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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 1, 2011 11:44:28 GMT -5
there's less traffic if I come in even 30 minutes earlier. I find the opposite. The interstate is all tore up so I get stuck in a jam if I try to use the exit to get to 42nd. If I take Dodge I get stuck in the traffic for the HS. People TRIPLE park letting their kids out, it is insane. By pushing back when I head into work I've been able to avoid all of it, which is especially nice in the wintertime. Once I got stuck because matience was doing work outside, that doesn't show up on the traffice reports, only city work is reported on the news. I had to drive all the way down to Levenworth and come back up and around to 42nd to get to the ONE opening for my stupid assigned parking lot. Whoever designed it should be shot.
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Post by kgb18 on Mar 1, 2011 12:41:06 GMT -5
At my company some departments have to clock in and clock out and they have very set hours. However, in my particular department that's pretty much impossible. My hours shift from day to day. We are exempt from clocking in and out. We send our bosses an e-mail each evening before we leave telling them what hours we plan to work the next day and what we're working on. They fill out our time cards like we all work 8 hour days, and if there's overtime, we can take comp time when it fits into our schedule.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Mar 1, 2011 13:51:05 GMT -5
Count me among the lucky and grateful who work for people that are results oriented and don't watch the clock. I'm not expecting to arrive 45 mins late daily and leave 30 mins early of course -- but once in a while things happen. I'm told that in the old days, there were supervisors who would put leave slips on your desk if you were 2 mins late. Clearly that supervisor had nothing better to do.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 1, 2011 13:54:03 GMT -5
Oh I bet that supervisor is the guy on EE who was complaining about a co-workers bathroom habits.
Which prompted the question from several posters of how exactly are you getting your own job done if you know exactly how many times and how long he spends in the bathroom and not only that, have compared it to every other worker in the room?
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Post by qofcc on Mar 2, 2011 10:46:30 GMT -5
Our scheduled work hours are 8-5, but as I mentioned, I rarely arrive right at 8, usually 8:10-8:25. I was invited to a meeting that was scheduled for 8AM this morning and I had the option of dialing in or going in person, so I thought I'd make the effort to arrive early and go in person. I set the alarm 1/2 hour early. 7:52 I pulled in the parking lot and ran down the road to my building. 7:55 I arrived in the building where I work. We've recently re-shuffled offices and buildings. The door was unlocked, but all of the lights were off and never being the first one here I didn't know where the light switch was, so I stumbled around in the dark and dropped my briefcase on my desk and found a pen & notebook for the meeting. 7:56 I'm heading out the door running to the other building for the meeting and one of the executives is wandering in. He knew where the lights were. 7:58 I arrived at the office of the person who called the meeting, but someone else was seated at the desk. Apparently they moved his office to another floor. I ran back down the stairs and at 8:00 I arrived at his new office, but the door was locked. His assistant said he's in the car on the way in. He has young children at home, so mornings are chaotic. 8:08 he arrived and we started the meeting.
What I concluded: It's rude and unnecessary to schedule meetings for less than 15 minutes after start time because people need to get settled. I'm getting here at an acceptable time and I had my review yesterday and it's not an issue.
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 2, 2011 10:58:37 GMT -5
Another reason not to hire smokers. If you think people watch potty breaks, you can imagine the smoker breaks!!!
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Post by reader79 on Mar 2, 2011 11:06:22 GMT -5
I just used to go on breaks with the smokers, there wasn't much my old boss could do about that. It's hard to tell me that I couldn't go out when her assistant took one every hour for ten minutes.
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Post by flopsy on Mar 2, 2011 11:18:01 GMT -5
as a salaried employee the agreement that i worked under was i picked a time to show up to work (consistent time M-F) or i had a documented flex schedule and if i was going to be late i needed to get a hold or my boss or a coworker so that no one would freak out if i wasn't to be found. . being late to the day wasn't much of an issue but being late to a meeting was a serious sign of disrespect.
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Post by sheilaincali on Mar 2, 2011 11:58:53 GMT -5
I am always on time for work. Comes from growing up with a mother that was late for everything. I am salaried but our office is open from 8 to 4:30. I am the first one here 2 days out of 5. Monday through Thursday I am 20 minutes early. Friday's I am right on time (I have to bring my nephew to daycare and that adds about 15 to 20 minutes to my morning). I eat my lunch at my desk every day. I work until the boss says "ok Sheila, lets lock and head home". My boss notices those of us that are early and those of us that stay late. He loves this habit with the salaried employees and despises it with the hourly ones. He feels punching in early as an hourly employee is stealing from the company.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 2, 2011 12:01:30 GMT -5
He feels punching in early as an hourly employee is stealing from the company. That is DH's work. He got in early during a snowstorm once and had to sit around for 45 minutes before he was allowed to clock in. I had that when I was a server. They wanted you there before your shift started, but you could not clock in till your shift started then they would complain because you were standing around.
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Post by sheilaincali on Mar 2, 2011 12:17:24 GMT -5
Boss is a numbers guy. So if our entire crew showed up 15 minutes early, by 20 guys that's 300 minutes a day or 5 hours a day. 35 hours a week of people showing up 15 minutes early every day roughly equates to: $1,050 a week (because you know that 15 minutes is basically all OT). Plus union benefits on that is another $479 a week. So 15 minutes early can cost us over $1500 a week in extra wages.
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Post by dragonfly7 on Mar 2, 2011 12:19:53 GMT -5
He feels punching in early as an hourly employee is stealing from the company.
I formerly had a interim manager who considered punching in a single minute before opening or after closing grounds for a write-up. He was at the corporate office rather than the retail store and didn't seem to understand that we couldn't just stack the customers on our desks at 6pm and go home.
As for being late to work, if it is a position where other people are relying on you to be there at a certain time, you'd better be there on time. Otherwise, if everyone doesn't need to be in the office simultaneously at all time, I'd rather have flexible start and end times for the day. As long as everyone gets their work finished at some point in between those hours, I would think everyone would be okay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 15:29:56 GMT -5
My first job were CRAZY about being on time. If I came in 2 minutes late, they'd tell me to make it up at lunch? Literally at 5 o'clock, people paraded towards the door. I guess that's the environment you foster.
My next job was your typical sales job where they hire a lot of graduates. They not only got upset when you were late, but they actually had people sing a song to the group when they were late! I think they meant it to be a fun way to discourage tardiness, but looking back on it I can't believe it.
The rest of my jobs after that were all normal. Kind of the type where you can come in between 6.30 and 9 and as long as you got your work done, then you were ok.
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Post by cytoglycerine on Mar 2, 2011 16:41:21 GMT -5
He feels punching in early as an hourly employee is stealing from the company.I formerly had a interim manager who considered punching in a single minute before opening or after closing grounds for a write-up. He was at the corporate office rather than the retail store and didn't seem to understand that we couldn't just stack the customers on our desks at 6pm and go home. LMAO!! Not to mention the fact that in order to punch out at your exact shift ending time, and not a minute sooner OR later, you have to be standing around the machine waiting for the clock to flip. Then you'd get written up for standing around. There's just no way to win with a boss like that.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Mar 2, 2011 17:05:47 GMT -5
...:::"Oh I bet that supervisor is the guy on EE who was complaining about a co-workers bathroom habits.":::...
I've heard some great bathroom stories. There is one guy here who seems to head into the bathroom with a book every day. He passes by and returns 20 mins later. Another guy told the tale of "the regulars". These 3 guys who seemed to use the bathroom from 8am to 8:30am EVERY DAY. Their reasoning was why use it at home when they can use it at work and get paid to! If you needed a stall, you had to get in before them, or you'd have to wait.
Some people need to eat more fiber...
...:::"It's rude and unnecessary to schedule meetings for less than 15 minutes after start time because people need to get settled. I'm getting here at an acceptable time and I had my review yesterday and it's not an issue.":::...
I hate when people schedule meetings before 10am. I'll do 9am begrudgingly. I like to have my time to REALLY get settled in, check all e-mail, and so forth.
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Post by busymom on Mar 2, 2011 17:10:32 GMT -5
They are sticklers for time where I work. I have witnessed people getting fired for being a few minutes late one time too many. I have no problems showing up on time, but am definitely NOT a morning person.
DD recently got a job where she impressed the human resources person by showing up 1/2 an hour early for an interview. Way to go Baby!!
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Post by daylight on Mar 2, 2011 17:33:41 GMT -5
We are expected to work between 9 am and 6 pm. I'm 99,99% on time. I used to come in at 8:30. Nobody noticed, except the receptionist, cause the bosses were not in (but they would phone occasionally). I had to stay till 6, no matter what, so I stopped coming in before 9 am. About once a year, the big boss would be in at 8:30, typically on a day when I'd pulled an all-nighter the day/night before (without her knowledge) and I'd be happy to reach my desk at 9 am sharp or even a couple of minutes later. Even more annoyingly, my closest colleagues (in the same rank) were always late. One always by 30 minutes, another by 45 minutes and another colleague was several hours late each and every day...the latest she came in was 1.30 PM (!), and not just once, but several times. I think she worked about 10 hours less per week just by arriving late. Again, with the occasional exception, when the bosses would call with a task and it turned out that they were on their way or still at home, nobody would notice. And they just claimed that they overslept. Bosses would not know that they overslept every day. I have never ever been complimented on being always on time (except the all-nighters). Maybe it shows in my paycheck, maybe it does not. I try to mind my own business and do not worry about my colleague being 4,5 hours (!) late - and not being noticed. I came to the conclusion that the work morale at my current workplace is very low. Usually, it does pay to be on time, especially, if it is communicated to be important. And no, I was not able to "oversleep", since bosses would know somehow that I'm always in at 9 (even though I'm fairly sure they did not know about my colleague arriving at 1.30 pm repeatedly instead of 9 am), so whenever something came up, usually I was their first choice to call, unless it was personal and not affecting me.
ETA: I'm not a morning person at all, my dream job would start at noon or 2 pm, but was disciplined both by parents and school to be on time.
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Post by daylight on Mar 2, 2011 17:39:00 GMT -5
LOL, as for bathroom stories...our first secretary, who has been fired since, used to spend 20 minutes in the stall twice/three times per day. She was very young, so probably not sick, had nothing to read with her...another female colleague also noticed and we would guess what she was up to. 20 minutes each time, seriously... Maybe she was re-applying her make-up from stage exfoliation. The restroom was next to the big boss's room though, and she noticed too. Probably one of the biggest unsolved mysteries at my workplace
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 2, 2011 17:39:06 GMT -5
There are jobs for early birds.
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Post by 998fbird on Mar 2, 2011 20:35:32 GMT -5
Davebo you made me LOL...My first 'job' was the US Army, no option, you had to be 'on time' or face disciplinary action. These days life is so much easier with actual flex time and since I'm one of the earliest people to get in I can be a little late and there's no one around to notice. Of course it doesn't hurt that my manager is habitually late.
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Post by commuter on Mar 2, 2011 22:27:07 GMT -5
LOL seriously make up 2 minutes at lunch? How would someone know? I thought that was funny. I am lucky I currently work for someone who is not a morning person. He also has no problem with working from home, etc. I work from home, weekends (not a lot), etc...I want some flexibility, but I also don't abuse it.
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Post by kgb18 on Mar 2, 2011 22:39:18 GMT -5
At my old job the secretary hated me. She had a little notebook for the people she didn't like and she would keep tabs on them and write it down. Even if I was just a couple of minutes late, it was noted and reported. Of course she never bothered to note when I skipped a lunch to keep working or stayed late ...
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 2, 2011 23:37:11 GMT -5
One CPA I worked for had his daughter recording our comings and goings when it came to time. We thought he was bad, but he had her doing his dirty work.
The administrative assistant got fired for excessive tardiness. I saw what he sent to unemployment when he fought for her not to get it. Some of the entries had her arriving one minute late and then making coffee. We didn't even make coffee in that office, so I don't know where that came from? She did get her unemployment. He didn't care that she stayed late almost every night.
If you have problems getting to work on time, do not work for a CPA firm where the goal is that ALL of your time is billable to clients.
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Post by tractor on Mar 3, 2011 14:08:06 GMT -5
Where I work there are few expectations. I try to show up and put in an eight-nine hour day, but no one in the office (including the owners) really pay much attention, and I can come and go as I please. As long as my clients are happy, and the work gets done, everyone's happy. Now with that being said, when we need to do 80 hours a week away from home to get a project done, I also do that. My boss continues to say that we really don't need an office and he would like it better if we all just stayed home, maybe got together for breakfast once a week to go over project needs and see who can out. I try to work from home at least once a week, but find it very hard to stay productive. As time goes on, I'm learning to get better at it, but I find it hard to stay on focus.
They used to keep track, but after balancing the long weeks away, with the regular/partial weeks in the office, it all evens out. I struggle with this everytime I start to think about working somewhere else. The place I work is great and I can really do whatever I want and draw a decent salary, but I'm getting really bored with it after 22 years.
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Post by daylight on Mar 3, 2011 18:24:18 GMT -5
Toughtimes - I agree. We discussed this subject when the secretary had a day off. My metabolism is very quick, so I'm also sensitive about restroom related comments.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Mar 3, 2011 18:58:46 GMT -5
The job I worked where my team almost always came in after 8am was a CPA firm. We just weren't morning people. We made up our time accordingly.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 4, 2011 10:57:18 GMT -5
I've worked for 3 small CPA firms. All were sticklers about being on time, taking only the time allowed for lunch and not leaving early without permission. Of course, there is the required overtime during tax season. On Saturday, they usually just had a number of hours requirement. You could do your 8 hours at your leisure....
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Post by daylight on Mar 6, 2011 15:46:54 GMT -5
Hey, that's fair at a CPA firm. I'm paying them to know their way around numbers...being punctual sort of goes hand in hand with this Sorry to hear about your overtime requirements...we have similar ones. Put in your 8 hours, and any additional hours that may be needed. I put in more than 2X of the legally allowed amount of overtime for 3 years straight.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 6, 2011 17:44:55 GMT -5
Hey, that's fair at a CPA firm. I'm paying them to know their way around numbers...being punctual sort of goes hand in hand with this Sorry to hear about your overtime requirements...we have similar ones. Put in your 8 hours, and any additional hours that may be needed. I put in more than 2X of the legally allowed amount of overtime for 3 years straight. Legally allowed amount of overtime?? I've never heard of such a thing.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 6, 2011 17:49:12 GMT -5
I'm very flexible with my staff...as long as they get their job done I don't care if they come in at7"30 or 8:30, as long as there are no client restrictions. I also allow them to work through lunch or take one...I am not there to micromanage...we are all professionals and they know what they need to get done. I have found that treating younger staff like professionals instead of children, they work harder for me because they appreciate the respect that I give them.
There are other managers in my firm that are jackwads about being 2 minutes late...these are the same managers who can't understand why noone wants to go the extra mile for them.
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