Obama mulls large-scale move on immigration

[b2r]

[djAdvocate]

if Sessions is serious about his stance, he should double the personnel of INS, thus enabling them to investigate BUSINESSES that hire "illegals". 

he is not serious.  he is grandstanding.

[chiver78]

Jul 29, 2014 14:20:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 29, 2014 14:06:03 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Yes, you can be rid of them. No school, no medical care except to stabilize, no social services of any kind. Drop an anchor baby here? It can stay and be adopted or it can return along with its mom back to own country. At 18, if no criminal record and self supporting, it can return. ALONE. 

it?  seriously?

and another thing - I hate that term, anchor baby. almost as much as the C word.

[chiver78]

Jul 29, 2014 14:50:12 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Jul 29, 2014 14:20:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it?  seriously?

At this point, the baby could be unborn...so, according the the pro-abortionists, yes, an it.

Plus, it is easier to type than he/she

this thread will NOT be hijacked into an abortion thread. I will remove posts on that topic as it does not apply here.

-chiver mod

[djAdvocate]

boom!  out go the lights!!!! 

[jkapp]

Jul 29, 2014 15:46:29 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 29, 2014 14:50:12 GMT -5 jkapp said:

At this point, the baby could be unborn...so, according the the pro-abortionists, yes, an it.

Plus, it is easier to type than he/she

this thread will NOT be hijacked into an abortion thread. I will remove posts on that topic as it does not apply here.

-chiver mod

Take a pill, Robocop!

[Deleted]

Jul 29, 2014 14:37:06 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

It- you know- less than human.  AKA 'the enemy'.

No. "It" as in "I am not gong to confine the infant or child to either boy or girl status because I am referring the the infants or children singly AND collectively, but don't see the need to type an essay on the description of the persons that I am referring to"

[Sum Dum Gai]

Time for the Arizona solution.  You want to enroll a kid in school, "show us your papers".  You want a job, "show us your papers".  You walk into any city or state building for any reason, "show us your papers".  You interact with law enforcement in any way, even just reporting a crime, "show us your papers".  You walk into a clinic, hospital, or dentist, "show us your papers".

In the mean time we increase the manpower of the federal agency that investigates businesses that hire illegals, and we make the minimum fine if a business is caught hiring an illegal $10k for the first offense.  A second offense will result in a $100k fine and loss of business license for a month.  Third offense is a $1M fine, and you lose your business license in that state permanently.  If you run a meat packing plant and can't find Americans who will do the job, you can raise your wages until you can, go out of business, or let the state put you out of business.

Enough with the bullshit.  Time to get serious about this and put an end to it.

[chiver78]

I'm with you 100% until you say "even just reporting a crime".....undocumented illegal women would then become very vulnerable to being exploited for sex, victimized for rapes. I'm absolutely of the opinion that if you didn't come here legally, then GTFO and get in line. but I'm not okay with that piece of your proposal. yes, they may have come here illegally, but that doesn't mean it's okay to leave them afraid to report a rape for fear of deportation.

still haven't read the original article, btw. will get to it eventually.

[Deleted]

Jul 29, 2014 20:10:13 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Time for the Arizona solution.  You want to enroll a kid in school, "show us your papers".  You want a job, "show us your papers".  You walk into any city or state building for any reason, "show us your papers".  You interact with law enforcement in any way, even just reporting a crime, "show us your papers".  You walk into a clinic, hospital, or dentist, "show us your papers".

In the mean time we increase the manpower of the federal agency that investigates businesses that hire illegals, and we make the minimum fine if a business is caught hiring an illegal $10k for the first offense.  A second offense will result in a $100k fine and loss of business license for a month.  Third offense is a $1M fine, and you lose your business license in that state permanently.  If you run a meat packing plant and can't find Americans who will do the job, you can raise your wages until you can, go out of business, or let the state put you out of business.

Enough with the bullshit.  Time to get serious about this and put an end to it.

I can get on board with all of that EXCEPT "reporting a crime".

What if an illegal DOESN'T report the criminal... and then the criminal doesn't get caught BECAUSE of that... and then that criminal goes on to commit another crime... but this time it's against a citizen?

[Deleted]

Jul 29, 2014 20:17:11 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I'm with you 100% until you say "even just reporting a crime".....undocumented illegal women would then become very vulnerable to being exploited for sex, victimized for rapes. I'm absolutely of the opinion that if you didn't come here legally, then GTFO and get in line. but I'm not okay with that piece of your proposal. yes, they may have come here illegally, but that doesn't mean it's okay to leave them afraid to report a rape for fear of deportation.

still haven't read the original article, btw. will get to it eventually.

And that's good reasoning too.

[EVT1]

Jul 29, 2014 15:48:55 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

boom!  out go the lights!!!! 

That's Boom Boom!

[EVT1]

Jul 29, 2014 20:17:11 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I'm with you 100% until you say "even just reporting a crime".....undocumented illegal women would then become very vulnerable to being exploited for sex, victimized for rapes. I'm absolutely of the opinion that if you didn't come here legally, then GTFO and get in line. but I'm not okay with that piece of your proposal. yes, they may have come here illegally, but that doesn't mean it's okay to leave them afraid to report a rape for fear of deportation.

still haven't read the original article, btw. will get to it eventually.

Right on WTF?  Someone calls in a home invasion, a rape, a robbery, whatever- and you want the police to interrogate the victim first?

[Malarky]

Jul 29, 2014 21:09:25 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Jul 29, 2014 20:17:11 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I'm with you 100% until you say "even just reporting a crime".....undocumented illegal women would then become very vulnerable to being exploited for sex, victimized for rapes. I'm absolutely of the opinion that if you didn't come here legally, then GTFO and get in line. but I'm not okay with that piece of your proposal. yes, they may have come here illegally, but that doesn't mean it's okay to leave them afraid to report a rape for fear of deportation.

still haven't read the original article, btw. will get to it eventually.

Right on WTF?  Someone calls in a home invasion, a rape, a robbery, whatever- and you want the police to interrogate the victim first?

I won't speak for Chiver, but we live in an area where there is a large illegal population and some of those women have been the object of horrific abuse and have been fearful of reporting it.
I don't want illegal immigrants here and I resent like hell that my tax dollars are spent to support them, but at the same time, I don't think they should be subjected to abuse on the way out the door.
  

[djAdvocate]

Jul 29, 2014 21:20:20 GMT -5 Malarky said:

Jul 29, 2014 21:09:25 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Right on WTF?  Someone calls in a home invasion, a rape, a robbery, whatever- and you want the police to interrogate the victim first?

I won't speak for Chiver, but we live in an area where there is a large illegal population and some of those women have been the object of horrific abuse and have been fearful of reporting it.
I don't want illegal immigrants here and I resent like hell that my tax dollars are spent to support them, but at the same time, I don't think they should be subjected to abuse on the way out the door.
  

how do your tax dollars support them?

[djAdvocate]

Jul 29, 2014 20:10:13 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Time for the Arizona solution.  You want to enroll a kid in school, "show us your papers".  You want a job, "show us your papers".  You walk into any city or state building for any reason, "show us your papers".  You interact with law enforcement in any way, even just reporting a crime, "show us your papers".  You walk into a clinic, hospital, or dentist, "show us your papers".

In the mean time we increase the manpower of the federal agency that investigates businesses that hire illegals, and we make the minimum fine if a business is caught hiring an illegal $10k for the first offense.  A second offense will result in a $100k fine and loss of business license for a month.  Third offense is a $1M fine, and you lose your business license in that state permanently.  If you run a meat packing plant and can't find Americans who will do the job, you can raise your wages until you can, go out of business, or let the state put you out of business.

Enough with the bullshit.  Time to get serious about this and put an end to it.

shawn- if i say "this will never happen", do i need to say why, or do you KNOW why?

[EVT1]

Cheap labor- the dumb republicans are fighting the smart ones- and being misdirected to attacking the democrats. Just my take

[EVT1]

Yep- wasn't for those illegal assholes I would have a bigger house and be able to pay my bills- wouldn't be so angry either

[djAdvocate]

Jul 29, 2014 22:00:52 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Cheap labor- the dumb republicans are fighting the smart ones- and being misdirected to attacking the democrats. Just my take

bingo.  the real power has no interest in solving this problem whatsoever.

this is just like universal background checks.  80% of the public wants them.  they won't happen?  why?  because the 20% is way more powerful than the 80%, that is why.  the 20% pulls the strings, and congress dances.

this issue, federal spending, defense spending, health and welfare- ALL of these things go the way the 20% wants.  it is ONLY when the 20% just happen to agree with the 80% that we get apparently "popular" approval.

our presidents suck.  our congress sucks even worse.  but none of that sucks worse than the sickening corruption.

[EVT1]

Jul 29, 2014 22:07:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 29, 2014 22:00:52 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Cheap labor- the dumb republicans are fighting the smart ones- and being misdirected to attacking the democrats. Just my take

bingo.  the real power has no interest in solving this problem whatsoever.

this is just like universal background checks.  80% of the public wants them.  they won't happen?  why?  because the 20% is way more powerful than the 80%, that is why.  the 20% pulls the strings, and congress dances.

this issue, federal spending, defense spending, health and welfare- ALL of these things go the way the 20% wants.  it is ONLY when the 20% just happen to agree with the 80% that we get apparently "popular" approval.

our presidents suck.  our congress sucks even worse.  but none of that sucks worse than the sickening corruption.

Spot on- I give it an 80% chance your steak was butchered and prepared by an illegal-and in fact the only reason there isn't a shortage.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 29, 2014 22:13:05 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Jul 29, 2014 22:07:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

bingo.  the real power has no interest in solving this problem whatsoever.

this is just like universal background checks.  80% of the public wants them.  they won't happen?  why?  because the 20% is way more powerful than the 80%, that is why.  the 20% pulls the strings, and congress dances.

this issue, federal spending, defense spending, health and welfare- ALL of these things go the way the 20% wants.  it is ONLY when the 20% just happen to agree with the 80% that we get apparently "popular" approval.

our presidents suck.  our congress sucks even worse.  but none of that sucks worse than the sickening corruption.

Spot on- I give it an 80% chance your steak was butchered and prepared by an illegal-and in fact the only reason there isn't a shortage.

and there are labor laws to prevent all of that.  they are just not enforced.  why?  corruption.  the 20%.

the answer is always the same.  follow the money.  just like Deep Throat said.

[Malarky]

how do your tax dollars support them?

In my public schools where we pay for extra classes for kids  who don't speak English, because their parents came here illegally. And can't be bothered to try to assimilate, even if it would be good for their kids.  
When my kid who has drug allergies is exposed to documented cases of diseases to which she should enjoy herd immunity, yet she doesn't. There are documented outbreaks of measles, mumps and outbreaks of tuberculosis.  
When my kid breaks a bone and knows it's broken and  yet begs me not to take him to the ER because "It's Friday night and I don't want to wait for an X-ray"...behind all the illegals who know they can't be turned away.  
When my kid gets "free lunch" and I'm like WTF?  I didn't ask for this, nor did we need it and I'm told "Don't worry, be happy, the taxpayers will cover it."  It was to garner more services for the school/poor/illegals.  Am I the only one who said "I am the taxpayer."

[Malarky]

Jul 29, 2014 22:05:39 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Yep- wasn't for those illegal assholes I would have a bigger house and be able to pay my bills- wouldn't be so angry either

Illegal aliens have nothing to do with whether I have a bigger house or am able to pay my bills.  That's all on me.
I'm angry because they broke the rules to get here and I'm expected to pay for that?  No thanks.  

[djAdvocate]

Jul 29, 2014 22:31:19 GMT -5 Malarky said:

how do your tax dollars support them?

In my public schools where we pay for extra classes for kids  who don't speak English, because their parents came here illegally. And can't be bothered to try to assimilate, even if it would be good for their kids.  
When my kid who has drug allergies is exposed to documented cases of diseases to which she should enjoy herd immunity, yet she doesn't. There are documented outbreaks of measles, mumps and outbreaks of tuberculosis.  
When my kid breaks a bone and knows it's broken and  yet begs me not to take him to the ER because "It's Friday night and I don't want to wait for an X-ray"...behind all the illegals who know they can't be turned away.  
When my kid gets "free lunch" and I'm like WTF?  I didn't ask for this, nor did we need it and I'm told "Don't worry, be happy, the taxpayers will cover it."  It was to garner more services for the school/poor/illegals.  Am I the only one who said "I am the taxpayer."

you're aware, of course, that most of them are taxpayers too, right?

[truthbound]

Jul 28, 2014 21:01:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Hey-if Obama is going to be impeached, he might as well go out with a BANG!

Obama is not going to be impeached. And he is mulling nothing.

[chiver78]

Jul 29, 2014 21:20:20 GMT -5 Malarky said:

Jul 29, 2014 21:09:25 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Right on WTF?  Someone calls in a home invasion, a rape, a robbery, whatever- and you want the police to interrogate the victim first?

I won't speak for Chiver, but we live in an area where there is a large illegal population and some of those women have been the object of horrific abuse and have been fearful of reporting it.
I don't want illegal immigrants here and I resent like hell that my tax dollars are spent to support them, but at the same time, I don't think they should be subjected to abuse on the way out the door.
 

nah, I'd totally put my name on this comment too. you're good.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 30, 2014 4:49:12 GMT -5 truthbound said:

Jul 28, 2014 21:01:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Hey-if Obama is going to be impeached, he might as well go out with a BANG!

Obama is not going to be impeached. And he is mulling nothing.

Fine with me!

[chiver78]

Jul 30, 2014 0:15:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 29, 2014 22:31:19 GMT -5 Malarky said:

how do your tax dollars support them?

In my public schools where we pay for extra classes for kids  who don't speak English, because their parents came here illegally. And can't be bothered to try to assimilate, even if it would be good for their kids.  
When my kid who has drug allergies is exposed to documented cases of diseases to which she should enjoy herd immunity, yet she doesn't. There are documented outbreaks of measles, mumps and outbreaks of tuberculosis.  
When my kid breaks a bone and knows it's broken and  yet begs me not to take him to the ER because "It's Friday night and I don't want to wait for an X-ray"...behind all the illegals who know they can't be turned away.  
When my kid gets "free lunch" and I'm like WTF?  I didn't ask for this, nor did we need it and I'm told "Don't worry, be happy, the taxpayers will cover it."  It was to garner more services for the school/poor/illegals.  Am I the only one who said "I am the taxpayer."

you're aware, of course, that most of them are taxpayers too, right?

not around here....let me try to explain. for starters, the town I work in now is an unofficial "sister city" to Governador Valadares, in the Minas Gerais region in Brazil. most of the illegals here come from there, and they know exactly what they need to do in order to work around the system b/c those illegals that have gone home after coming here and banking tons of cash have told them how it all works here, before they ever leave Brazil.

my mom was the accountant for a string of gas stations owned by one guy in the town I work in. most of those gas stations had little kiosk coffee shops of a local chain (like a Dunkin) that were owned by another guy. my mom got friendly with a couple of the Brazilian girls (early 20s?) that worked the kiosk during a stretch where she was working the gas station register on Sunday nights when the owner had a hard time finding someone for that shift. she learned from the Brazilian girls that they spend no more than one year at any job, using a BS SS#, claiming the max dependents on their W4, and never filing taxes. they cram more people into apartments and houses than a college dorm, in order to save more money. they will work 80h a week if you let them, and they go back to Brazil in a few years and live the good life with everything they banked while they were here.

there are definitely those that stay longer, that have American citizen children that allow them to stay, but ^that is the MO of most of the illegals I've come across. because of the nature of the jobs they take, they are able to stay under the radar as long as they stay out of criminal trouble. I'm all for requiring business owners to actually check the validity of the paperwork anyone presents at the start of a job, and fining those that hire illegals. I don't know why that's not already a requirement. that's just common sense IMHO.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 30, 2014 8:27:08 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 30, 2014 0:15:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you're aware, of course, that most of them are taxpayers too, right?

not around here....let me try to explain. for starters, the town I work in now is an unofficial "sister city" to Governador Valadares, in the Minas Gerais region in Brazil. most of the illegals here come from there, and they know exactly what they need to do in order to work around the system b/c those illegals that have gone home after coming here and banking tons of cash have told them how it all works here, before they ever leave Brazil.

my mom was the accountant for a string of gas stations owned by one guy in the town I work in. most of those gas stations had little kiosk coffee shops of a local chain (like a Dunkin) that were owned by another guy. my mom got friendly with a couple of the Brazilian girls (early 20s?) that worked the kiosk during a stretch where she was working the gas station register on Sunday nights when the owner had a hard time finding someone for that shift. she learned from the Brazilian girls that they spend no more than one year at any job, using a BS SS#, claiming the max dependents on their W4, and never filing taxes. they cram more people into apartments and houses than a college dorm, in order to save more money. they will work 80h a week if you let them, and they go back to Brazil in a few years and live the good life with everything they banked while they were here.

there are definitely those that stay longer, that have American citizen children that allow them to stay, but ^that is the MO of most of the illegals I've come across. because of the nature of the jobs they take, they are able to stay under the radar as long as they stay out of criminal trouble.

i submit that if they were worried about legal trouble, they would stay in Guatemala, or wherever else.  no, they are more worried about starving or getting shot in their home country.  our legal system doesn't worry them a bit.

I'm all for requiring business owners to actually check the validity of the paperwork anyone presents at the start of a job, and fining those that hire illegals. I don't know why that's not already a requirement. that's just common sense IMHO.

it IS a requirement.  but without a well funded and staffed INS, these laws are UNENFORCEABLE.

interesting.  most here are employed by large agricultural concerns, hotels and food franchises.  they have automatic payroll systems.  that means that these folks pay payroll taxes, and SOME (admittedly not much) income tax, as well as worker's comp and a host of other taxes.

several organizations have estimated the revenues received by undocumented aliens, and compared it to services rendered.  even the most staunchly anti-immigrant ones say that over half the costs are covered.  some of the pro-immigrant ones claim that it is over 100% covered.  my own personal estimate is that it is somewhere around 80%

so, although it is true that they take more in services than they pay in taxes (as is the case with most CITIZENS in similar economic standing), it is NOT true that they are huge sucking siphons of public funds, as popular as it may be to say so.

[The Captain]

Jul 30, 2014 9:29:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 30, 2014 8:27:08 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

interesting.  most here are employed by large agricultural concerns, hotels and food franchises.  they have automatic payroll systems.  that means that these folks pay payroll taxes, and SOME (admittedly not much) income tax, as well as worker's comp and a host of other taxes.

several organizations have estimated the revenues received by undocumented aliens, and compared it to services rendered.  even the most staunchly anti-immigrant ones say that over half the costs are covered.  some of the pro-immigrant ones claim that it is over 100% covered.  my own personal estimate is that it is somewhere around 80%

so, although it is true that they take more in services than they pay in taxes (as is the case with most CITIZENS in similar economic standing), it is NOT true that they are huge sucking siphons of public funds, as popular as it may be to say so.

Of course not.  The below stories (most with verifiable links) are just lies.  

Or better yet, wait for your school district to become over 30% ELL and see how well that works out for your kids.

www.examiner.com/article/illegal-aliens-cost-california-hospitals-more-than-1-billion-annually

www.usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7B%22search_term%22%3A%22unaccompanied+alien+children%22%7D

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/amnesty-for-illegal-immigrants-will-cost-america/2013/05/06/e5d19afc-b661-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html

www.nea.org/assets/docs/HE/ELL_Policy_Brief_Fall_08_(2).pdf