -5
Vs the other position. I am struggling & therefore everyone else is. Anyone that says otherwise is just lucky & not the norm. Unemployment is the lowest it has been since 2008. So we are far closer to everyone being employed than the opposite. Yeah not true. how is that not true?
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Post by truthbound on Oct 5, 2014 5:09:24 GMT -5
Because it is not true.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 5, 2014 8:57:36 GMT -5
I don't see where anyone has mentioned that the FED has dumped $4,000,000,000 into the economy, this is all we have to show for it.
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Post by truthbound on Oct 8, 2014 4:23:04 GMT -5
No it's not. But if it makes you feel better go on believing it.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 8, 2014 8:22:46 GMT -5
No it's not. But if it makes you feel better go on believing it. Since we are just stating our opinions as facts and basing them in anecdotal evidence...there is 0 unemployment. I know of no one unemployed, therefore 0.
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Post by truthbound on Oct 8, 2014 14:03:37 GMT -5
Thank you lol so awesome! You just pointed out the way most Leftyloons approach things.
The economy is better!
How so?
Because I am doing alright. Since I am doing better that means everyone else must be!
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 8, 2014 14:49:04 GMT -5
I don't see where anyone has mentioned that the FED has dumped $4,000,000,000 into the economy, this is all we have to show for it. all that $4T did was to create a monetary system that is flush with cash. since it was NOT direct stimulus, i have profound doubt about how many jobs and how much growth it created. it did, however, allow the financial system to write off a lot of their derivative exposure. ok, not a lot...about 8% of it.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 8, 2014 14:49:07 GMT -5
Thank you lol so awesome! You just pointed out the way most Leftyloons approach things. The economy is better! How so? Because I am doing alright. Since I am doing better that means everyone else must be! You do realize my reply was sarcastic, right? I was actually mocking you stating that the UE numbers are wrong with no backup or additional information. They are wrong just because things are tough for you & you feel they must be wrong I assume. But, I am glad you see the idiocy of using anectdotal evidence to make claims about the US economy at large. Maybe you can stop doing so in the future. TYIA
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 8, 2014 14:53:28 GMT -5
actually, it is completely true. but thanks for your NON-answer.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 8, 2014 14:55:01 GMT -5
Thank you lol so awesome! You just pointed out the way most Leftyloons approach things. The economy is better! How so? Because I am doing alright. Since I am doing better that means everyone else must be! no, actually, the economy is objectively better. the fact that it might NOT be better for you doesn't change that.
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