movie industry needs help with NEW ideas

[ZaireinHD]

how many times can our movie industry make Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Blade, Captain America, Die Hard, Terminator, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, etc.

Another Mad Max in the works link

when I read another Mad Max in the making! got so frustrated! like WHY!! dude your glory days are over! those 70's and 80's days are over! it was different times back then! let it go! why bring back Mad Max with current actors, current movie high def technology? let it go!! Mad Max was a future movie, and the shit didn't happen! we have plenty of gas and it costs a lot more!
- ok- that was funny!

Wesley to do ANOTHER Blade link
then today I read this: Wesley Snipes agrees to do another Blade. Wesley I do like most of your movies! All the Blade movies were purchased on DVD. I even used Blade 1 as a surround sound tester when connecting my audio system! but LET IT GO! Dude your Blade 3 has an ENTIRE fight scene that is made from a computer! no actors and no stunt doubles! LET IT GO!! movie industry! I blame movie industry for this and NOT Wesley! of course Wesley is going to agree to make the move - he can use the money and pay his taxes this time!
-  ok - that was funny too - I just crack me up!

[Sum Dum Gai]

Everything is a remake or episode 27 of a franchise.  No originality anymore.  Drives me nuts.  At the very least they can go the easy route and turn books into movies.  There are still plenty of really good books out there they haven't done, while they keep churning out shit like Twilight.

The problem is people keep going to see horrible movies.  As long as you know you can make millions with Saw XIV why take the chance on making something else?  Doesn't make business sense.

[ZaireinHD]

OH right
that move with Nicholas Cage, stealing cars....had to do it in a certain time frame...
GONE IN SIXTY SECONDS!!

yea that movie I thought was brand new! gave it a 4 on Netflix. come to find out
NO it's not new and the movie industry is so fuck'n lazy they didn't even come up with another name for the movie. now I don't like the Nick Cage version so much and now it's ok and like the original, made in the 70's is better!


for movie industry to come up with a stealing car movie and keep it with current times it would probably be a Sci-Fi
with our current technology car theft is nothing as easy as it was back then.
with key chips and low jack.

[ZaireinHD]

there has to be kids in college studying movie making / script writing. there has to be people with actual new ideas and yea I agree, make a book into a movie.

maybe the additional problem is the new ideas have to get approved by the old, set in their ways, approvers thinking no kid that will never work!

70's and 80's and 90's future concepts didn't exactly work out like the movie, we're not flying around in cars, and buildings reaching to the sky and planet destruction.
oh that reminds me of the Tom Cruise Oblivion! future movie - new concept - ehh didn't like it
LOL

[Opti]

There are new ideas, maybe you just need to support the non-blockbuster

movie industry or more independent films.

I found a link that says it lists all movies shown in a given year.

Here's the link for 2013.

www.wildaboutmovies.com/2013_movies/Movies_In_Theaters_2013.html

So far I've watched about 25 movies on that list and while some were sequels,

many were not. Not all of them are Hollywood movies, but most are.

My current favorite is 'Girl Most Likely', but here are some of the rest-

Admission

Philomena

The English Teacher

Turbo

We're the Millers

Jobs

Adore

Thanks for Sharing

Rush

Dallas Buyer's Club

Saving Mr. Banks

The Wolf of Wallstreet

The reason Hollywood recycles movies and goes for sequels is blockbuster movies

usually have blockbuster budgets so they need a certain amount of movie-goers to

make a profit. Independent films have smaller budgets so can usually afford greater

risks creatively.

[Opti]

Some recommendations for those with Netflix or a library.

2014 - The Grand Budapest

2012 - Perks of Being a Wallflower

            Hysteria

            Robot and Frank

            Friends with Kids

            The Vow

            Ted

            Footnote - foreign, slow going, but definitely not derivative

[Shooby]

OMG! I rarely go to the movies anymore. Every damn movie is a remake! I am sooooo sick of remakes! Are there no original stories anymore? Gawd. Maleficient was a remake of sleeping beauty. NOOO! I don't want to see the umpteenth remake of Alice in Wonderland! I hated the first one! What is the point of a remake? If it was great the first time, then what does it serve to remake it? Oh yeah, we can "update" it with a few sex scenes and F bombs. And, if it wasn't great the first time, then obviously the story sucks and why re do it again! Wake up Hollywood! Honey Boo Boo is far more original and entertaining than the claptrap they are putting out.
However I did like Hunger Games and Harry Potter so they can do it if they really try.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

There are all kinds of films - if you only stick to one genre of movie, you're going to be very limited in selection.

If all you watch is comedy/college humor type movies, one is almost the same as the next.

Same for movies that are nothing but car chases and shoot-outs.

Sci-fi and fantasy? Meh - a few have been good, most not so much.

There are tons of high quality dramas with gritty story lines & plots- or good comedy-dramas --- you just have to not limit yourself to what type of movie you watch.

[Opti]

OMG! I rarely go to the movies anymore. Every damn movie is a remake!

I list a bunch of examples, and you post that?

I'd love to know what 'Nebraska' and 'The Book Thief' are remakes of?

Very few things are going to be wholly original because this is human

life that has been filmed since the late 1800s, but most good films

have a nice interesting twist or point of view.

12 Years a Slave was based on a book and one individual's life.

So was 'The Butler'. If all the movies you see or go to are remakes,

you aren't trying very hard to find the good stuff.

[Opti]

I love films, so one last example before I do stuff and get ready for work.

George Clooney and Steven Soderbergh are securely part of Hollywood.

Years ago they formed the now defunct Section Eight Productions.

Out of 18 films, three were remakes.

While it did pump out three Ocean's films it also created 'Confessions

of a Dangerous Mind', 'Good Night and Good Luck' and 'Syriana'.

I admire George Clooney's ability to balance commercial films so

he can produce the less commercial more interesting films. Many

actors and directors in Hollywood do the same. The good stuff is out there.

Its rarely though going to be one with lots of screens/viewings everywhere. The theatres

that play independent films and a wider array of films is where you are going

to find them - if you are willing to look.

Many non-remakes are flops at the box office. Witness Matt Damon's

'Promised Land' about fracking co-written with John Krasinki of 'The Office'

tv show.

[Opti]

Aug 31, 2014 11:43:35 GMT -5 @anne81 said:

12 Years a Slave was based on a book and one individual's life.

So was 'The Butler'. If all the movies you see or go to are remakes,

you aren't trying very hard to find the good stuff.

I can't watch depressing/sad movies and tv any more. It's really limiting my viewing.

I totally understand. I watch far more movies that are comedy than anything else.

Both of those had some very tough bits especially 12 years a Slave IMO. But I think

both ended on  a high note which makes a difference for me.

You can also expand into foreign comedies. I really like quite a few from Bollywood.

The nice thing about watching tough movies at home is you can use the fast forward

button to speed through the unpleasant stuff.

[Shooby]

I personally find much more quality in television than I do in movies. Movies are full of idiotic clichés and so often they don't even have the sense to pull the movie together at the end. It is more an exercise in frustration. I will take a good TV series any day over the explosions on screen.

[ZaireinHD]

Admission - never heard of
Philomena - never heard of
The English Teacher - I'll pass
Turbo - I think this is a children's movie - pass
We're the Millers - hilarious - loved every minute
Jobs - never heard of
Adore - never heard of
Thanks for Sharing - think this is a documentary - pass
Rush - not sure what this is about
Dallas Buyer's Club - I'll pass
Saving Mr. Banks - no FN way - LOL
The Wolf of Wallstreet - Great movie
The Grand Budapest - I'lll pass
Perks of Being a Wallflower - never heard of
Hysteria - never heard of
Robot and Frank - sounds like a children movie
Friends with Kids - I'll pass
The Vow - I'll pass
Ted - funny movie

only foreign movies I'm interested in would be Jackie Chan and Jet Li
but if I have to read at bottom of movie - pass


I see your point Opti regarding to sticking to main steam movies
without the girlfriend - it's pretty doubtful I'll watch chick movies on my own
well then again can't really say that because I was interested to see
Enough Said - Great Movie
then I thought no children movies and forget about independent films

[Deleted]

I want to cancel our movie channels. IMHO the movies they are showing are terrible. 
Maybe people aren't going to the theaters as much anymore and the movie producers can't come up with the money to make the blockbusters? 

[Opti]

Rush - a movie about two race car drivers done by Ron Howard

Robot and Frank - story of an aging father who is given a robot by

                         his son so he doesn't need to be put in a home.

                         (The guy is a former thief so you might want to check it out)

Thanks for Sharing - I believe this is the one about sex addiction and Gyneth Paltrow

                         is one of the stars.

Turbo - is a kids movie, but about a snail who wants to race in the Indy 500

Philomena - Story about finding a son taken away via adoption back when

             Catholic girls were given to the Catholic church to give birth & work

             because they had sinned. Very good.

Jobs - About Steve Jobs founder of Apple starring Ashton Kutcher

Hysteria - fictional look at treating the mental illness Hysteria that most

                women at that time were assumed to have. While the movie is

                good, I think the bonus features that give background on Hysteria,

                its eventual treatment, and why it disappeared from the mental illness

                 pantheon is a great reason to rent and view this movie and bonus features.

[Opti]

Sept 1, 2014 9:19:23 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

I want to cancel our movie channels. IMHO the movies they are showing are terrible. 
Maybe people aren't going to the theaters as much anymore and the movie producers can't come up with the money to make the blockbusters? 

The movie channels are only going to be the most popular movies because most of

them are pricey. Yes, I think overall attendance in theatres has been trending down.

Some popular films I just won't see like the Twilight Series and some like Hunger Games

I'm not in a hurry to see since apocalyptic movies are not one of my preferred genres.

[thyme4change]

Aug 31, 2014 11:50:40 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I personally find much more quality in television than I do in movies. Movies are full of idiotic clichés and so often they don't even have the sense to pull the movie together at the end. It is more an exercise in frustration. I will take a good TV series any day over the explosions on screen.

The problem with movies is that you have to introduce a whole bunch of brand new characters, make you care about them and tell a story in a super short period of time.  In TV, you have months and years of character development, so they are more like real people.  Because it is so hard to create a believable character and tell a good story in less than 2 hours, the only movies that seem good are ones where they get your emotions going through blowing shit up.  Totally disappointing.

THe funniest part of this thread is that yesterday I was doing some research and found (catch how nerdy this is) the appellate court decision on a case that happened in the 20's and 30's.  I am fascinated with the cast of characters, and I am trying to find out who these people were, and what they were like.  It was a business transaction and I can't tell who (if anyone) was trying to pull something, or if it was just a series of oversights and mistakes.  I told my husband that if I could write, I would write a fictionalized version of this, and it would be an awesome period piece.  

[busymom]

I agree that there are wayyyy too many remakes out there. If I see one more Superman remake, I'll scream!

I don't know if bad writing is the problem, or those who finance the making of the movies.  All I know is, I've seen more "kid" movies in the theater in the last 10 years, than real movies.  Not much appeals to me enough to get me into the theaters.  (One bonus is, some of the kid movies were actually pretty good.  Example:  go see the original Cars!) 

[Opti]

Interesting take Thyme. I was thinking about this and was wondering if

part of it was how most people watch TV and movies. If you have a nice

big cable package you've paid for all this TV that you can sample at will.

No reviews or research needed.

However, if you go to movies or even check them out of the library like

I do, you usually read reviews to decide if you'd like to see them. Sometimes

trailers will do that as well, but unless you go see smaller or independent films

you probably aren't going to see trailers for them because their advertising

budget is much smaller.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Aug 31, 2014 11:50:40 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I personally find much more quality in television than I do in movies. Movies are full of idiotic clichés and so often they don't even have the sense to pull the movie together at the end. It is more an exercise in frustration. I will take a good TV series any day over the explosions on screen.

Any "quality" television programming is pretty limited. There's some good drama series, and a very small smattering of good sit-com programs. Most sit-coms aren't even that funny anymore - and seem to all be the same - like "Last Man Standing", "The Goldbergs", "The Middle", etc. .

And how many more versions of "CSI" before they run out of cities? "CSI Los Angeles", CSI Miami", CSI New York", CSI New Orleans" ....

Talk about remakes.


There are tons of excellent movies out there - you just have to broaden your viewing choices - you might be pleasantly surprised if you step out of the box from the type of movie you usually stick to.

[ZaireinHD]

Update on those movies

Jobs - not interested
Rush - not interested
Turbo - not interested
Thanks For Sharing - good movie - surprised what it is about
Don Jon - good movie - surprised what it is about

[ZaireinHD]

I just got frustrated when I saw another Mad Max! don't do it - let it go!
another Blade - don't do it - let it go!
(yea I'll probably see Blade 4 - Sorry - but it's true! - LOL)

12 years a Slave and The Butler - why? Let it go!
I have no interest!
let the slavery shit go - there are plenty of current racial events going on now - make movies bout that currently
laughing now cause of the Mexican boarder patrol issues
because I've seen mostly comedies or comedians talk about that


I do realize there are new ideas especially clicking the link you provided Opti
which I have seen a lot of them listed and yea I agree there are new movies that come out
I just watched Divergent - horrible! but it's a new idea and it's future
Oblivion - Tom Cruise - Horrible! but it's a new idea and it's future 

then sometimes I find out that what I thought was a new movie idea turns out it's NOT - it's a remake!

[ZaireinHD]

Sept 1, 2014 9:29:21 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

The funniest part of this thread is that yesterday I was doing some research and found (catch how nerdy this is) the appellate court decision on a case that happened in the 20's and 30's.  I am fascinated with the cast of characters, and I am trying to find out who these people were, and what they were like.  It was a business transaction and I can't tell who (if anyone) was trying to pull something, or if it was just a series of oversights and mistakes.  I told my husband that if I could write, I would write a fictionalized version of this, and it would be an awesome period piece.  

yea thyme movies based off true events - I'm good
if you / or a script writer can pull off a movie with current times but based off 1920's or 1930's events, mixed up into a current time frame - I'm good with that. but here is the catch. an entire movie spent showing court? nah pass!
movies is not current times and shows what happened back then 20's / 30's? nah pass!
LOL

[thyme4change]

Sept 1, 2014 21:04:13 GMT -5 ZaireinHD said:

Sept 1, 2014 9:29:21 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

The funniest part of this thread is that yesterday I was doing some research and found (catch how nerdy this is) the appellate court decision on a case that happened in the 20's and 30's.  I am fascinated with the cast of characters, and I am trying to find out who these people were, and what they were like.  It was a business transaction and I can't tell who (if anyone) was trying to pull something, or if it was just a series of oversights and mistakes.  I told my husband that if I could write, I would write a fictionalized version of this, and it would be an awesome period piece.  

yea thyme movies based off true events - I'm good
if you / or a script writer can pull off a movie with current times but based off 1920's or 1930's events, mixed up into a current time frame - I'm good with that. but here is the catch. an entire movie spent showing court? nah pass!
movies is not current times and shows what happened back then 20's / 30's? nah pass!
LOL

It wouldn't be a whole movie in court.  I'm not sure you would have to show any court - or maybe just a scene or two.  If you ever read a court decision, you will see there is quite a bit of history and timeline at the beginning of the case - otherwise the decision doesn't make any sense.  The decision is as much about a ruling between those two parties as it is about creating a record of how the law was applied and the circumstances around why for future reference.  So the appellate decision is basically pages and pages about who was involved and a timeline of how they interacted on a business level.  Throw in some personalities and a bunch of fake dialog - bam you have a story that unfolds over the course of a few years.  

[ZaireinHD]

there is quite a bit of history and timeline at the beginning of the case - otherwise the decision doesn't make any sense. Throw in some personalities and a bunch of fake dialog - bam you have a story that unfolds over the course of a few years.

oh now I'm interested!
thyme make a movie!!

[ZaireinHD]

Brooklyn Decker - Just Go With it

Kate Upton - The Other Woman


Though Kate is not really an actress to say

but but these two in a movie together and I'll watch!