Evidence of "End of the World" Epidemic Found In Egypt

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2014 0:35:22 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Already explained that, look at the last paragraph in post 27. The part about forgiveness. Also, without God and his love we don't exist. We need to earn the respect we think we deserve. Look at how humans treat each other.

Was it out of "love" or out of of some other motivation that God created us? You have referred to God as the parent. That "parent" has created\allowed a horrific home environment for me to live in. He\She\It, according to you, has committed mass murder. Not sure why it is I who needs to do something to earn respect. Look at how God has treated us.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Wrong, humans have created their own horrible environment. Again, free will. Would you rather be a robot without it?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

You are also ignoring what I have said about forgiveness and wanting us to succeed. Why?

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2014 10:03:29 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Wrong, humans have created their own horrible environment. Again, free will. Would you rather be a robot without it?

I would rather not be looking over my shoulder to see if God is going to punish me for exercising the free will he gave me.

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2014 10:07:36 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

You are also ignoring what I have said about forgiveness and wanting us to succeed. Why?

It seems like the claim is that we are responsible for all the bad in the world and God is responsible for all the good. Convenient?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jun 20, 2014 10:37:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 20, 2014 10:03:29 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Wrong, humans have created their own horrible environment. Again, free will. Would you rather be a robot without it?

I would rather not be looking over my shoulder to see if God is going to punish me for exercising the free will he gave me.

Why do you feel so guilty?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jun 20, 2014 10:54:02 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 20, 2014 10:07:36 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

You are also ignoring what I have said about forgiveness and wanting us to succeed. Why?

It seems like the claim is that we are responsible for all the bad in the world and God is responsible for all the good. Convenient?

Is that what I have said? Is that what we have been talking about? Have you not said that the idea of Gods punishment creeps you out because of what we are talking about here?

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2014 11:33:30 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Jun 20, 2014 10:37:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I would rather not be looking over my shoulder to see if God is going to punish me for exercising the free will he gave me.

Why do you feel so guilty?

I have not accepted Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior. My understanding is that is a "deal breaker". I am basically a good person based on feedback from most people who know me (ex-wifes excepted). Is God pleased with me for that or should I be concerned about the next time he/she/it decides he/she/it has been pushed to his/her/its limits of patience and sends down another plague?

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2014 11:35:20 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Jun 20, 2014 10:54:02 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It seems like the claim is that we are responsible for all the bad in the world and God is responsible for all the good. Convenient?

Is that what I have said? Is that what we have been talking about? Have you not said that the idea of Gods punishment creeps you out because of what we are talking about here?

Did you not equate God's punishment to your own as a parent? Is your punishment of your children bad, or is it a necessary positive to get them on the right track? Please cite one example when God has been a dickhead.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jun 20, 2014 14:41:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 20, 2014 11:33:30 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Why do you feel so guilty?

I have not accepted Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior. My understanding is that is a "deal breaker". I am basically a good person based on feedback from most people who know me (ex-wifes excepted). Is God pleased with me for that or should I be concerned about the next time he/she/it decides he/she/it has been pushed to his/her/its limits of patience and sends down another plague?

I see JC as the Messiah so we could be in the same boat. I guess we find out when we die. For the time being I'm going to show respect to God, and try my best to live by the principals of peace and love.

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2014 14:55:35 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Jun 20, 2014 14:41:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I have not accepted Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior. My understanding is that is a "deal breaker". I am basically a good person based on feedback from most people who know me (ex-wifes excepted). Is God pleased with me for that or should I be concerned about the next time he/she/it decides he/she/it has been pushed to his/her/its limits of patience and sends down another plague?

I see JC as the Messiah so we could be in the same boat. I guess we find out when we die. For the time being I'm going to show respect to God, and try my best to live by the principals of peace and love.

I, too, will try my best to live by the principles of peace and love as I have always done. If there is a God, and if those are in fact his/her/its principles, I hope that he/she/it accepts that by my life I have shown respect for the opportunity to have lived a conscious existence. If the fact that I didn't worship God and Son during my brief existence is enough to condemn me, so be it.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jun 20, 2014 14:46:46 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 20, 2014 11:35:20 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Is that what I have said? Is that what we have been talking about? Have you not said that the idea of Gods punishment creeps you out because of what we are talking about here?

Did you not equate God's punishment to your own as a parent? Is your punishment of your children bad, or is it a necessary positive to get them on the right track? Please cite one example when God has been a dickhead.

I'm not pissed off at God so I can't give you an example of him being a dickhead. I would say that is a pissed off teenagers point of veiw.

Yes, it's exactly like a good parent giving their child a good home and many advantages and having them through it in your face. You try to guide them for a bit, but when they push it to far you have to take the necessary steps to correct the behavior. You never give up and you always do what you can to try and help them succeed. The hope is that one day they will become mature, responsible, adults.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jun 20, 2014 15:03:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 20, 2014 14:55:35 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

I see JC as the Messiah so we could be in the same boat. I guess we find out when we die. For the time being I'm going to show respect to God, and try my best to live by the principals of peace and love.

I, too, will try my best to live by the principles of peace and love as I have always done. If there is a God, and if those are in fact his/her/its principles, I hope that he/she/it accepts that by my life I have shown respect for the opportunity to have lived a conscious existence. If the fact that I didn't worship God and Son during my brief existence is enough to condemn me, so be it.

Peace be with you.

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2014 15:04:08 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

... I can't give you an example of him being a dickhead.

Thus supporting the idea that all things bad in the world are someone/something other than God's fault. How about an example of one thing good that God isn't responsible for? Do you have an example of that being the case.

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2014 15:06:48 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Jun 20, 2014 15:03:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I, too, will try my best to live by the principles of peace and love as I have always done. If there is a God, and if those are in fact his/her/its principles, I hope that he/she/it accepts that by my life I have shown respect for the opportunity to have lived a conscious existence. If the fact that I didn't worship God and Son during my brief existence is enough to condemn me, so be it.

Peace be with you.

You also. (Btw, I find it hard to believe that an all powerful being who created us, if such a being does exist, would not be pleased by the discussion we are having. )

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jun 20, 2014 15:24:00 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 20, 2014 15:04:08 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

... I can't give you an example of him being a dickhead.

Thus supporting the idea that all things bad in the world are someone/something other than God's fault. How about an example of one thing good that God isn't responsible for? Do you have an example of that being the case.

No, it doesn't support that at all Bills. What it supports is my view that adults have a tendency to act immature by doing things that go against their common sense, or their "gut", as it were.

I don't see a plague as a good thing, but the Romans were given chance after chance. I don't see what is going on in the Mid East as a good thing, but they continue to slaughter and keep the ladies oppressed because of "God's word".(which is why Islam is on the way out/collapsing in on itself) So those are bad things that God has done to humans, but it's because of the way we are acting.

The invention of the automobile, the scientific process, medicine, all good things that man has done with the help of God because God wants us to succeed.

If everyone, everywhere would act with respect, peace, and love(maturity); think of all the good things that would be accomplished by mankind.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jun 20, 2014 15:27:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 20, 2014 15:06:48 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Peace be with you.

You also. (Btw, I find it hard to believe that an all powerful being who created us, if such a being does exist, would not be pleased by the discussion we are having. )

I would agree. I can guarantee that God would be happier with this than one filled with judgment, bigotry, and hatred.

I'm going to start a thread this summer on this topic, I don't want to derail what we are talking about here so I won't get into it here; however, check out this math...Roger Penrose on Cosmic Fine-Tuning: "Incredible Precision in the Organization of the Initial Universe"

[dothedd]

"God, not JC is in control." 

"JC is the messiah or messenger if you will. So until humans get that this is God's house and we are to live by the pricipals of respect, peace, and love we will continue to have problems, like the big hurdle that is in front of us.

So again, we only have ourselves to blame for the problems that we have faced. God will let it go for a bit, but this is his house and we have to live by his rules. Which again are respect, peace, and love. Forgiveness is in the cards as well. I don't know about you, but I'm happy about the time and place that I exist in. I would rather be living now than during the Roman Empire, even during the period that was know as Pax Roma. I think our advances say a lot about how God wants us to succeed, just like any good parent would."