Any thoughts on Venezuela?

[Value Buy]

When we had Chavez constantly sticking a thorn into America, the country, and our President, their President was considered a danger by the White House and our national media.

After he dies, the new President did the dog and pony show for about two weeks.

We have not heard a word about Venezuela since then?

There is never a mention of the national oil company Citgo anymore

Are we no longer considered a danger to their country, or, we no longer consider them a danger to us?

What has changed?

Is America staying out of their politics?

I do not read anything in the press that suggests they now welcome American industry into the country, but they seem to be amazingly quiet now.

It just seems so strange how American politics changes world perception of other countries, without a shot ever fired sometimes, let alone a diplomatic solution to problems involving countries.

As I get older, it makes me think our government manipulates the citizens in the media about what is going on between sovereign nations and the perception they shape of foreign countries.

[Tennesseer]

From today.

Venezuela poised to sell U.S.-based oil refinery

In an attempt to increase cash flow for the country's impoverished economy, Venezuelan Economy Vice President Rafael Ramirez confirmed this past week that the government is interested in selling one of its main assets on the international market, Citgo Petroleum Corp., one of the largest oil refinery and distribution networks in the United States.

"We will get rid of Citgo when we receive a lucrative offer," said Ramirez, who also serves as president of PDVSA, the state-run oil company, and as President Nicolás Maduro's energy and oil minister.

Reports claim that Venezuela has three offers on the table from Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank.

Venezuela poised to sell U.S.-based oil refinery

The rest?  

[Value Buy]

Aug 11, 2014 22:26:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

From today.

Venezuela poised to sell U.S.-based oil refinery

In an attempt to increase cash flow for the country's impoverished economy, Venezuelan Economy Vice President Rafael Ramirez confirmed this past week that the government is interested in selling one of its main assets on the international market, Citgo Petroleum Corp., one of the largest oil refinery and distribution networks in the United States.

"We will get rid of Citgo when we receive a lucrative offer," said Ramirez, who also serves as president of PDVSA, the state-run oil company, and as President Nicolás Maduro's energy and oil minister.

Reports claim that Venezuela has three offers on the table from Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank.

Venezuela poised to sell U.S.-based oil refinery

The rest?  

So they can nationalize it in another ten years again?

[Value Buy]

I really would like to see Venezuela open up to American industry again. It would definitely help both countries, especially in the oil production industry.

Exxon could rebuild the industry for them and we would have a source for more foreign oil, lessoning our need on Saudi Arabia.

Let Europe carry the water bucket in the Middle East for a few decades.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 11, 2014 22:34:36 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 11, 2014 22:26:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

From today.

Venezuela poised to sell U.S.-based oil refinery

In an attempt to increase cash flow for the country's impoverished economy, Venezuelan Economy Vice President Rafael Ramirez confirmed this past week that the government is interested in selling one of its main assets on the international market, Citgo Petroleum Corp., one of the largest oil refinery and distribution networks in the United States.

"We will get rid of Citgo when we receive a lucrative offer," said Ramirez, who also serves as president of PDVSA, the state-run oil company, and as President Nicolás Maduro's energy and oil minister.

Reports claim that Venezuela has three offers on the table from Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank.

Venezuela poised to sell U.S.-based oil refinery

The rest?  

So they can nationalize it in another ten years again?

I hope that is a rhetorical question because I don't read tea leaves.

[djAdvocate]

Venezuela was never a threat to the US.  it still isn't.

[Value Buy]

Another fine example of American media and the White House would be the 200 school girls in Africa who were kidknapped a few months ago. We sent a team over there to help. Did our team get lost? Are they still there?

Not a word in the press lately. If there is, it is buried somewhere on page 88 after the obituaries......

The national media was in a tizzy on this, and they are still missing.

[Value Buy]

Aug 12, 2014 9:50:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Venezuela was never a threat to the US.  it still isn't.

Agreed, but the national press made it look like they (Venezuela) were a threat while Chavez was alive.

He was almost up there with Che Guavarre from the sixties.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 12, 2014 9:52:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Another fine example of American media and the White House would be the 200 school girls in Africa who were kidknapped a few months ago. We sent a team over there to help. Did our team get lost? Are they still there?

Not a word in the press lately. If there is, it is buried somewhere on page 88 after the obituaries......

The national media was in a tizzy on this, and they are still missing.

Are we so arrogant to believe U.S. advisors can operate and roam within Nigeria and ignore Nigerian direction and their laws?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 12, 2014 9:53:52 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 12, 2014 9:50:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Venezuela was never a threat to the US.  it still isn't.

Agreed, but the national press made it look like they were while Chavez was alive.

He was almost up there with Che Guavarre from the sixties.

agreed.  so much for "liberal media bias", i guess?

[Tennesseer]

A USA Today article from five days ago.

The response of the Nigerian government, which has often seemed overmatched in its five-year struggle with Boko Haram, doesn't inspire much confidence. President Goodluck Jonathan at first largely ignored the incident, then claimed activists invented it, and finally yielded to pressure to accept international assistance.

Jonathan, in Washington this week for a U.S.-Africa summit, says his government is making every effort to find the girls. But he offers no evidence, is dismissive of the foreign help and argues that divulging any details could compromise the mission.

Jonathan has said repeatedly that a military operation to free the girls would probably result in the deaths of many, all but ruling it out. In the place of military action is bargaining, and Nigerian leaders have sent ambiguous signals about who is negotiating and what's on the table.

Nigerian School Girls

[Value Buy]

Aug 12, 2014 9:57:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 12, 2014 9:52:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Another fine example of American media and the White House would be the 200 school girls in Africa who were kidknapped a few months ago. We sent a team over there to help. Did our team get lost? Are they still there?

Not a word in the press lately. If there is, it is buried somewhere on page 88 after the obituaries......

The national media was in a tizzy on this, and they are still missing.

Are we so arrogant to believe U.S. advisors can operate and roam within Nigeria and ignore Nigerian direction and their laws?

Your kidding, right?

Maybe we are following Nigerian direction and that is why we are hearing nothing, but it would be nice to get an update on what we are doing. Just a general statement would be ok.Remember, the Nigerian Government is not paying the bill for our "advisors", so it would not hurt to have some kind of update.

I imagine if we are following Nigerian direction, we might as well pull our advisors out, as we are just wasting money there.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 12, 2014 10:07:40 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 12, 2014 9:57:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Are we so arrogant to believe U.S. advisors can operate and roam within Nigeria and ignore Nigerian direction and their laws?

Your kidding, right?

Maybe we are following Nigerian direction and that is why we are hearing nothing, but it would be nice to get an update on what we are doing. Just a general statement would be ok.Remember, the Nigerian Government is not paying the bill for our "advisors", so it would not hurt to have some kind of update.

I imagine if we are following Nigerian direction, we might as well pull our advisors out, as we are just wasting money there.

Here is a job for you:  find out how many U.S. advisors (and troops?), if any, are still specifically assigned in find the Nigerian girls.  You are the one interested in the U.S. involvement there.

[dondub]

about an hour agodjpolldancer said:
Venezuela was never a threat to the US. it still isn't.


Agreed, but the national press made it look like they were while Chavez was alive.

He was almost up there with Che Guavarre from the sixties.

 

The national press?!?! Were they the ones responsible for all the attempted coups, with probable CIA involvement, because Chavez was (shudder) a Socialist?

www.google.com/#q=Attempted+coup+on+Chavez

[Value Buy]

Aug 12, 2014 11:05:23 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 12, 2014 10:07:40 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Your kidding, right?

Maybe we are following Nigerian direction and that is why we are hearing nothing, but it would be nice to get an update on what we are doing. Just a general statement would be ok.Remember, the Nigerian Government is not paying the bill for our "advisors", so it would not hurt to have some kind of update.

I imagine if we are following Nigerian direction, we might as well pull our advisors out, as we are just wasting money there.

Here is a job for you:  find out how many U.S. advisors (and troops?), if any, are still specifically assigned in find the Nigerian girls.  You are the one interested in the U.S. involvement there.

Why send American troops.

Just send the CIA and some of the paramilitary private businesses we used in Iraq.

Get the freaking job done. 

[Value Buy]

Again, I started this thread just thinking about how Venezuela was considered an outlaw nation by America and the national press.

It just amazes me how PERCEPTION CAN change without a shot fired, or a diplomatic agreement reached.