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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 5, 2014 22:41:03 GMT -5
If you stop replying it will all end. Real easy. Snark was not required. My reply was warranted... as was this one. If comments have nothing to do with the subject of the thread or the natural drift (not a hijack), keep them elsewhere. In case you are interested, that was a Mod request this time. Richard, Current Events Moderator. Okay, Richard.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 22:45:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it has something to do with fears of Muslim reprisal as he said. Where , don't know for sure. When, don't know for sure. Veil bans maybe? Maybe something else.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 6, 2014 3:15:48 GMT -5
It seems no-one wanted to upset community cohesion....So the criminals who were doing this thought they could act with impunity.... and it escalated.
There have been quite a few high profile cases where people involved in grooming gangs have gone to prison for a long time. They are getting the message that this will not be tolerated.
but it should have been clear from the outset.
There has been a cultural clash where young white girls have been deemed worthless. It has landed back on the doorstep of those who espouse this notion.
Rape is the scourge of South Asia in a society which doesn't prize equality....and if they think they can bring that here......Think again.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 6, 2014 9:58:10 GMT -5
Spellbound454 I appreciate you jumping into this topic as, IMHO, you are far more qualified to offer an opinion as to the local mindset then some of us across the pond. I realize I'm treading on a sensitive topic here so please bear with me. How can a society who produced the likes of Margaret Thatcher and Harriet Harman simply stand by and allow their youngest females to be treated this way? Is male sexism still rampart among the law enforcement group?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2014 10:23:13 GMT -5
The Captain-I think we must look beyond this as just a British issue. For example, how could the Catholic Church have closed their eyes for so long as to the problem of a minority of priests sexually abusing children too. Regional church leaders knew there were problems for years but ìnstead of eliminating the problem, they just moved the problem elsewhere to continue damaging more children.. And the sexual abuse of children is not solely limited to the Catholic Church as it pertains to Christians. Many independent Protestant churches have a problem of sexual abuse of children too. The problem in some of those independent churches is their ìs no higher authority to hold their church leaders responsible for their actions once it ìs known. The congregation members aware of the abuse remain silent out of shame and being shamed by their church leaders. The same issues apply in Muslim communities and other religious sects: shaming the abused and often using their religion's scripture to control their congregants into silence.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 6, 2014 11:39:24 GMT -5
Sexism isn't rife in the general population....Its a free and progressive society. This is why it is so shocking.
All but one of the perpetrators of these current grooming gangs was of Pakistani heritage......and the problem, I'm afraid... lies with them.
It seems the local government of Rotherham.... and other Northern towns... were so keen not to upset anyone and cause community problems that the complaints of these young girls were swept under the carpet.
They have sent young men in to attract the vulnerable girls, buying them gifts and making the girls think they were their boyfriends. They have plied them with drugs and alcohol and lined them up for sex with older relatives and friends. They have kept the girls prisoner and bullied and frightened them in to silence. Its pretty nasty stuff. The men are criminals...they will be brought to trial and go to prison.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2014 12:40:17 GMT -5
Sexism isn't rife in the general population....Its a free and progressive society. This is why it is so shocking. All but one of the perpetrators of these current grooming gangs was of Pakistani heritage......and the problem, I'm afraid... lies with them. It seems the local government of Rotherham.... and other Northern towns... were so keen not to upset anyone and cause community problems that the complaints of these young girls were swept under the carpet. They have sent young men in to attract the vulnerable girls, buying them gifts and making the girls think they were their boyfriends. They have plied them with drugs and alcohol and lined them up for sex with older relatives and friends. They have kept the girls prisoner and bullied and frightened them in to silence.Its pretty nasty stuff. The men are criminals...they will be brought to trial and go to prison. Sounds just like the sex trafficking of young girls and boys here in the United States. In fact, it could be anywhere in the world for that matter.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 6, 2014 14:40:32 GMT -5
The Captain-I think we must look beyond this as just a British issue. For example, how could the Catholic Church have closed their eyes for so long as to the problem of a minority of priests sexually abusing children too. Regional church leaders knew there were problems for years but ìnstead of eliminating the problem, they just moved the problem elsewhere to continue damaging more children.. And the sexual abuse of children is not solely limited to the Catholic Church as it pertains to Christians. Many independent Protestant churches have a problem of sexual abuse of children too. The problem in some of those independent churches is their ìs no higher authority to hold their church leaders responsible for their actions once it ìs known. The congregation members aware of the abuse remain silent out of shame and being shamed by their church leaders. The same issues apply in Muslim communities and other religious sects: shaming the abused and often using their religion's scripture to control their congregants into silence. Tenn - I wasn't attempting to claim it was just a British issue, but was shocked that is/was an issue in Britain based on what I knew of their culture. Spellbound454 post confirmed my understanding of how progressive they are, especially in the treatment of women. It is why I am surprised this could happen in what I consider one of the most gender progressive nations in the West. As far as using your analogy - even to this day I will say nothing the Catholic Church does with respect to the treatment of women and minors surprises me. They are still marginalized and considered as lesser then grown men. So, in my opinion, that is a poor analogy to draw in comparison to how the British treat all their citizens. Remember I am a practicing Catholic, active in my church, and still see evidence of it rampart in daily operations. Problems were, and are still, known of from the highest levels and not acted upon.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2014 16:03:30 GMT -5
The Captain-I think we must look beyond this as just a British issue. For example, how could the Catholic Church have closed their eyes for so long as to the problem of a minority of priests sexually abusing children too. Regional church leaders knew there were problems for years but ìnstead of eliminating the problem, they just moved the problem elsewhere to continue damaging more children.. And the sexual abuse of children is not solely limited to the Catholic Church as it pertains to Christians. Many independent Protestant churches have a problem of sexual abuse of children too. The problem in some of those independent churches is their ìs no higher authority to hold their church leaders responsible for their actions once it ìs known. The congregation members aware of the abuse remain silent out of shame and being shamed by their church leaders. The same issues apply in Muslim communities and other religious sects: shaming the abused and often using their religion's scripture to control their congregants into silence. Tenn - I wasn't attempting to claim it was just a British issue, but was shocked that is/was an issue in Britain based on what I knew of their culture. Spellbound454 post confirmed my understanding of how progressive they are, especially in the treatment of women. It is why I am surprised this could happen in what I consider one of the most gender progressive nations in the West. As far as using your analogy - even to this day I will say nothing the Catholic Church does with respect to the treatment of women and minors surprises me. They are still marginalized and considered as lesser then grown men. So, in my opinion, that is a poor analogy to draw in comparison to how the British treat all their citizens. Remember I am a practicing Catholic, active in my church, and still see evidence of it rampart in daily operations. Problems were, and are still, known of from the highest levels and not acted upon. The Captain-I did not take it you thought it was just a British issue. What I was pointing out by bringing up the abuse of minors and (even women) in the Catholic and Protestant churches and with Muslims (for this thread subject in Great Britain), is that the sexual abuse of minors and women can happen in all cultures and countries, regardless of whether or not the country is considered progressive or conservative. Perversion is not limited to only backward and primitive countries and cultures. Perversion walks among the populace even in the best of them.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 7, 2014 14:29:49 GMT -5
It depends how much corruption you have got....... and how likely people are to get away with this type of thing. At least we have got a handle on it.........though far too late....and we can begin to deal with the issues.
If no-one flags it up (and some places don't) it will just go on and on.
Catholic church hid their abuse cases...then years later it came back to haunt them.
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