Why only ask women?

[achelois]

Jul 23, 2014 20:45:05 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jul 23, 2014 20:23:49 GMT -5 achelois said:

But it has no effect on ability to function. Why do they think it does?


I guess guys must not talk about this amongst each other much?

It's not really a conscious worry... more of a subconscious fear.

And it's not "it's a vasectomy" that they (we) fear "down there" it's "something other than fun time that involves sharp objects and pain in/near the fun zone"


ETA: And yes, you would be right. vasectomies are NOT something guys talk about a lot. Usually we limit discussion (if we have any at all) to how much use we are getting out of "the twig and giggle berries"*... not how we have limited their function... painfully.




*two points for anyone that can name that reference 

"Twig and giggle berries". New one to me and not one I could really say out loud.  I tried in the privacy of my own home. 

Vasectomies are not that painful. Really. You guys!  

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Jul 24, 2014 4:33:29 GMT -5 achelois said:

Jul 23, 2014 20:45:05 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

It's not really a conscious worry... more of a subconscious fear.

And it's not "it's a vasectomy" that they (we) fear "down there" it's "something other than fun time that involves sharp objects and pain in/near the fun zone"


ETA: And yes, you would be right. vasectomies are NOT something guys talk about a lot. Usually we limit discussion (if we have any at all) to how much use we are getting out of "the twig and giggle berries"*... not how we have limited their function... painfully.




*two points for anyone that can name that reference 

"Twig and giggle berries". New one to me and not one I could really say out loud.  I tried in the privacy of my own home. 

Vasectomies are not that painful. Really. You guys!  

If it's not painful... why do they use anesthetic? 

[wvugurl26]

Jul 23, 2014 20:18:14 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

I'm guessing that TD has never gotten asked as to whether he was worried about his domestic partner harming him.  Yet I've been asked this question most times I've gone to the doctor.

The new patient packet for the anesthesia pain doctor had a question about that. I'm not sure how useful a question on a list of endless ones is especially on a form I fill out online outside of the doctor's office. I'm guessing for those it is an issue for they aren't going to answer truthfully.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Jul 24, 2014 5:56:33 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

Jul 23, 2014 20:18:14 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

I'm guessing that TD has never gotten asked as to whether he was worried about his domestic partner harming him.  Yet I've been asked this question most times I've gone to the doctor.

The new patient packet for the anesthesia pain doctor had a question about that. I'm not sure how useful a question on a list of endless ones is especially on a form I fill out online outside of the doctor's office. I'm guessing for those it is an issue for they aren't going to answer truthfully.

I don't remember being asked that but it doesn't mean I haven't been. 

Hit post too soon.  But it's a question that should be asked too. 

I guess I don't want doctors to shy away from the hard conversations because they're hard.  Things change (attitudes on abuse, child bearing, child raising and sexual health) when we start talking about them.  And a doctor's office is (or should be, in my opinion) one of the places where these conversations happen. 
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I guess the guys I know are more open to and about getting fixed.  I know 3 (4 if we're counting DH) and I think several of my friends (or their partners) have been snipped.  Generally I think it comes up when someone is thinking about having it done and then after a few months it drops until the next person is thinking about it. 

[achelois]

It is not that painful. All you really need is a bit of local numbing medication.  Tatoos are more painful.

 We give sedation because we really appreciate you guys sparing your wives the more uncomfortable, more invasive intra-abdominal procedure which requires more risky spinal or general anesthetic and more prolonged recovery.  It is thoughtful and loving of you to do that. 

And 'cause you guys are sorta wimpy about nonfun stuff down there. 

[Wisconsin Beth]

Jul 24, 2014 12:09:41 GMT -5 achelois said:

It is not that painful. All you really need is a bit of local numbing medication.  Tatoos are more painful.

 We give sedation because we really appreciate you guys sparing your wives the more uncomfortable, more invasive intra-abdominal procedure which requires more risky spinal or general anesthetic and more prolonged recovery.  It is thoughtful and loving of you to do that. 

And 'cause you guys are sorta wimpy about nonfun stuff down there. 

And because insurance companies cover it..

[achelois]

Jul 24, 2014 12:10:37 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Jul 24, 2014 12:09:41 GMT -5 achelois said:

It is not that painful. All you really need is a bit of local numbing medication.  Tatoos are more painful.

 We give sedation because we really appreciate you guys sparing your wives the more uncomfortable, more invasive intra-abdominal procedure which requires more risky spinal or general anesthetic and more prolonged recovery.  It is thoughtful and loving of you to do that. 

And 'cause you guys are sorta wimpy about nonfun stuff down there. 

And because insurance companies cover it..

Shhhh....

[Sum Dum Gai]

Sperm don't age the way eggs do though. Sperm are continually produced throughout the life of the male, whereas that's not the case with females.

All a man has to do to get a completely "fresh made" batch is fire off a few "rounds" from his "personal cannon" (how he does this is entirely up to him and/or a willing partner).

Now, the testicles, on the other hand, after a certain age they could begin producing inferior sperm... but that's a whole different argument than "sperm age".

The longest study ever done on birth defects was done in Israel I believe and is fairly old now, but it was the first one that found that increases in birth defects among babies correlate very highly with parental age, and was unique in that it looked at the age of the fathers as well, and found that their age was just as big a risk factor.  Women are told all the time that their risks of all kinds of complications go up after 30, but men are seldom told that their risks are just as high.

As Rich pointed out, it's the testicle age that does it.  The sperm are nice and fresh, but they're made in aging factories that aren't producing the same level of product that they used too.

The biggest risk factor was autism, by the way.  It climbs quite quickly with parental age of either parent.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Jul 24, 2014 12:57:13 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Sperm don't age the way eggs do though. Sperm are continually produced throughout the life of the male, whereas that's not the case with females.

All a man has to do to get a completely "fresh made" batch is fire off a few "rounds" from his "personal cannon" (how he does this is entirely up to him and/or a willing partner).

Now, the testicles, on the other hand, after a certain age they could begin producing inferior sperm... but that's a whole different argument than "sperm age".

The longest study ever done on birth defects was done in Israel I believe and is fairly old now, but it was the first one that found that increases in birth defects among babies correlate very highly with parental age, and was unique in that it looked at the age of the fathers as well, and found that their age was just as big a risk factor.  Women are told all the time that their risks of all kinds of complications go up after 30, but men are seldom told that their risks are just as high.

As Rich pointed out, it's the testicle age that does it.  The sperm are nice and fresh, but they're made in aging factories that aren't producing the same level of product that they used too.

The biggest risk factor was autism, by the way.  It climbs quite quickly with parental age of either parent.

Yeah there's a paper out on autism being genetic.  They used the population of Sweden? (them, Norway or Finland anyway)

www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/07/autism_and_common_genes_environment_and_mutations_are_less_important.html

[wvugurl26]

Jul 24, 2014 7:40:16 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Jul 24, 2014 5:56:33 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

The new patient packet for the anesthesia pain doctor had a question about that. I'm not sure how useful a question on a list of endless ones is especially on a form I fill out online outside of the doctor's office. I'm guessing for those it is an issue for they aren't going to answer truthfully.

I don't remember being asked that but it doesn't mean I haven't been. 

Hit post too soon.  But it's a question that should be asked too. 

I guess I don't want doctors to shy away from the hard conversations because they're hard.  Things change (attitudes on abuse, child bearing, child raising and sexual health) when we start talking about them.  And a doctor's office is (or should be, in my opinion) one of the places where these conversations happen. 
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I guess the guys I know are more open to and about getting fixed.  I know 3 (4 if we're counting DH) and I think several of my friends (or their partners) have been snipped.  Generally I think it comes up when someone is thinking about having it done and then after a few months it drops until the next person is thinking about it. 

I do think they are in a good position to note it. I just don't see how effective one question on a form I fill out ahead of time before I even set foot in the practice is. Now if they follow it up with a review of those forms I'll have a different opinion. Conversations yes, I see a value in, questions on a form I'm not so sure.