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Post by Opti on Jul 10, 2014 10:31:04 GMT -5
I don't think has anything to do with pro-capitalism and anti-capitalism.
Its yet another business decision by a big retailer that was reversed. Ho-hum.
In other news, Crumbs the chain of cupcake bakery stores has folded. Apparently this heralds the death of the cupcake craze. Or perhaps, the owners could have planned better after two years of losses.
Decisions not yet reversed - Vitamin water reformulation - McDonald's and whole milk
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 10, 2014 10:34:35 GMT -5
I am absolutely 100% certain Paul will be able to find the anti-American liberal democrat behind the demise of the poor cupcake company.
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Post by Opti on Jul 10, 2014 10:37:35 GMT -5
I am absolutely 100% certain Paul will be able to find the anti-American liberal democrat behind the demise of the poor cupcake company. I think they were dropped from Nasdaq a week before they shut everything down. Felt sorry for the workers as apparently most had no idea.
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Post by Opti on Jul 10, 2014 10:40:02 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 10, 2014 10:42:49 GMT -5
I am absolutely 100% certain Paul will be able to find the anti-American liberal democrat behind the demise of the poor cupcake company. I think they were dropped from Nasdaq a week before they shut everything down. Felt sorry for the workers as apparently most had no idea. I blame the current trend of using WAAAAY too much icing. Used to be a cupcake had a nice little coating of frosting, for some reason modern cupcake stores decided to include more frosting than cake and then charge you ten bucks for it. So you get diabetes and broke at the same time - unsustainable business model. Due to liberal excess, no doubt.
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Post by Opti on Jul 10, 2014 10:46:13 GMT -5
Nah, probably conservative excess and a lack of attention from Bloomberg.
Made the mistake of going after large sodas. Might have had some traction on excess icing.
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Post by dondub on Jul 10, 2014 10:50:51 GMT -5
Costco did what it always does on books that don't move a certain product number within a specific amount of time...they removed it. When the book starting moving up the charts they reversed course as they are in the business of selling saleable goods. It's really that simple. Even they are willing to msell the books of convict3ed criminals like D'Souza.
I knew Paul would start a thread on this and put some spin down.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2014 11:24:28 GMT -5
Costco is awesome.
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Post by EVT1 on Jul 11, 2014 4:02:49 GMT -5
www.snopes.com/politics/business/dsouza.asp
Costco's response to inquiries about the issue has been to assert that their motivation for pulling D’Souza’s book from their shelves was based on sales rather than politics: "Costco is not influenced by political considerations in selecting product for sale in our warehouses or on Costco.com. This includes our selection of books. Our book buyers are solely interested in book sales, and do not favor any political persuasion over another. Recently, after deciding to sell the book "America: Imagine the World Without Her", beginning on June 1, a decision was made to pull the book from sale on July 1. This decision was based solely on the number of copies sold during that month, and had nothing to do with the content of the book.
Costco is not a book store. Our book shelf space is very limited. We exercise discipline in the best utilization of that limited space based solely on what our members are buying. We can't carry every title that our members are interested in reading. We are constantly monitoring book sales, and make decisions to pull books off the shelves frequently based on sales volume to make room for other titles. Politics or controversy over content do not influence our decisions. "
By the end of the day on 8 July 2014, Costco began adding a paragraph to their standard customer response indicating that they had reversed their position and would be re-stocking D'Souza's America: Imagine a World Without Her: "After we made the return, a documentary was released about the book. Since then there has been heightened interest by our membership base and brisk sales at locations still in stock. Therefore, we have made the decision to reorder the book." So it appears all decisions made were based on Capitalism. And once again no story.
Funny- I wonder why they stocked the book in the first place if it was a political thing. Damn conspiracy around every corner these days.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2014 11:37:59 GMT -5
www.snopes.com/politics/business/dsouza.asp
Costco's response to inquiries about the issue has been to assert that their motivation for pulling D’Souza’s book from their shelves was based on sales rather than politics: "Costco is not influenced by political considerations in selecting product for sale in our warehouses or on Costco.com. This includes our selection of books. Our book buyers are solely interested in book sales, and do not favor any political persuasion over another. Recently, after deciding to sell the book "America: Imagine the World Without Her", beginning on June 1, a decision was made to pull the book from sale on July 1. This decision was based solely on the number of copies sold during that month, and had nothing to do with the content of the book.
Costco is not a book store. Our book shelf space is very limited. We exercise discipline in the best utilization of that limited space based solely on what our members are buying. We can't carry every title that our members are interested in reading. We are constantly monitoring book sales, and make decisions to pull books off the shelves frequently based on sales volume to make room for other titles. Politics or controversy over content do not influence our decisions. "
By the end of the day on 8 July 2014, Costco began adding a paragraph to their standard customer response indicating that they had reversed their position and would be re-stocking D'Souza's America: Imagine a World Without Her: "After we made the return, a documentary was released about the book. Since then there has been heightened interest by our membership base and brisk sales at locations still in stock. Therefore, we have made the decision to reorder the book." So it appears all decisions made were based on Capitalism. And once again no story.
Funny- I wonder why they stocked the book in the first place if it was a political thing. Damn conspiracy around every corner these days. sounds like capitalism is working just fine. the only injury is to D'Souza's ego.
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Post by EVT1 on Jul 11, 2014 13:11:22 GMT -5
That and a few hundred irate commenters on the various websites threatening to boycott Costco/cut up their memberships because they are a left-wing Socialist organization ***Actually called that
Interesting points:
Book was sold for an entire month- as Rush calls it, censorship.
Free market dictates they can sell whatever they want so why all the false outrage? Don't these folks know when they are being played by these pundits and the author?
Dr. Ben Carson- conservative darling is on the board of directors- AND his book is for sale there- another conspiracy BTW
So my advice to the hardcore right- don't shop there- their employees are treated well and that is going to make you uncomfortable- especially if the clerk is making more that you
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2014 13:46:48 GMT -5
That and a few hundred irate commenters on the various websites threatening to boycott Costco/cut up their memberships because they are a left-wing Socialist organization ***Actually called that
Interesting points:
Book was sold for an entire month- as Rush calls it, censorship.
Free market dictates they can sell whatever they want so why all the false outrage? Don't these folks know when they are being played by these pundits and the author? NO, or they like it. Personality-wise it seems some people must get off on being angry all the time. I don't get it, but I guess since they can't find peace and happiness they are willing to settle for being mad and angry at other people?
Dr. Ben Carson- conservative darling is on the board of directors- AND his book is for sale there- another conspiracy BTW
So my advice to the hardcore right- don't shop there- their employees are treated well and that is going to make you uncomfortable- especially if the clerk is making more that you
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Post by Angel! on Jul 11, 2014 14:05:26 GMT -5
Costco did what it always does on books that don't move a certain product number within a specific amount of time...they removed it. When the book starting moving up the charts they reversed course as they are in the business of selling saleable goods. It's really that simple. Seriously, I fail to see how this is even a story. A book that is ranked #43 in sales & only sold 3600 copies in a month when costco has more than 600 locations is ordered to removed from the store. Seems like a pretty smart move to me, why waste the merchandise space on something that isn't selling & I am guessing rarely do book sales shoot up after the first month of release, it is usually probably downhill from there. With a little research they probably should have realized a movie was coming out & sales would increase, but they didn't at the time. When they did realize this & saw the trend shift, they withdrew the order to remove the book. To make this out to be anything more than that is just conspiratorial & silly
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 11, 2014 14:28:06 GMT -5
OK, I'm sensing that the operating theory is that the numbers tell the story? Why wasn't Hillary Clinton's book ever pulled from Costco's shelves? You DO realize it was a crushing disappointment in sales, right?
So, all you "business decision" people now have a question to answer.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 11, 2014 14:37:14 GMT -5
Let's see... Publishing executives 'on notice' after Hillary Clinton's $14million memoir sells just 161,000 copies in first three weeks A book that is ranked #43 in sales & only sold 3600 copies in a month when costco has more than 600 locations is ordered to removed from the store. 161,000 copies in three weeks is bigger than 3600 copies in a month. I'd drop the latter and stock the former. Seems pretty straightforward. I don't see what part of the math here is all that hard.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2014 15:10:13 GMT -5
Let's see... Publishing executives 'on notice' after Hillary Clinton's $14million memoir sells just 161,000 copies in first three weeks A book that is ranked #43 in sales & only sold 3600 copies in a month when costco has more than 600 locations is ordered to removed from the store. 161,000 copies in three weeks is bigger than 3600 copies in a month. I'd drop the latter and stock the former. Seems pretty straightforward. I don't see what part of the math here is all that hard. the part that doesn't lend itself to hysterical right wing ranting?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 11, 2014 18:39:06 GMT -5
Let's see... Publishing executives 'on notice' after Hillary Clinton's $14million memoir sells just 161,000 copies in first three weeks A book that is ranked #43 in sales & only sold 3600 copies in a month when costco has more than 600 locations is ordered to removed from the store. 161,000 copies in three weeks is bigger than 3600 copies in a month.I'd drop the latter and stock the former. Seems pretty straightforward. I don't see what part of the math here is all that hard.Um, that 161,000 is total. World-wide. Every place that sells a book- brick and mortar or online.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2014 18:48:15 GMT -5
Actually...
"By normal nonfiction standards, “Hard Choices” has sold extremely well. But Mrs. Clinton’s multimillion-dollar advance and status as a probable 2016 Democratic presidential candidate have put added pressure on the publisher, Simon & Schuster.
Current sales figures of 177,234 copies not including e-books, according to Nielsen BookScan, mean Simon & Schuster is unlikely to recoup Mrs. Clinton’s advance and could fall far short of the one million copies shipped to bookstores, industry executives said."
www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/business/a-provocateurs-book-on-hillary-clinton-overtakes-her-memoir-in-sales.html?_r=0
But truthfully we need to compare like to like. The book in the OP averaged a sale of 6 books per Costco store in one month. What is the sales volume of Clinton's book at Costco now and in the past? Worldwide numbers aren't going to tell us that.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2014 18:55:40 GMT -5
Not finding book sales, but apparently Hillary has done some book signings at a few Costcos.
still4hill.com/2014/06/14/hillary-clintons-book-tour-watch-costco-in-arlington-you-never-know-who-you-might-bump-into/
" The Huffington Post | By Igor Bobic
Posted: 06/14/2014
Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor bumped into Hillary Clinton at a Costco in Arlington, Virginia on Saturday.
The former secretary of state was holding court at the sprawling Washington-area retailer with hundreds of supporters, signing copies of her new book, Hard Choices. Sotomayor, a D.C. resident, told reporters that she was “just shopping” when she happened to stumble upon the event."
Probably more than 6 books then. The conservative mud slinging book timed to ride Hillary's books coat-tails as conservatives know is picking up steam and deflating Hillary's book's momentum.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 11, 2014 18:57:14 GMT -5
www.snopes.com/politics/business/dsouza.asp
Costco's response to inquiries about the issue has been to assert that their motivation for pulling D’Souza’s book from their shelves was based on sales rather than politics. Anybody who believes this, raise your hand. As the articles clearly point out, sales of Hillary Clinton's book have been even more in the tank--for longer--and Costco didn't see fit to axe that "based on sales rather than politics". This is the political right's version of boycotting Chik Fil-A. Only the right is doing it because Costco is actually censoring books, not because the Costco CEO dared speak out in defense of marriage. Incidentally, the 161,000 copies in three weeks for Ms. Clinton's book is across all book publishers, not just Costco (as the articles also clearly indicate). Does anybody here actually read these things? The answers are all right there.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2014 18:58:16 GMT -5
With 6 a month per big volume store, it needs to go up.
Costco knows their numbers. If you were really a capitalist and trusted the system, you'd trust they'd drop her book when her book sales dropped into the sales volume his book had there.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2014 19:03:13 GMT -5
www.snopes.com/politics/business/dsouza.asp
Costco's response to inquiries about the issue has been to assert that their motivation for pulling D’Souza’s book from their shelves was based on sales rather than politics. Anybody who believes this, raise your hand. As the articles point out, sales of Hillary Clinton's book have been even more in the tank--for longer--and Costco didn't see fit to axe that "based on sales rather than politics". This is the political right's version of boycotting Chik Fil-A. Only the right is doing it because Costco is actually censoring books, not because the Costco CEO dared speak out in defense of marriage. Me.
Are you math challenged too, Virgil? Dinesh's book averaged 6 sales in a month over 600 Costco stores!
Do you personally know how many sales Clinton's book is doing over those same Costco stores?
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2014 19:06:45 GMT -5
Really...
There is one publisher. There are an unknown amount of stores the publisher has put into an unknown number of books. Not all stores will carry the book, just the ones that have made deals with the publisher.
So enlighten me, what is the exact number of the 177,000+ copies sold to date that were sold at Costco?
I'll wait, cuz the answer is *THERE*.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 11, 2014 19:17:53 GMT -5
I found a better article by the WaPo. It explains that if you use the three week average of the Clinton book sales rather than the most recent week of sales, it sold roughly 5x as much as D'Souza's book. If you look at the last week only, D'Souza's book outsold Clinton's by a factor of roughly 6:5, which is close to what the other articles cited. The article indicates that Costco makes book-cutting decisions on a weekly basis, but it's plausible that they were working with old data that hadn't yet captured the magnitude of "Hard Choices"'s plummet.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 11, 2014 19:25:29 GMT -5
Anybody who believes this, raise your hand. As the articles point out, sales of Hillary Clinton's book have been even more in the tank--for longer--and Costco didn't see fit to axe that "based on sales rather than politics". This is the political right's version of boycotting Chik Fil-A. Only the right is doing it because Costco is actually censoring books, not because the Costco CEO dared speak out in defense of marriage. Me.
Are you math challenged too, Virgil? Dinesh's book averaged 6 sales in a month over 600 Costco stores!
Do you personally know how many sales Clinton's book is doing over those same Costco stores?
The total numbers are 15 copies per Costco store for D'Souza's book. And as the WaPo article indicates, although Ms. Clinton's book handily outsold D'Souza's overall, the sales were/are so front-loaded that D'Souza's book edged out Clinton's during the past week (or rather, the last week of June). It takes a bit of calculation since the numbers for Ms. Clinton's book are reported in aggregate.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2014 19:26:10 GMT -5
If you look at the last week only, D'Souza's book outsold Clinton's by a factor of roughly 6:5, which is close to what the other articles cited. I don't see that stat in the article from your URL.
Its not a political plot, really. They gave Dinesh's book 3 to 4 weeks before they pulled it initially. Clinton's books may be pulled in the near future because of slow sales. Meh.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2014 19:27:33 GMT -5
According to them, now. Obviously that means they aren't in all 600 stores if you do the math with the 3700+.
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