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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 12:55:03 GMT -5
I got a suggestion where a purse compartment could be in the car! On the front of the lower part of the seat, right behind our legs. There could be an expandable net that fits across the width of the seat's leg area. Most purse's aren't as wide as the front side of car seats. I have always thought about this. I always place my purse right behind my legs whether I am driving or not. It seems to remain in place pretty good, but probably better if there was some type net I could sit it down in. Just my thoughts.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Sept 10, 2014 12:56:49 GMT -5
My cars have always said passenger airbag not on when my purse was in the passenger seat. My phone is in my purse sometimes and other times in a cupholder or other holder space in my console area.
I have seen some handicapped bathrooms that have a sink inside the stall area. Not all but I've seen it a few times. My purse rides in the back seat when I have a passenger.
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Post by cronewitch on Sept 10, 2014 13:17:37 GMT -5
Jeans- for men you can find just about any size 42x28 or something ridiculous. But if you're female, you need to be a certain waist/height ratio to find good fitting jeans. Why can't they make them with as many options as they do for men? God forbid you have long legs. Or short legs. I can buy petite sizes but then still need to cut of about 6 inches so any bottom trim on long pants or dresses is gone or cut in half. I wear capri's and they are like high water pants because I don't want to hem.
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Post by Abby Normal on Sept 10, 2014 13:53:02 GMT -5
Jeans- for men you can find just about any size 42x28 or something ridiculous. But if you're female, you need to be a certain waist/height ratio to find good fitting jeans. Why can't they make them with as many options as they do for men? God forbid you have long legs. Or short legs. I can buy petite sizes but then still need to cut of about 6 inches so any bottom trim on long pants or dresses is gone or cut in half. I wear capri's and they are like high water pants because I don't want to hem. I had a friend in college who was just the opposite. She had a rep for being "easy" because of the way she dressed. She was like 5' 11" and all leg. Long skirts looked stupid on her, jean looked like capri's and regular skirts were mini's. She spent most of the time in "mini" skirts and shorts. Of course she was athletic, blonde and really nice. I should have hated her.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 10, 2014 13:56:55 GMT -5
Or short legs. I can buy petite sizes but then still need to cut of about 6 inches so any bottom trim on long pants or dresses is gone or cut in half. I wear capri's and they are like high water pants because I don't want to hem. I had a friend in college who was just the opposite. She had a rep for being "easy" because of the way she dressed. She was like 5' 11" and all leg. Long skirts looked stupid on her, jean looked like capri's and regular skirts were mini's. She spent most of the time in "mini" skirts and shorts. Of course she was athletic, blonde and really nice. I should have hated her. But you loved her? Like a friend and more. Especially that night where there may have been a bottle of wine too many. Ok, now keep telling the story.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 10, 2014 14:18:36 GMT -5
underwear and jeans sizing not matching is another pet peeve of mine. Many jean companies have finally started using ACTUAL SIZES like 28" waist instead of a size 6 or something. But we need three measurements: a waist, a hip, and a length. Then you could actually buy something that fit like men do. I also want normal slacks to be coded this way. What the heck is a 6 or an 8 or a 00 anyways? I think DD owns a pair of shorts in one size and jeans in another from ONE manufacturer that we bought on the same day. WTE?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 14:20:32 GMT -5
I got a suggestion where a purse compartment could be in the car! On the front of the lower part of the seat, right behind our legs. There could be an expandable net that fits across the width of the seat's leg area. Most purse's aren't as wide as the front side of car seats. I have always thought about this. I always place my purse right behind my legs whether I am driving or not. It seems to remain in place pretty good, but probably better if there was some type net I could sit it down in. Just my thoughts. I like that! Even a drawer or open like a glove compartment. There should be lots of room under there and it should be far from the heat of the motor.
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Post by Abby Normal on Sept 10, 2014 14:34:11 GMT -5
I had a friend in college who was just the opposite. She had a rep for being "easy" because of the way she dressed. She was like 5' 11" and all leg. Long skirts looked stupid on her, jean looked like capri's and regular skirts were mini's. She spent most of the time in "mini" skirts and shorts. Of course she was athletic, blonde and really nice. I should have hated her. But you loved her? Like a friend and more. Especially that night where there may have been a bottle of wine too many. Ok, now keep telling the story. And then just as we started to get busy, this guy walks in and -note-Bow -chicka- wow- wow.
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Post by busymom on Sept 10, 2014 14:43:01 GMT -5
Bathroom stalls! All of the newest buildings around here have really narrow stalls. I'm an average-sized person, & I'm thinking, "do they expect us to back in, and THEN close the door?" I don't even know how a larger woman would use these restrooms...
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Post by qofcc on Sept 10, 2014 16:35:57 GMT -5
I would like a cell phone caddy/ purse holder between the driver & passenger seat with an armrest that flips out on top instead of the armrest with built-in storage that pops open & dumps your stuff into the back seat when it's raised.
Or a notched opening in the dashboard for a phone slot with a purse hook under that dangles the purse over the hump on the floor where I usually set it.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Sept 10, 2014 16:48:15 GMT -5
I just my purse in the area between the driver and passenger seats. I didn't realize I was supposed to overthink that! Lol
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 10, 2014 18:50:02 GMT -5
Why the hell do they put such shallow pockets in women's clothing (when they actually put pockets in them)? The pockets on my khakis are so shallow that I don't use them for anything because anything I put in there falls out. Exactly how hard would it be to put a pocket in a dress or skirt? They don't sell men's pants without pockets. I don't want pockets on my pants or dresses. I think they would lay funny with them. I can't think of any skirts that I own that have pockets. Some of my pants do (shallow ones) but the last thing I want it to shove stuff in my pocket and puff myself out!
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 10, 2014 19:10:49 GMT -5
Jeans- for men you can find just about any size 42x28 or something ridiculous. But if you're female, you need to be a certain waist/height ratio to find good fitting jeans. Why can't they make them with as many options as they do for men? God forbid you have long legs. And why can't they make women's jeans anymore that aren't hipsters (or lower) so they don't even come close to your waist and barely cover your a$$.
I tried on jeans the other day, and couldn't believe how short the distance was between the waistband and crotch.
And there's no way I'm ready to start wearing "mom" jeans.
We have a western outfitters shop here - and I usually have to spend more there to get proper fitting jeans.
As for the purse issue in cars, if your purse is the size of a small suitcase, you're not going to find much space to store it. If I'm just doing a short jaunt in the car, I only take my wallet with me.
If I'm going somewhere (like work or out to dinner, etc), and need a handbag, I usually use a med-sized one that has room enough for everything I need. I can usually lay it on the floor of the car, on the driver side behind my legs (since my legs are usually extended to the pedals), or on the floor or seat of the passenger side.
If it has a shoulder-strap, I can also hang it from the little hook behind the driver seat above the back window - where you can also hang garment bags, etc when traveling. My car's a sedan so the 2 front front seats also have large pouches on the back of them for holding things like purses, etc.
My glove box and console are too small for anything much more than a wallet - and both have other stuff in them - the glove box has the Owner's Manual, my registration and insurance, a hairbrush, some maps, a small mag-light flashlight, and misc other 'junk'. The console is holding CD cases, sunglasses, garage-door opener, etc.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 10, 2014 19:37:04 GMT -5
Companies that are dominated by one gender, race, background or other commonality can struggle to create products that appeal to people of other groups simply because they don't perceive the same issues or have similar priorities. Two industries that seem to really struggle with this in regards to not having large numbers of women involved in the design process are the automobile and the computing/electronics industry. Both industries are primarily staffed by men but are now aware enough of the gaps that they're not making the same dumb mistakes made in the past (such as when all women who went to buy a car were first shown the vanity mirror), but to me it's still obvious that the main designers are men and that their input from women comes from focus groups or other after-the-fact type reaction rather than having women integrally involved in designing things.
Examples:
New iPhone mobile wallet/pay feature - Yes, it sounds very interesting to wave the phone next to the register rather than swiping a card and the idea of making payment quick and easy is great. But McDonald's, Disney and Macy's are not the places where I really get crazy about standing in line and need that quick pay feature. If Apple had talked to any woman (or the men that actually shop for groceries, not their employees who eat thee meals a day at Apple HQ), they'd know that the place we most need this technology is the GROCERY STORE. If Apple could make grocery lines any less painful, get rid of the people laboriously writing out checks or fumbling with their PINs for their debit card, or helping me from having to have to dig out my wallet when I'm wrestling with a full cart of groceries and two kids, that would be compelling. Saving 10 seconds at a restaurant? Meh, interesting but not a must have feature yet.
There is no good place to put my purse in the car. Seriously, car manufacturers. I am not a girly girl and I usually carry a basic small bag from Target or the thrift store, so it's not like I have a $2000 bag that needs special treatment. But I hate putting it on the floor where there may be sand or it might get stepped on and if there are others in the car filling the seats, I can't put it on a seat. I drive a honking big car - ML350 - that's big enough to comfortable haul 5 adults plus their luggage on a road trip plus tow 5500 pounds, but there's no nice place to put my purse? Almost every woman carries one of these things - why hasn't a single manufacturer come up with a reasonable pocket in the door, shelf, or compartment that will hold a purse? It would be a fairly simple design change compared to the huge technological advances the car manufacturers seem so focused on, yet it would make 50% of the drivers really happy.
What other design or product offering changes can you think of that would be better if women were involved in the design process? With the size of some purses ladies carry now - think small as carry on suitcase - maybe a luggage rack would be appropriate
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Post by Opti on Sept 10, 2014 19:55:27 GMT -5
Companies that are dominated by one gender, race, background or other commonality can struggle to create products that appeal to people of other groups simply because they don't perceive the same issues or have similar priorities. Two industries that seem to really struggle with this in regards to not having large numbers of women involved in the design process are the automobile and the computing/electronics industry. Both industries are primarily staffed by men but are now aware enough of the gaps that they're not making the same dumb mistakes made in the past (such as when all women who went to buy a car were first shown the vanity mirror), but to me it's still obvious that the main designers are men and that their input from women comes from focus groups or other after-the-fact type reaction rather than having women integrally involved in designing things.
Examples:
New iPhone mobile wallet/pay feature - Yes, it sounds very interesting to wave the phone next to the register rather than swiping a card and the idea of making payment quick and easy is great. But McDonald's, Disney and Macy's are not the places where I really get crazy about standing in line and need that quick pay feature. If Apple had talked to any woman (or the men that actually shop for groceries, not their employees who eat thee meals a day at Apple HQ), they'd know that the place we most need this technology is the GROCERY STORE. If Apple could make grocery lines any less painful, get rid of the people laboriously writing out checks or fumbling with their PINs for their debit card, or helping me from having to have to dig out my wallet when I'm wrestling with a full cart of groceries and two kids, that would be compelling. Saving 10 seconds at a restaurant? Meh, interesting but not a must have feature yet.
There is no good place to put my purse in the car. Seriously, car manufacturers. I am not a girly girl and I usually carry a basic small bag from Target or the thrift store, so it's not like I have a $2000 bag that needs special treatment. But I hate putting it on the floor where there may be sand or it might get stepped on and if there are others in the car filling the seats, I can't put it on a seat. I drive a honking big car - ML350 - that's big enough to comfortable haul 5 adults plus their luggage on a road trip plus tow 5500 pounds, but there's no nice place to put my purse? Almost every woman carries one of these things - why hasn't a single manufacturer come up with a reasonable pocket in the door, shelf, or compartment that will hold a purse? It would be a fairly simple design change compared to the huge technological advances the car manufacturers seem so focused on, yet it would make 50% of the drivers really happy.
What other design or product offering changes can you think of that would be better if women were involved in the design process? Good thought about the purse.even though I am a woman, I wouldn't have thought about that except when one BMW dealer kept giving me one of their SUVs as a loaner. I hated having to buckle in my purse so it wouldn't beep assuming I forgot to secure my child.
Some of the women features are because of marketers and also because sometimes when they survey a group of women they stupid things like 'I only care if its reliable', 'I just want room for the kids'.
I would design car interiors differently because of simple things like black purses becoming invisible on black seats.
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Post by Opti on Sept 10, 2014 20:05:58 GMT -5
I use a small purse but do tend to bring other stuff in various totes or canvas bags.
Not sure if it is appropriate here, but I think very few people really understand how engineering anything and designing things like homes, cars, computers, etc. really works.
In picking book orders for students I've found some very interesting courses and books. Here's a link for one I wish I had been able to take as a freshman and I may buy one of the books with my temporary employee discount on Friday for me initially and for my Dad once I read it.
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Lectures and readings focus on bridges, railroads, power plants, steamboats, telegraph, highways, automobiles, aircraft, computers, and the microchip. Historical analysis provides a basis for studying societal impact by focusing on scientific, political, ethical, and aesthetic aspects in the evolution of engineering over the past two and a half centuries. The precepts and the papers will focus historically on engineering ideas including the social and political issues raised by these innovations and how they were shaped by society as well as how they helped shape culture.
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Post by milee on Sept 10, 2014 20:24:14 GMT -5
I own an electronics manufacturing company in which we design and manufacture our own product. I've also worked for other engineering companies and had clients that provided engineering as part of their company. So I'm pretty well aware of how engineering works.
And the fatal flaw at most of these companies is that they have few women in the design and engineering process and the few women they employ are a product of the existing culture so aren't adept at offering innovation or a fresh look. The best engineering is done by people who use the products and intimately understand what the product will be asked to do. You can refine an initial design by using focus groups for input either before or after design, but that's nowhere near as effective as having designers and engineers who know and use the product. The absolute best is when you have a team of designers and engineers with slightly different backgrounds who use the product slightly differently, so can add additional input based on their niche.
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Post by teen persuasion on Sept 10, 2014 21:21:32 GMT -5
I just my purse in the area between the driver and passenger seats. I didn't realize I was supposed to overthink that! Lol Wish I still had that option. My car has a floor shifter, and it's an automatic! What a gigantic waste of space. I used to put my bag in front of the console in my minivan, but that's not possible, so it is either in the backseat/behind the driver's seat (where I can't reach it if I want my sunglasses), or hoisting it over the shifter w/o bumping it and in the foot space of my passenger, usually DH. I'm always noticing stupid design flaws. DS5 won a prize, included was a water bottle. It is a straight cylinder with a slot for a handhold off to one side. Nice, no handle sticking out. Problem is, the straw always ends up oriented to the wrong side once you screw the lid on. We've tried adjusting, starting at a different point, etc., but it is just wrong. The door to the handicapped ramp at the library is also an emergency exit door, so it has a pushbar. Unfortunately, it does not have any inside handle, so it is difficult to pull shut when it only half closes behind someone. The only way to lock it at closing time is to open the door and use your key on the outside lock, then pull the door fully shut. Such an improvement over the previous door that didn't meet code.
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Post by teen persuasion on Sept 10, 2014 22:00:21 GMT -5
Ok, things I would design differently.
In bathroom stalls, multiple hooks for coat, bag, etc., on the wall, not the door. Less in the way, within reach, less easily grabbed from the outside.
Drinking glasses should be large enough to fit a hand in for cleaning, and not so tall and thin that they are prone to being tipped over easily. Short and wide is better.
Zippers on jacket pockets are great for keeping mittens from falling out, but they should zip up from the bottom, not down from the top. The should also be in the correct place for comfortably resting your hands , not too high or low or far back or front.
Drawers that require a pull to open should have one in the center, not two requiring two free hands to open.
Toothbrushes should have the head angled back, not forward. I can't get the backs of my front teeth at the gums very well since they added that "improvement". They also need a bump or something a bit down from the head for people who store them in the holes on a shelf. I don't like the head of my brush resting directly on the shelf.
Staplers should be just a bit longer, so that you can staple in the center of a half size pamphlet.
Small, medium and large should be abolished as sizes. Some standardized numerical sizes should be used, and there should be some reference for the number - inches, centimeters, something more useful than 6, 8, 10. Are those children's sizes, womens, what?
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Post by marvholly on Sept 11, 2014 5:12:13 GMT -5
I think just about ALL appliances (major & small) are designd by men who have never/will never use them. They all have shelves, cracks nd/or seams that are IMPOSSIBLE to clean spills or just plain dust out of.
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Post by achelois on Sept 11, 2014 7:19:11 GMT -5
Yeah, but if you had half usable pockets you wouldn't need to lug a purse around. Cell phone, car keys, debit card/ID. Done. Takes two pockets, and I don't need a half ton purse that slowly fills with god knows what that I have to carry around every day. No, just no. Women need purses because we carry all the stuff you guys don't want to. Need a tissue? In the purse. Aspirin? In the purse. Handwipes? In the purse. Flashlight? In the purse. Comb or brush? In the purse. Pen and paper? In the purse. Change for soda machines? In the purse. Saline for contacts? In the purse. Sunglasses? In the purse. Little sewing kit? In the purse. Small eyeglass repair kit? In the purse. I have a small flatand small Phillips screwdriver, two C batteries, four AA and four AAA batteries and two granola bars. I guess it comes from having needed things when my kids were little. I have a compartment in my purse with some misc travel items like toothbrush, toothpaste, razor, shampoo, small bar of soap, deodorant and clean underpants. Another compartment with passport, checkbook, credit cards, drivers license, registration and insurance card. And med bottles with a couple days doses of my BP meds. My newest pair of "old glasses". Contact lens case. I do keep my cellphone in the right front pocket of my jeans/pants, though. ( no room in the purse).
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 11, 2014 8:44:55 GMT -5
Yeah, but if you had half usable pockets you wouldn't need to lug a purse around. Cell phone, car keys, debit card/ID. Done. Takes two pockets, and I don't need a half ton purse that slowly fills with god knows what that I have to carry around every day. Clearly Dark hasn't seen my key chain...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 11, 2014 10:53:07 GMT -5
Female products that don't smell like freaking daisies or summer rain or whatever the hell. Unscented isn't even unscented. It's just gross. They'd also actually fit your underwear and have enough adhesive to stick to them rather than your skin.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 11, 2014 10:58:39 GMT -5
I just my purse in the area between the driver and passenger seats. I didn't realize I was supposed to overthink that! Lol DH's car doesn't have that option. The space has the gearshift, an indention roughly the size of a cell phone, 2 built in cup holders, and a big hole that the back seat passengers can stick a couple of drinks in as long as they're not too big. I'd also add those handy dandy bottle holders designed into the door to the rear doors as well as the front, there isn't much of a place to store drinks back there.
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Post by achelois on Sept 11, 2014 12:11:44 GMT -5
No, just no. Women need purses because we carry all the stuff you guys don't want to. Need a tissue? In the purse. Aspirin? In the purse. Handwipes? In the purse. Flashlight? In the purse. Comb or brush? In the purse. Pen and paper? In the purse. Change for soda machines? In the purse. Saline for contacts? In the purse. Sunglasses? In the purse. Little sewing kit? In the purse. Small eyeglass repair kit? In the purse. I have a small flatand small Phillips screwdriver, two C batteries, four AA and four AAA batteries and two granola bars. I guess it comes from having needed things when my kids were little. I have a compartment in my purse with some misc travel items like toothbrush, toothpaste, razor, shampoo, small bar of soap, deodorant and clean underpants. Another compartment with passport, checkbook, credit cards, drivers license, registration and insurance card. And med bottles with a couple days doses of my BP meds. My newest pair of "old glasses". Contact lens case. I do keep my cellphone in the right front pocket of my jeans/pants, though. ( no room in the purse). If I need an aspirin it's in the glove box in the car, along with a couple screwdrivers, tissue, and a lot of the other stuff you listed. I don't need any of that stuff on my person while I'm at a restaurant or whatever. The car is right outside, I can go grab something if I need it. Who actually needs a sewing kit on a regular enough basis that they carry one around everywhere with them? It's crazy. You're going out for dinner and a movie, grocery shopping, or taking the kids to practice, not packing for a weekend trip. You'll survive without spare toiletries, a roll of duct tape, and 3 sizes of batteries. When my kids were small, i needed some of that stuff and in an emergency I can go and not be without a few things I need for a couple days or longer. From experience. I have actually needed batteries for flashlights and pagers when I was on call. Same with shampoo, meds etc. i have$100 in small bills as emergency money tucked in there but dont carry cash for day to day spending. my car has a pillow and sleeping bag, gallon of water, some antifreeze and oil a cooler with canopener and cans of dogfood and foiled wrapped dry fruit and some nuts, cellphone charger, empty gas can. I always keep a full one in my garage but dont feel confortable keeping one in the car in the heat down here. I keep my car gas tank full. Probably will not need stuff so much down here but kept it when I was up north and be ause I was married.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 11, 2014 12:12:33 GMT -5
My purse contains my keys, my wallet, 2 checkbooks (because they get lost in the house otherwise), my keycard for work, a couple of pens, my inhaler, a couple of pads and the odds and ends of crap that my kids or DH hand/ask me to carry (water bottles and coupon books mainly) Today it also includes an apple for my snack and 2 fruit snacks for the kids when I pick them up from school. Oh and the "vacation keys" don't leave my purse because again, I'll never find them again if they do. I used to keep them in the car but then we went on vacation and took the other vehicle.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Sept 11, 2014 12:23:47 GMT -5
In my purse on one side I have pens, wallet, my 2 checkbooks, work credentials, work id badge, work token for VPN login and my work flash drive.
Then I have tissues, chapstick, lipstick, epi pen, inhaler, hair clip and elastics, cards for various stores, compact, advil, sudafed, the muscles meds and a couple sets of keys broken down my what they are for.
My brother tells me if I had a truck, I wouldn't need a purse haha.
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Post by cktc on Sept 11, 2014 14:03:55 GMT -5
Why the hell do they put such shallow pockets in women's clothing (when they actually put pockets in them)? The pockets on my khakis are so shallow that I don't use them for anything because anything I put in there falls out. Exactly how hard would it be to put a pocket in a dress or skirt? They don't sell men's pants without pockets. I don't want pockets on my pants or dresses. I think they would lay funny with them. I can't think of any skirts that I own that have pockets. Some of my pants do (shallow ones) but the last thing I want it to shove stuff in my pocket and puff myself out! Yep. I also like trading off carrying stuff with my SO. If we are going somewhere crowded and moving around a lot, I'd rather leave my purse and he can carry my ID, cc, and phone in his pockets. When I have my purse, he would rather not have his wallet, keys, phone, and e-cig digging into him. Coat pockets on the other hand are awesome and I don't mind those. I wouldn't say design flaws are a result of gender either. There are a lot of designs that are simply flawed.
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Cookies Galore
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Post by Cookies Galore on Sept 11, 2014 14:36:14 GMT -5
I just my purse in the area between the driver and passenger seats. I didn't realize I was supposed to overthink that! Lol DH's car doesn't have that option. The space has the gearshift, an indention roughly the size of a cell phone, 2 built in cup holders, and a big hole that the back seat passengers can stick a couple of drinks in as long as they're not too big. I'd also add those handy dandy bottle holders designed into the door to the rear doors as well as the front, there isn't much of a place to store drinks back there. That's pretty much what I put my purse on.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 11, 2014 15:44:45 GMT -5
DH's car doesn't have that option. The space has the gearshift, an indention roughly the size of a cell phone, 2 built in cup holders, and a big hole that the back seat passengers can stick a couple of drinks in as long as they're not too big. I'd also add those handy dandy bottle holders designed into the door to the rear doors as well as the front, there isn't much of a place to store drinks back there. That's pretty much what I put my purse on. I have stuff there. How tiny is your purse?
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