Where ta heck this Russian fish from? China???

[tloonya]

I sell this fish. Frozen Alaska Pollock.
It says on the back of the package:
Caught in Russia
Product of China
Distributed by X LTD in Road island


I do not eat fish from ponds or lakes or rivers or sewers in China!
So to me it is VERY important IF this fish is Alaskan or 'Product of China'...
So...anyone? I defrosted it already

[Deleted]

I know that there are companies that catch fish off the coast of Scotland but find it cheaper to ship it all to China for canning/packaging than to do it locally.

I agree with you on products from China (especially food), so DH and I always read labels carefully. While the fish may not have ever been near Chinese waterways, I don't trust them to use proper sanitation or treat their employees fairly.

[NancysSummerSip]

I would not touch any seafood caught, raised or processed in China or any other Asian country. Their processing standards are not the best, and their environmental controls don't rate well, either.
abcnews.go.com/Business/consumers-eating-feces-tainted-shrimp-fish-seafood-asia/story?id=17491264

www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/09/formaldehyde-detected-in-supermarket-fish-imported-from-asia/


And yes, seafood from other countries does indeed get sent to China for processing and packaging, as Athena stated, only to be sent back to the country of origin. It makes no sense from a taste perspective, since the longer it takes to get to the consumer, the more the nutritional and taste value degrade.

[tloonya]

May 28, 2014 9:57:53 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

I know that there are companies that catch fish off the coast of Scotland but find it cheaper to ship it all to China for canning/packaging than to do it locally.

I agree with you on products from China (especially food), so DH and I always read labels carefully. While the fish may not have ever been near Chinese waterways, I don't trust them to use proper sanitation or treat their employees fairly.

See...it says PRODUCT of China.
If Russians caught it in Alaskan waters and they shipped it to China to freeze and pack - it is NOT a PRODUCT of China.
It 'packed in China', right?

[Sunnyday]

May 28, 2014 10:21:52 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

I would not touch any seafood caught, raised or processed in China or any other Asian country. Their processing standards are not the best, and their environmental controls don't rate well, either.
abcnews.go.com/Business/consumers-eating-feces-tainted-shrimp-fish-seafood-asia/story?id=17491264

www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/09/formaldehyde-detected-in-supermarket-fish-imported-from-asia/


And yes, seafood from other countries does indeed get sent to China for processing and packaging, as Athena stated, only to be sent back to the country of origin. It makes no sense from a taste perspective, since the longer it takes to get to the consumer, the more the nutritional and taste value degrade.

Let's be clear here. I wouldn't trust anything from China, but I would do Japan and Korea. The other countries, I would slightly be suspicious.

[NancysSummerSip]

May 28, 2014 10:25:16 GMT -5 Sunnyday said:

May 28, 2014 10:21:52 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

I would not touch any seafood caught, raised or processed in China or any other Asian country. Their processing standards are not the best, and their environmental controls don't rate well, either.
abcnews.go.com/Business/consumers-eating-feces-tainted-shrimp-fish-seafood-asia/story?id=17491264

www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/09/formaldehyde-detected-in-supermarket-fish-imported-from-asia/


And yes, seafood from other countries does indeed get sent to China for processing and packaging, as Athena stated, only to be sent back to the country of origin. It makes no sense from a taste perspective, since the longer it takes to get to the consumer, the more the nutritional and taste value degrade.

Let's be clear here. I wouldn't trust anything from China, but I would do Japan and Korea. The other countries, I would slightly be suspicious.

Because of the tsunami and subsequent radiation issues in Japan, I'd be leery of seafood from that country, unless it was from an area outside the disaster zone. I have to admit I've never seen seafood from Korea in this area, so I'll have to check on their standards.

I have to say in full disclosure, I live in an area where there is plenty of local fish to eat, but I understand that in many places, the selection is much smaller.

[Sunnyday]

yeah, I forgot about that tsunami and the nuclear reactor thing. I thought you were talking about them adulterating the food.

[tloonya]

May 28, 2014 10:40:21 GMT -5 Sunnyday said:

yeah, I forgot about that tsunami and the nuclear reactor thing. I thought you were talking about them adulterating the food.

Is 'adulterating the food' another 'nice' way of saying 'they fuck up the food'? Like they are comitting adultery to a food...cool!

Also...Korea is better then China why? Same Indonesia, India etc...they all overpopulated and having too many poor people to
employ for pennies...why would they care MORE? No, not buying it...

[Sunnyday]

May 28, 2014 10:56:29 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 28, 2014 10:40:21 GMT -5 Sunnyday said:

yeah, I forgot about that tsunami and the nuclear reactor thing. I thought you were talking about them adulterating the food.

Is 'adulterating the food' another 'nice' way of saying 'they fuck up the food'? Like they are comitting adultery to a food...cool!

Also...Korea is better then China why? Same Indonesia, India etc...they all overpopulated and having too many poor people to
employ for pennies...why would they care MORE? No, not buying it...

Your take on language makes me smile. but yes, it's fucking up the food .

And Korea is not overpopulated and they are not poor. I lived there and it's not any of those things. China otoh, while I only visited it, was so gross!!

[Deleted]

May 28, 2014 10:24:47 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 28, 2014 9:57:53 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

I know that there are companies that catch fish off the coast of Scotland but find it cheaper to ship it all to China for canning/packaging than to do it locally.

I agree with you on products from China (especially food), so DH and I always read labels carefully. While the fish may not have ever been near Chinese waterways, I don't trust them to use proper sanitation or treat their employees fairly.

See...it says PRODUCT of China.
If Russians caught it in Alaskan waters and they shipped it to China to freeze and pack - it is NOT a PRODUCT of China.
It 'packed in China', right?

It's still a product of China if they get a pile of whole fish and do all the processing and packing.  If their factory is not up to par who knows what is ending up in those cans with the fish. 

[tloonya]

May 28, 2014 11:10:58 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

May 28, 2014 10:24:47 GMT -5 tloonya said:

See...it says PRODUCT of China.
If Russians caught it in Alaskan waters and they shipped it to China to freeze and pack - it is NOT a PRODUCT of China.
It 'packed in China', right?

It's still a product of China if they get a pile of whole fish and do all the processing and packing.  If their factory is not up to par who knows what is ending up in those cans with the fish. 

Yeah, as always you were reading and probably sewing something or cooking...admit it.
I am yet to see FROZEN canned fish...

[Deleted]

May 28, 2014 11:15:48 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 28, 2014 11:10:58 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

It's still a product of China if they get a pile of whole fish and do all the processing and packing.  If their factory is not up to par who knows what is ending up in those cans with the fish. 

Yeah, as always you were reading and probably sewing something or cooking...admit it.
I am yet to see FROZEN canned fish...

Sewing something?  No. I'm at work.  I'm a Quality Technician.  I would worry about the QUALITY and SAFETY practices in a Chinese seafood packaging place.  Canned, frozen, whatever...  They fuck up dog food for crying out loud.

[tloonya]

May 28, 2014 11:19:49 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

May 28, 2014 11:15:48 GMT -5 tloonya said:

Yeah, as always you were reading and probably sewing something or cooking...admit it.
I am yet to see FROZEN canned fish...

Sewing something?  No. I'm at work.  I'm a Quality Technician.  I would worry about the QUALITY and SAFETY practices in a Chinese seafood packaging place.  Canned, frozen, whatever...  They fuck up dog food for crying out loud.

It is really a difficult task to perform to fuck up fish when all you need to do is to FREEZE it and stick into the package.
I thought you are sewing because you had not read my OP AGAIN!

[Wisconsin Beth]

May 28, 2014 11:23:51 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 28, 2014 11:19:49 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Sewing something?  No. I'm at work.  I'm a Quality Technician.  I would worry about the QUALITY and SAFETY practices in a Chinese seafood packaging place.  Canned, frozen, whatever...  They fuck up dog food for crying out loud.

It is really a difficult task to perform to fuck up fish when all you need to do is to FREEZE it and stick into the package.
I thought you are sewing because you had not read my OP AGAIN!

Oh, so your frozen fish has the skin on and the bones and guts still inside?  Cool.  Personally, I like mine minced into fish sticks after the skin, guts and bones have been processed off.  And I, personally, don't trust China's regulations and regulators on how sanitary the conditions those things are done in. 

[Deleted]

May 28, 2014 11:23:51 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 28, 2014 11:19:49 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Sewing something?  No. I'm at work.  I'm a Quality Technician.  I would worry about the QUALITY and SAFETY practices in a Chinese seafood packaging place.  Canned, frozen, whatever...  They fuck up dog food for crying out loud.

It is really a difficult task to perform to fuck up fish when all you need to do is to FREEZE it and stick into the package.
I thought you are sewing because you had not read my OP AGAIN!

Ok.  Try this.  Raw fish being kept in unsanitary conditions?  Maybe kept unthawed for long periods of time and starting to rot before it's frozen?  Workers not washing up or following proper food handling guidelines? 

[Deleted]

We are no longer confident in eating any ocean fish. Instead we are trying to buy farm raised fish, that have been raised in running river water. BTW...IMHO, a potentially great business to own.

[greeniis10]

Yes, I agree with Pat.  It seems like there are issues with all types of food anymore!  I try to eat only whole, unprocessed foods and I don't eat meat or dairy.  I used to really like fish, but unless it is caught locally at a high-altitude lake or stream I've given it up as well.  Being inland, there's no telling where the fish we get actually comes from. 

I rely on labels for almost everything and they can be very interesting.  Not sure about your specific fish, though OP.

[Lizard Queen]

I pretty much only eat fish that my brother catches in Lake Michigan.  (He catches a lot, and I get it for free.)  Even then, you still have to worry about the mercury content of some species.

[Deleted]

Never heard of "Road Island" 

Your fish was caught in the Western Bering Sea or Sea of Okhotsk (Russian waters)

Alaskan Pollock is the type of fish. I know there is Atlantic Pollock and Alaskan Pollock and they are different kinds of fish. Maybe there are more pollocks that I don't know about. 

The fish is frozen into a huge block, sent to China for processing where is it defrosted & re-frozen to individual fillets (or turned into fish paste). This is the cheapest way to process the fish.

Better if you buy the fish that is processed in Alaska or Russia. Individually frozen on the boat (super giant fishing trawlers have processing plants on them) or brought to the Alaskan processing plants.

[milee]

May 28, 2014 11:29:40 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

May 28, 2014 11:23:51 GMT -5 tloonya said:

It is really a difficult task to perform to fuck up fish when all you need to do is to FREEZE it and stick into the package.
I thought you are sewing because you had not read my OP AGAIN!

Ok.  Try this.  Raw fish being kept in unsanitary conditions?  Maybe kept unthawed for long periods of time and starting to rot before it's frozen?  Workers not washing up or following proper food handling guidelines? 

Or even if they do a good job with the process, the water used to wash the workers' hands and the equipment is the same unsanitary water that you're not supposed to drink. If you're not supposed to drink it because it contains contaminants, you sure as heck don't want those contaminants "washing" the hands and equipment.

Unfortunately, even with the best intentions and trying to follow "Western" sanitary processes, if you don't have basics like purified water available, you can still have some pretty gnarly contamination. It's one thing to travel to that country and understand that when traveling, poor food sanitation is just a risk you have to take in order to see and experience certain things.  But it's another thing to live here in America where food safely is generally good but still be willing to take the risks of food contamination - why risk it here?

[NancysSummerSip]

May 28, 2014 11:23:51 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 28, 2014 11:19:49 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Sewing something?  No. I'm at work.  I'm a Quality Technician.  I would worry about the QUALITY and SAFETY practices in a Chinese seafood packaging place.  Canned, frozen, whatever...  They fuck up dog food for crying out loud.

It is really a difficult task to perform to fuck up fish when all you need to do is to FREEZE it and stick into the package.
I thought you are sewing because you had not read my OP AGAIN!

No, it's not difficult to mess up quality fish. But it is cheaper. That's why so much of it is sent to China for processing, and much of what is caught in the waters around SE Asia (Thailand, Vietnam) is sent here. Chemical processing is a cheap way to preserve seafood. Doing it right is what's expensive.

[tloonya]

May 29, 2014 7:50:36 GMT -5 @lillylake said:

Never heard of "Road Island" 

Your fish was caught in the Western Bering Sea or Sea of Okhotsk (Russian waters)

Alaskan Pollock is the type of fish. I know there is Atlantic Pollock and Alaskan Pollock and they are different kinds of fish. Maybe there are more pollocks that I don't know about. 

The fish is frozen into a huge block, sent to China for processing where is it defrosted & re-frozen to individual fillets (or turned into fish paste). This is the cheapest way to process the fish.

Better if you buy the fish that is processed in Alaska or Russia. Individually frozen on the boat (super giant fishing trawlers have processing plants on them) or brought to the Alaskan processing plants.

You just re-written my question broader than I did...where is my answer? ...and I hope you had heard of Rhode Island?
The question remaining. Where is the 'caught in Russia product of China' fish is from?

[NancysSummerSip]

May 29, 2014 11:26:37 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 29, 2014 7:50:36 GMT -5 @lillylake said:

Never heard of "Road Island" 

Your fish was caught in the Western Bering Sea or Sea of Okhotsk (Russian waters)

Alaskan Pollock is the type of fish. I know there is Atlantic Pollock and Alaskan Pollock and they are different kinds of fish. Maybe there are more pollocks that I don't know about. 

The fish is frozen into a huge block, sent to China for processing where is it defrosted & re-frozen to individual fillets (or turned into fish paste). This is the cheapest way to process the fish.

Better if you buy the fish that is processed in Alaska or Russia. Individually frozen on the boat (super giant fishing trawlers have processing plants on them) or brought to the Alaskan processing plants.

You just re-written my question broader than I did...where is my answer? ...and I hope you had heard of Rhode Island?
The question remaining. Where is the 'caught in Russia product of China' fish is from?

Your question was answered. Fish caught in Russian territorial waters is Russian fish.

Your fish was caught in the Western Bering Sea or Sea of Okhotsk (Russian waters)

[tloonya]

May 29, 2014 11:34:53 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

May 29, 2014 11:26:37 GMT -5 tloonya said:

You just re-written my question broader than I did...where is my answer? ...and I hope you had heard of Rhode Island?
The question remaining. Where is the 'caught in Russia product of China' fish is from?

Your question was answered. Fish caught in Russian territorial waters is Russian fish.

Your fish was caught in the Western Bering Sea or Sea of Okhotsk (Russian waters)

It says PRODUCT OF CHINA right after that!

[NancysSummerSip]

May 29, 2014 11:37:09 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 29, 2014 11:34:53 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

Your question was answered. Fish caught in Russian territorial waters is Russian fish.

Your fish was caught in the Western Bering Sea or Sea of Okhotsk (Russian waters)

It says PRODUCT OF CHINA right after that!

It is....it is caught in Russian waters and sent to China for final processing. That means it is gutted, scaled, cut, preserved and packaged in China. Both countries get credit for their part in making the final product.

[tloonya]

May 29, 2014 11:43:18 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

May 29, 2014 11:37:09 GMT -5 tloonya said:

It says PRODUCT OF CHINA right after that!

It is....it is caught in Russian waters and sent to China for final processing. That means it is gutted, scaled, cut, preserved and packaged in China. Both countries get credit for their part in making the final product.

So if this fine alaskan fish contaminated in China is it still good Alaskan fish? NO!

[NancysSummerSip]

May 29, 2014 11:48:22 GMT -5 tloonya said:

May 29, 2014 11:43:18 GMT -5 NancysSummerSip said:

It is....it is caught in Russian waters and sent to China for final processing. That means it is gutted, scaled, cut, preserved and packaged in China. Both countries get credit for their part in making the final product.

So if this fine alaskan fish contaminated in China is it still good Alaskan fish? NO!

It's not Alaskan fish in the sense of where it came from. It was caught in Russian waters. The name "Alaska pollock" refers to a species, not a location. It is found all over the Bering Sea, in both American and Russian waters.

Is it safe? It's the mostly widely used fish in fast-food restaurants: both McD's and Burger King use it. Offhand, I have not heard of any fish sandwich-related deaths or illnesses reported. But then again, fast food places get the stuff frozen and then fry it to death. So any bacteria is likely dead by the time they get done with it.