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Post by bimetalaupt on Jun 14, 2014 20:51:59 GMT -5
Bet on black: this is a high risk system that uses time arbitration to "medicate" risk. Call it my ASA for the Head ache of volatility. It is all about risk: Monte Carlo risk of the known unknown. so if your correlation of M3 to DJIA is 64% you investment at 50% Intrinsic Value should produce a superior return then on dividends alone. That does not mean buying zero income only dividends add little to the value. Look at IBM, HD and JNJ: All have future value 200% over valuation and pay a dividend. Look about the stock and efficient use of capital. Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jun 14, 2014 23:42:36 GMT -5
Good point . Taking on massive amounts of debt to fund buybacks and dividends with no innovation in the pipeline is a low growth strategy for sure. Question; what kind of risk metric does a global conflict have in your math models? Higher oil and gas prices=less money going into the general economy. Hope you're having a good weekend.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jun 15, 2014 14:38:46 GMT -5
Current 10 year projection of the intrinsic Value of these equities.just a fast check of these three with 2.5% interest 10 year T notes and 3.5% 30 year t-bond firm............ISV@10 years..........WACC HD............. $166.62 ... ............ WACC ....5.05% IBM ............$569.79 ............,...WACC......4.91% JNJ..............$204.29................WACC........4.47%
WACC= WEIGHTED AVERAGE COST of CAPITAL
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jun 15, 2014 22:33:10 GMT -5
I'm guessing the first number is price projections? What maturity are the numbers based against? This week will probably be a good one to tuck 50% of dividends that need to be reinvested away. Especially because it's getting close to payout time again.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jun 16, 2014 0:06:11 GMT -5
I'm guessing the first number is price projections? What maturity are the numbers based against? This week will probably be a good one to tuck 50% of dividends that need to be reinvested away. Especially because it's getting close to payout time again. A++++, No, Intrinsic Stock Value or current value of future cash flows. I lost it trying to make a copy and have to retype the post..later God Bless you and yours, BiMetalAuPt MMXV-BETA:The last bull upper projection for DJIA Sept 30,2015 is $20,039.2288106 with a Correlation to M3 of 64.043990972482163%. We will present more numbers for Long term Calls or puts later. We are expecting a summer war between bonds and stock. KASH is KING
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jun 16, 2014 9:34:49 GMT -5
, Wow, talk about growth potential then. I'm expecting some more war to break out over summer as well. I always wait a bit after I decide I might buy. Should be an interesting couple of weeks. God bless you and yours as well,
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jun 19, 2014 22:49:07 GMT -5
The school of value system is all about understanding risk: system we will talk about is call " Value At Risk". From Hull's book. What I talked ABOUT IN THE PAST WAS THE MATH MODEL THAT PROJECTED MY RISK WAS 228% OF MY EXPECTED RETURN.
Our test system with real cash was set for the true Bar-Bell test of 80% T-Bonds and up to 20% futures and Options. In the real world 85% of all Calls and Puts reach the expiration date worthless. The trick we were working with was to write uncovered puts until the asset was put to the system then writing calls. T-Bonds are 90% Cash equivalents. Now if the stock market declines then you will see the lack of correlation with the bond market. This is known as the Efficient Frontier: best return for the risk. Now I will say that I am 95% sure that I will not lose more the 20%. Problem is It cost me profit to buy insurance. I tested the numbers against Citigroup that had36% ROE at the time( 2006-2007). There risk was 64% of return.
An Example of this system might be CALLS on IYZ 10% PUTS on QQQ 10% KASH IS KING 1% T-Bonds 79% Est Alpha 4.00 EST Beta -0.5 Problem has been that a market natural total system portfolio has in the past produced a long term return of 7% with the S.D. 8%. Assume more risk over time and high beta portfolio produced 12% with SD of 25% ( beta 2.00+). Can you live with both?
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jun 21, 2014 23:29:16 GMT -5
The school of value system is all about understanding risk: system we will talk about is call " Value At Risk". From Hull's book. What I talked ABOUT IN THE PAST WAS THE MATH MODEL THAT PROJECTED MY RISK WAS 228% OF MY EXPECTED RETURN.
Our test system with real cash was set for the true Bar-Bell test of 80% T-Bonds and up to 20% futures and Options. In the real world 85% of all Calls and Puts reach the expiration date worthless. The trick we were working with was to write uncovered puts until the asset was put to the system then writing calls. T-Bonds are 90% Cash equivalents. Now if the stock market declines then you will see the lack of correlation with the bond market. This is known as the Efficient Frontier: best return for the risk. Now I will say that I am 95% sure that I will not lose more the 20%. Problem is It cost me profit to buy insurance. I tested the numbers against Citigroup that had36% ROE at the time( 2006-2007). There risk was 64% of return.
An Example of this system might be CALLS on IYZ 10% PUTS on QQQ 10% KASH IS KING 1% T-Bonds 79% Est Alpha 4.00 EST Beta -0.5 Problem has been that a market natural total system portfolio has in the past produced a long term return of 7% with the S.D. 8%. Assume more risk over time and high beta portfolio produced 12% with SD of 25% ( beta 2.00+). Can you live with both?
, I had to read this a few times... Seems like you are saying that this system could produce a guaranteed loss because of options and your returns are diminished because of insurance? As opposed to owning shares in companies that have been around for decades to over a century that pay you to hold them/income generating fixed income assets?? God bless,
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jun 22, 2014 18:00:25 GMT -5
A++++, This study was done 2006-2007. You are correct and the point I was trying to make is Option trading is like going to Lost Wages, NV: odds favor the house. Assumption of risk increase return . Covered puts were my best trades' It is looking like March 2009 again per
Have a great week end Bruce.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jun 24, 2014 0:04:58 GMT -5
, I kind of figured as much. Lost wages for sure, especially when you have to buy insurance just to assume that extra risk.. March 2009? Margin debt all time high, China's overbuilding has doubled since then and the buyers have dried up. Inflation starting to creep up, the Mid East is twice as bad as it was. Putin has shown his true colors. IDK, but I did call the US manufacturing Renaissance, the US oil and gas boom, the US housing bottom, the private US slow and steady recovery(per velocity of money). I brought the China ghost cities problem up well in advance(including the proper timing), the New EU, the fact that China will have to fight the war in the Mid East.... You sure that wasn't march '08? Having a good week so far, God bless,
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 28, 2014 14:01:43 GMT -5
JNJ at BETA 0.54 and 25 years =410.32 How much of this is due to share buy back?++ with out share buy back JNJ Beta was 0.89 ISV = 305.09 so 105 could be related to buyback/ price defence!! not dividends
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Post by tyfighter3 on Jul 28, 2014 21:21:58 GMT -5
That's why I like growth stocks. Who cares about a 4 or 5% dividend when they are growing 50, 100 % or more a year. And then there are stocks like EPD that's doing both.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 29, 2014 0:58:44 GMT -5
I'm with ya Ty. Growth + dividends is where it's at! JNJ at BETA 0.54 and 25 years =410.32 How much of this is due to share buy back?++ with out share buy back JNJ Beta was 0.89 ISV = 305.09 so 105 could be related to buyback/ price defence!! not dividends I think you're right on the money , no surprise there. Lots of appreciation in the market has been due to buybacks.Also, as you have stated numerous times .. GREAT CALL!!!
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 30, 2014 10:41:55 GMT -5
Don’t be fooled, all is not well for stocksFor those who only watch the headlines, the stock market looks as if it’s doing a pretty decent job digesting 6 years of gains. The Dow (DJI) is hanging out near record highs in the 17,000 area, the S&P 500 (^GSPC) is within 2% of the once unthinkable 2,000 mark and the Nasdaq (^ICIX) is higher than anytime in the last decade. Or maybe this is just the lull before the storm. As Josh Brown of the Reformed Broker CEO of Ritholtz Wealth Management notes in the attached clip, under the surface things are worse than they seem. Small caps are underperforming, the Nasdaq is being led by a tiny fraction of major stocks and it’s all but impossible to find ideas that are particularly fresh by any reasonable standard. For want of a better term the market is choppy and choppy is bad. “Tops are a process. A choppy market can sometimes be indicative of a change in trend.” When you’re six years into a bull market and long stocks there’s a good chance you’d prefer to have the upward drift in the market continue finance.yahoo.com/news/don-t-be-fooled--all-is-not-well-for-stocks-173341410.htmlRIDK DJIA 5QS $2776.59678505399 15 MONTH RIDK % 16.267603054171833% 1 sd + djia $20,443.0357719 wild ride!!! RISK and return all in the next 15 months: WALL of worth and wealth with a bit of "volitionality".. (In linguistics, volition is a concept that distinguishes whether the subject, or agent of a particular sentence intended an action or not. Simply, it is the intentional or unintentional nature of an action.[1] Volition concerns the idea of control and for the purposes outside of psychology and cognitive science, is considered the same as intention in linguistics. Volition can then be expressed in a given language using a variety of possible methods. These sentence forms usually indicate that a given action has been done intentionally, or willingly. There are various ways of marking volition cross-linguistically. When using verbs of volition in English, like want or prefer, these verbs are not expressly marked.[2] Other languages handle this with affixes,[1][2] while others have complex structural consequences of volitional or non-volitional encoding.[1][3)( THINK HFT AND WHAT THEY DO: ACT ON WORDS IN THE NEWS) VOLATILITY S&P 500 (^VIX) -Chicago Options 13.66 Up 0.38(2.86%) 11:27AM EDT Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt Just read the words from the last paragraph of the FOMC..July 30,2014..
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 30, 2014 23:17:36 GMT -5
Bio, You mean like if they would have said they need to grease the wheels on the day Argentina defaulted it would have been... interesting. How about the DJT? Great call! God Bless,
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Post by tyfighter3 on Jul 31, 2014 12:11:05 GMT -5
Well, I've been in CASH since April. Just doing some short term stuff to keep me sharp. I think the underlieing RISK in this market is getting to big for this Market to go much higher without a correction to happen. IMO it would be Healthy for the Market. At my age, I'm keeping my cash close to me. lol
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Post by tyfighter3 on Jul 31, 2014 12:40:36 GMT -5
And as I speak look at WLL bucking the trend today. Energy is where it's at.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Aug 1, 2014 0:29:47 GMT -5
Well, I've been in CASH since April. Just doing some short term stuff to keep me sharp. I think the underlieing RISK in this market is getting to big for this Market to go much higher without a correction to happen. IMO it would be Healthy for the Market. At my age, I'm keeping my cash close to me. lol Might as well be tight at this point. The times, they are a changing.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Aug 4, 2014 13:49:25 GMT -5
JNJ at BETA 0.54 and 25 years =410.32 How much of this is due to share buy back?++ with out share buy back JNJ Beta was 0.89 ISV = 305.09 so 105 could be related to buyback/ price defence!! not dividends Did you see the video Charles Biderman, Jeremy Siegel video I posted from July, 2007? Buybacks were also a big topic of discussion at that point as well. Look at who else is sitting on their stocks and letting their cash pike grow! Love it when I'm on the same page as this guy.. Buffett Waits on Fat Pitch as Cash Hoard Tops $50 Billion
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Post by jarrett1 on Aug 4, 2014 15:40:52 GMT -5
As the USA's CEO's respond to Obama's "you don't get it" video...we will now have the debate we should have had in 2007-2008!!!
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Post by bimetalaupt on Aug 5, 2014 7:21:16 GMT -5
As the USA's CEO's respond to Obama's "you don't get it" video...we will now have the debate we should have had in 2007-2008!!! With Apple Inc.'s repurchases staking a claim as the most profitable on record, buybacks remain one of America's most popular antidotes to bears. The iPhone maker is up 25 percent since it spent $18 billion on its own shares between January and March and rallied 32 percent after a $16 billion buyback in 2013. Those are the highest four-month returns among the 20 biggest quarterly repurchases by any company since 1998, according to data compiled by Bloomberg and Standard & Poor's. S&P 500 constituents have spent $211 billion on their own stock this year amid concern the five-year bull market is prone to selloffs such as last week's 2.7 percent retreat finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-buybacks-pay-most-ever-040001811.htmlAs I said: buy backs are defensive action against short selling by HFT!!! They improves Intrinsic Stock Value by lowering the BETA: RISK and this effect Valuation ,ore then it cost. Also improves Return or equity and reduces WACC ( weighted Average Cost of Capital). Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt
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Post by bimetalaupt on Aug 5, 2014 7:35:35 GMT -5
Story of the buy-back the broke the shorts! Many years ago Telidyn (sp) sold several money losing of its many firms to raise cash. The 'Shorts' assumed they were about to buy XXXX for a lot of $$$$$. The stock crashed. They did a buy back and demanded the stock certificates be returned. The stock started up like 10% in one day. By law the shorts had 3 days to re-buy the stock and return the borrowed shares. They never did buy XXXXXX and made a very nice improvement in the stock price in part to the new lower beta and improved growth due to the fact they sold some money losing firms. Remixes of the assets to focused on profits makes me think of JNJ!! Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt Jim Cramer also talked about this in April 2014.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Aug 7, 2014 1:12:33 GMT -5
The last major buy signal Expert 50/50 through we had a Equity Risk Premium of greater then 6.00% for 10 years cycle. beta = 0.05 (DUK) ERP 10Y LD EST. 5.260367964444000%ERP 30Y 4.453367964% TOTAL MARKET AT 1.05 BETA total sm yield 1.71% M3 growth 7.86% combination 9.57% erp 6.320000000000%
IF AND ONLY IF THE DJIA REACHES 14816.3535700851 ( major black swan event= 2 standard deviation crash or super correction) THEN!!! IT IS A BET ON RED..OK MOST OF THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN BET ON BLACK
HIGH RISK AT BETA = 1.35 SMALL CAPS 11.4528000000% Max margins at 1.05 beta with 67% return upside / downside ( Possibility X Probability) MAR 11.16840000000% WACC = 8.45% Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt RIDK 4619.964375 19436.3179450851 UPSIDE 3102.53794508509 DJIA UPSIDE/RISK 67.1550188108% Highest risk DJIA 14816.3535700851
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Post by jarrett1 on Aug 8, 2014 8:08:33 GMT -5
All bets are off until/when the traders in their $300,000 summer rentals decide to trade the market...market side ways til after labor day!!!
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Post by bimetalaupt on Aug 29, 2014 8:45:36 GMT -5
Well: yes spending was down for July so SAVINGS was up to 5.7%. That is a 0.3% increase from MAY AND JUNE. SAVING DRIVES INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND AFTER A 9 MONTH DELAY M2 WILL INCREASE GEP AND after a 15 month delay we will have increased long term capital SPENDING EFFECTING THE GDP!. ALSO DEBT IS UNDER BETTER CONTROL! This Week In Credit Card News: Late Payments At 7-Year Low; The Top-Rated ... Forbes - 52 minutes ago The rate of U.S. credit card payments at least 90 days overdue fell to 1.16% in the second quarter–the lowest level in at least seven years, credit reporting agency TransUnion said. Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/PSAVERT2014-07: 5.7 2014-06: 5.4 2014-05: 5.4 2014-04: 5.2 2014-03: 4.8
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Aug 30, 2014 19:43:40 GMT -5
Those are some great points ! I'll take decreased spending, decreased debt, and increased savings any day of the week and twice on Sunday!!! Shows the strength of the US economy, shows how much better of a place the US consumers has got to over the last 5 years, and like you said; shows the strength of long term industrial production that is in store for the NA economy. Think about durable goods for the global conflict... I've got an interesting line of thought to post later on your swan thread.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jun 29, 2015 17:42:08 GMT -5
The Discounted Cash flow model aka RETIRE has posted a buy on DUK!! In a world of an expected total return for retirement of 7% the expected return of 9% is looking better then the average retirement funding system. Equity risk Premium of 6%+ is classed by our Math model as BUY: just like March 2009. Yes it takes BALLS OF GOLD to buy when the world is selling in FEAR... BUY!! DUK.
dividend................. est. growth.......................... total return............................ ERP 4.488356%............ 4.520000%.......................... 9.008356%.......................... 6.68%
Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 6, 2015 15:16:23 GMT -5
THANK-YOU SIR: MMXVI-ALPHA AGREES!!!! AT These number it DUK is a buy per MMXVI-Alpha: ERP > 6% dividend........................est. growth............... total return................... ERP 4.384393%................. 4.520000%................ 8.904393%................... 6.63%
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 7, 2015 16:11:35 GMT -5
DUK CLOSED AT 75.27 UP 2.42 OR 3.32%... LEAVING IT JUST IN BUY DUE TO THE MAJOR DROP IN INTEREST RATE ON T-BONDS ( 30 YEARS)..
dividend................... est. growth............ total return.................... ERP
4.384217%.............. 4.520000%............ 8.904217%................... 6.67%
QUESTION OF THE DAY? WHY DOES GREEK DEBT HAVE ANYTHIN K TO DOW WITH THE VALUE OF FREE ENERGY IN WEST TEXAS? NOW FOR NG: IS NG A REAL BUY SO WE ARE DONE WITH OLD COAL POWER obsolete plants ? Intrinsic Stock Value ( Value Pro) 110.07
Just a thought, BiMetalAuPt
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