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Post by whoisjohngalt on Sept 10, 2014 7:52:57 GMT -5
I've come to realization that I really don't care what people buy with food stamps anymore.
The way I see it - you get $100. What do I care if you spend it on bread and milk or on hookers and blow? If you spend it on hookers and blow - well, I guess you just won't have any food. You are a big girl/boy. It's up to you.
I think any person with half a brain would want to maximize the money he gets. But since it is more and more evident that plenty of people don't even have half a brain - so be it.
I think the biggest problem we have in US is lack of education and an entitlement attitude of many. If we fix that - everything else will fall into place.
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 10, 2014 8:06:29 GMT -5
Maybe in MN. Not here.
ETA: I've actually seen it used in person BTW by a customer in line in front of me. I'm getting some bad YMer habits...
EITC is federal. It's the same in every state. I think you're confusing TAFDC for EITC. While there is a federal EITC, NJ also has it's own EITC simply called, NJEITC. Here is your link www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/eitcinfo.shtml I think the EBT Cash option is actually a combination of more than one program though. It is my limited understanding that any cash assistance given to a NJ resident anymore is put on an EBT cash debit card. And I have seen more than a few people use them. I almost never notice how someone is paying if it goes right through. But if a person uses EBT food and then there is a balance I notice and they have to come up with cash or a debit card to pay the balance. That is about the only time I actually stare at the screen to see what it says which includes what type of card it is like EBT Cash. And I am only looking then because I want to push the button that gets them out of my line. And for the record it is nothing personal about the EBT user. I want the regular debit payers who use five or six different cards plus $5 cash out of my line also.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 10, 2014 8:06:38 GMT -5
The issue is freedom of speech not what is allowed. Anyone can say what they want. and anyone else an tell them to go f*&k themselves, that it's none of their business. I really hope that your persona on here is not what it is in real life. You may want to hold a mirror up to that statement.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Sept 10, 2014 18:42:21 GMT -5
That's the popular myth. I think it's just that. We've spent decades brain draining into foreign countries and sending all of our manufacturing jobs over there. Our economy is now made up almost entirely of franchise retail operations trying desperately to sell stuff to ever poorer Americans. The segment of our society that would be living in third world style slum encampments is getting larger and larger. If it wasn't for our social safety net, which we can't really afford anymore, our economy would look a lot more like Mexico, India, Malaysia, etc. Attitude doesn't do jack shit for you if you can't find a job that pays enough to feed your family. Actually, it's exactly about the attitude. We've been having issues all over the country where McD workers think they deserve higher pay. Well....do they? Same with the manufacturing jobs. It's economics. It became too expensive to produce products here. Everyone thinks (attitude) they deserve everything. Everyone knows all their rights. Very few know their responsibilities. And it is about education. We don't measure up anymore. People have become dumber than dumb.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Sept 10, 2014 19:36:45 GMT -5
No it didn't. Companies went from producing products here, profitably, to producing products overseas more profitably. It was all about taking care of shareholders, and making sure the bigwigs got their bonuses. Now those same companies, in a lot of cases, are pissed off because it turns out that when you send Chinese factories all your product specs they start producing knockoffs like mad and undersell you. They rip off your patents, and there isn't shit you can do about it, because you can't sue Chinese companies in US court. If you're one of the lucky ones that doesn't get screwed over by your own supply chain, you finally import your products here and have fewer customers to sell too because, surprise surprise, when you send enough jobs overseas the US consumer doesn't have the money to spend that they used to have. It's not all the C level folk's fault of course. US consumers, even before the economy got bad, love their bargains. They'll buy made in China crap all day ever day. "10 cents cheaper... shit yeah! Baby go pull the truck around, I'm gonna load up! We won't need to buy underwear again until we're 150." Well, yes, it became MORE profitable to produce overseas. I watch Shark Tank and every.single.time when a person says that they make their product here, one of the "sharks" start telling them how much they can decrease their costs by moving it overseas. And a few people didn't get the deal bc they didn't want to move it. While I am not disputing what you are saying, but it's also about pay and how much workers were demanding. And it's not just manufacturing jobs. Back when I used to work, our auditors had a whole tax dept in India. People in India were doing taxes for US corporations. They were getting a LOT less money than the same employee would have been getting here.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Sept 10, 2014 20:04:06 GMT -5
There is no advance EITC anymore. They quit that several years ago. Maybe in MN. Not here.
ETA: I've actually seen it used in person BTW by a customer in line in front of me. I'm getting some bad YMer habits...
www.irs.gov/Individuals/EITC,-Earned-Income-Tax-Credit,-Questions-and-Answers If I get the Advance EITC or AEITC do I have to file a tax return? Yes. If you receive the Advance EITC or AEITC, you must file a tax return. The Form W-2 provided by your employer will show the amount of the AEITC you received in box 9. If you received Advance EITC in 2009 or 2010, you must file Form 1040 or Form 1040A to report the payments.You can also claim any additional credit you may be owed. Legislation signed into law August of 2010 repealed the Advance EITC and you could no longer receive it after December 31, 2010.
No federal advance EITC since 2010. Can you tell the last returns I prepared were for the year 2009? Many states of their own EITC. Perhaps NJ does. ETA: I see you linked to the New Jersey EITC site.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Sept 10, 2014 21:26:16 GMT -5
As some of the other posters indicated, EITC is NOT "welfare". What is thought of as welfare is what used to be AFDC, then TANF, now it can be called other names, depending on the state. EITC is the Earned Income Tax Credit, only available for people who work. This is done at the federal level (look at the "Tax refund" surge in February/March.).
AFDC/TANF is cash aid and is available for low income people, mostly those who DO NOT work. When Reagan villified the "welfare queen" in the 1980s, he was speaking about women who got AFDC cash aid for having kids. AFDC/TANF is used to pay bills that food stamps (SNAP) do not cover and sometimes rent (If the person isn't getting Section 8 or other housing support) AFDC/TANF is NOT SNAP. SNAP is food stamps. You can get SNAP if you are working or not, depending on the state and the requirements.
The confusion comes when people see "EBT". EBT does not equal SNAP. SNAP is distributed on an EBT card but so is AFDC/TANF. So the places that "accept EBT" probably aren't taking SNAP, they are processing AFDC/TANF (cash aid). Here in CA, I've seen lots of places that "accept EBT". he ones that accept SNAP usually say that specifically so the people know they can use their food stamps there.
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Post by truthbound on Sept 11, 2014 4:42:50 GMT -5
and anyone else an tell them to go f*&k themselves, that it's none of their business. I really hope that your persona on here is not what it is in real life. You may want to hold a mirror up to that statement. That. And I would suggest learning proper grammar and punctuation lol..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 5:25:56 GMT -5
You may want to hold a mirror up to that statement. That. And I would suggest learning proper grammar and punctuation lol.. please tell me what is grammatical wrong with what I wrote.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 5:27:46 GMT -5
and anyone else an tell them to go f*&k themselves, that it's none of their business. I really hope that your persona on here is not what it is in real life. You may want to hold a mirror up to that statement. maybe I am the same in real life. at least I'm not complaining that it's everyone else's fault that I can't take a vacation or afford this or that like truthbound.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 11, 2014 6:54:20 GMT -5
You may want to hold a mirror up to that statement. maybe I am the same in real life. at least I'm not complaining that it's everyone else's fault that I can't take a vacation or afford this or that like truthbound. I think I understand better where you were coming from when you replied to 'Truthbound. Props to you for owning it!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 15:11:59 GMT -5
"As some of the other posters indicated, EITC is NOT "welfare". What is thought of as welfare is what used to be AFDC, then TANF, now it can be called other names, depending on the state. EITC is the Earned Income Tax Credit, only available for people who work. This is done at the federal level (look at the "Tax refund" surge in February/March.)."
EITC allows people to get tax refunds greater than the amount of withholding taxes paid in. In my book, EITC = Welfare.
Where is that money coming from if it is more than the recipient paid in?
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Post by truthbound on Sept 13, 2014 5:21:22 GMT -5
That. And I would suggest learning proper grammar and punctuation lol.. please tell me what is grammatical wrong with what I wrote. and anyone else an tell them to go f*&k themselves
Really? I have to explain this to you? If you are going to anonymously attack me on the internets from your grandmas' basement at least use proper grammar
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Sept 13, 2014 9:32:51 GMT -5
"As some of the other posters indicated, EITC is NOT "welfare". What is thought of as welfare is what used to be AFDC, then TANF, now it can be called other names, depending on the state. EITC is the Earned Income Tax Credit, only available for people who work. This is done at the federal level (look at the "Tax refund" surge in February/March.)." EITC allows people to get tax refunds greater than the amount of withholding taxes paid in. In my book, EITC = Welfare. Where is that money coming from if it is more than the recipient paid in? I agree with you that getting more than you paid in could be considered a form of welfare but I was just noting that EITC is not what is commonly thought of as welfare. Welfare is the cash aid that one gets monthly to support themselves/their children. This is usually done through the dept of social services (vs through the IRS or state taxing authority) and you get to provide reams of paperwork to some social worker, who decides what you get. The feds don't do advanced EITC anymore so, with the exception of a few states (NJ), you would get EITC at tax return time, not monthly to spend. Although, I do know that a lot of people don't consider refundable tax credits (EITC, Savers, child tax?) to be welfare because they are tax credits. YMMV.
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Post by Opti on Sept 14, 2014 21:32:33 GMT -5
maybe I am the same in real life. at least I'm not complaining that it's everyone else's fault that I can't take a vacation or afford this or that like truthbound. I think I understand better where you were coming from when you replied to 'Truthbound. Props to you for owning it! FWIW, I haven't been able to afford a vacation since 2003/2004 myself. It can make me grouchy to have people ASS UME that the problem is totally on me on the income and thereby vacation front versus a global and US-wide shift on hiring, firing, out-sourcing, that has impacted some of us more than others. It could be simple ass luck you are not impacted, not skill, or greater "workerness". Most people also think they are better investors and drivers than reality bears out.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 15, 2014 1:55:42 GMT -5
For the record, the Saver's Credit is not refundable. There has been talk of making it so, but it has not been done yet.
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 15, 2014 7:08:28 GMT -5
I honestly think this topic is a good one, and one which people could honestly share their thoughts and maybe even learn something from each other like mutual respect and understanding for others lives and circumstances. So some of you need to knock it the hell off! If you don't like someone's comments, or them personally, put them on ignore if you can't respond to them in a calm and appropiate manner, or don't respond at all period. Signed, 973beachbum moderator.
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