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Post by CarolinaKat on May 7, 2014 13:59:35 GMT -5
I switched from Aerospace engineering.... WAAAAAAY too cutthroat for me. I couldn't see spending 4-5 years with everyone trying to throw everyone else under the bus... ChemE was so much more collabrative (and social, and we LOVED to socalize )
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Post by sheilaincali on May 7, 2014 14:01:14 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I'll have him read this thread tonight from my laptop and see what questions he might have for you all. You all are awesome!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 14:06:35 GMT -5
My Dad is a chemical engineer, but I have zero advice about where to go to school since he graduated in the 60's.
He just retired last year, but he always seemed to enjoy his job and made good money. My almost 12 year old was always talking about chemical engineering like grandpa, but now he's on the aerospace kick.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 7, 2014 17:34:39 GMT -5
I met TD for lunch and asked him about German degreed chemical engineers. He said that he doesn't know of any, and if he wants to work in the US, it may mean that there are more hoops that he needs to jump through.
He also said that it was not necessary for him to be registered as a chemical engineer, but they do want it for other categories of engineers in his company. Doing so, with a Canadian degree (which is what TD has) provides a level of complication that doesn't make it worth it for him now, but it could make it more difficult in a company that requires it of new graduates.
So it almost sounds like you'd get the most flexibility out of a degree from a US university.
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Post by sheilaincali on May 8, 2014 10:22:05 GMT -5
Mich- Thanks for talking to TD about this. It looks like with this program at U of Winnipeg DS will graduate with two degrees. One from U of W and one from the University of Minnesota.
Will having two degrees look good on his resume?
I talked to DH and DS about this thread last night. DS hasn't had a chance to read it yet since they opted to go play 9 holes of disc golf and practice driving (DS hasn't taken his behind the wheel test yet). He was interested in reading this and will likely do so tonight.
I can't remember who mentioned adding some volunteer work to DS' resume but that's something that DH is going to look into this week. His employer will give him so many free hours off for volunteer work and my dad used to be on the Board of the local Habitat for Humanity. We'll call and see if the three of us can get on their list of volunteers.
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Post by CarolinaKat on May 8, 2014 10:27:52 GMT -5
Depends on what the two degrees are After working a few years, your work experience outweighs your education.
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Post by sheilaincali on May 8, 2014 10:35:32 GMT -5
According to the University of Winnipeg website:
If you complete the Engineering dual degree, you will have earned two degrees: a Bachelor of Science from The University of Winnipeg and a Bachelor of Engineering from the University of Minnesota. At this stage, you can apply to have your 3-year science degree upgraded to a 4-year degree, subject to approval by the appropriate department based on transfer credits being granted for courses taken in Minnesota.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 10:42:21 GMT -5
I guess I'm a little confused. Does the program just take 3 years? And, if you are awarded a BS in Engineering from U of M as well, then what is the "upgrading to a 4 year degree"? Or does Canada have different levels, 3 and 4 year?
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Post by sheilaincali on May 8, 2014 11:13:03 GMT -5
MPL- It's a 5 year program. First three years at University of Winnipeg and final two years at University of Minnesota. I get the impression it's a 3 year degree from U of W and a regular bachelor's degree from U of MN. You can upgrade the 3 year Canadian to a regular 4 year via some paperwork and possibly some extra classes at U or MN.
From what other's have said a 5 year program isn't that far out of the norm for Engineering. The reason we looked at it in the first place was it seemed like an interesting option for DS (give him a bit of an "International" vibe to his college experience) and the Canadian portion is cheaper than most of the US options (even the local University). He's got time to change his mind and is still open to other options.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 11:17:05 GMT -5
That's interesting on the reciprocity. I did not know that. I told DS he could pick from anywhere in MN the Dakotas or Wisconsin, but I guess I can add Canada to the list. We're probably going to be state grant eligible though, and would lose that for any of the reciprocity states.
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Post by sheilaincali on May 8, 2014 11:32:25 GMT -5
I don't know how we stumbled on the whole Canada thing for him University wise, but he is pretty intrigued about the whole thing.
My only requests were- affordable so he wasn't buried with student loans and distance.
Distance= far enough away that he'd have to live in the dorms (or off campus) but close enough that he could drive home to visit me for holidays and the occasional weekend.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 8, 2014 11:38:54 GMT -5
MPL- It's a 5 year program. First three years at University of Winnipeg and final two years at University of Minnesota. I get the impression it's a 3 year degree from U of W and a regular bachelor's degree from U of MN. You can upgrade the 3 year Canadian to a regular 4 year via some paperwork and possibly some extra classes at U or MN.
From what other's have said a 5 year program isn't that far out of the norm for Engineering. The reason we looked at it in the first place was it seemed like an interesting option for DS (give him a bit of an "International" vibe to his college experience) and the Canadian portion is cheaper than most of the US options (even the local University). He's got time to change his mind and is still open to other options. The Engineering program at UBC is also 5 years, as many of them in the US as well. I remember that when I was in college, they had a joint program with another university, where the time of the total program was 5 years. One thing that you might want to consider when you are looking at price though.....living expenses in Canada are higher than those in the US. What you may save in tuition, you may wind up paying in room and board....and gas. I'm not sure about Winnipeg, but I do know that other areas of Canada are considerably more expensive than in the US. When we go over the border and look at the grocery prices, I'm utterly amazed at the prices and it explains why so many Canadians come down across the border to buy massive amounts of groceries at Costco.
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Post by CarolinaKat on May 8, 2014 11:40:54 GMT -5
My program most students did in 5 years, so a 5 year program isn't that out of the ordinary (I know a few good engineers that took 6). I graduated in 4, I came in with A LOT of transfer credit (at any other state university i'd have had sophmore standing but the one I went to had stricter requirements) and I took lots of classes my first 2 years (i needed a waver for some semesters) so i'd be able to take fewer as the engineering courses got more intense and not have to take an extra year.
Also in my program if you failed any oure course you were screwed on getting out in 4 years. They were all paired and getting off-cycle pretty much meant go get a BS in Chemistry to tide you over until the class you need is up again.
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Post by sheilaincali on May 8, 2014 11:54:03 GMT -5
Mich- That is definitely something to consider. At first glance the dorm option doesn't seem to be much more expensive than average in MN but that is something to look into.
Honestly I'm hoping his grades/scores land him in scholarship range. We are planning on making the trip up to visit the U of Winnipeg later this summer and try to hit a few more schools during his junior year and summer before his senior year.
I'm really excited for him to be at this stage of his life. Looking to enjoy the heck out of this empty nest thing we are looking forward to.
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Post by tskeeter on May 8, 2014 12:19:38 GMT -5
Shelia, my FIL was a ChE. With a JD. He did intelectual property work for that multinational food company with the campus at 169 and 394. The ChE's without JD's work at the technical center. There is a lot of chemistry in food manufacturing, as well as other types of engineering. I worked with lots of engineers, EE's, ME's, ChE's, packaging engineers, and even quite a few IE's, when I worked in the food business.
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Post by chiver78 on May 8, 2014 12:41:42 GMT -5
my BS is a 5-yr degree as well. Our school built almost 2 full years of co-op work experience into the curriculum, and our calendar was year round. it switched from pretty even "quarters" to semesters with two seriously condensed summer terms the year after I graduated. I'm not sure how much that has impacted the program, but as far as I know it is still a 5-yr degree.
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Post by sheilaincali on May 8, 2014 12:54:34 GMT -5
Shelia, my FIL was a ChE. With a JD. He did intelectual property work for that multinational food company with the campus at 169 and 394. The ChE's without JD's work at the technical center. There is a lot of chemistry in food manufacturing, as well as other types of engineering. I worked with lots of engineers, EE's, ME's, ChE's, packaging engineers, and even quite a few IE's, when I worked in the food business. Forgive my ignorance but what's a "JD"?
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Post by 973beachbum on May 8, 2014 13:27:48 GMT -5
Shelia, my FIL was a ChE. With a JD. He did intelectual property work for that multinational food company with the campus at 169 and 394. The ChE's without JD's work at the technical center. There is a lot of chemistry in food manufacturing, as well as other types of engineering. I worked with lots of engineers, EE's, ME's, ChE's, packaging engineers, and even quite a few IE's, when I worked in the food business. Forgive my ignorance but what's a "JD"?
A law degree.
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Post by sheilaincali on May 8, 2014 13:32:03 GMT -5
Interesting. That's what I thought but I wondered about the combination of a law degree and a Chemical Engineering Degree. I just figured it must be something to do with Engineering.
That is something to consider. DS has really enjoyed the appeals cases he tried for Youth In Government the past couple of years. I'll have to run that idea by him and see what he thinks.
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Post by yogiii on May 8, 2014 13:36:14 GMT -5
A lot of patent lawyers have engineering degrees. Often the firms will pay for the law degree because they want someone who understands the technical stuff.
If I was ambitious, I'd consider it.
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Post by yogiii on May 8, 2014 13:46:33 GMT -5
I should add I know of two people who left my employer to do just that in the past couple years. Both were late 20s so had 3-5 years of engineering experience when they left, and also both were female (not that it matters but I find that interesting).
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Post by tskeeter on May 8, 2014 13:49:35 GMT -5
Interesting. That's what I thought but I wondered about the combination of a law degree and a Chemical Engineering Degree. I just figured it must be something to do with Engineering.
That is something to consider. DS has really enjoyed the appeals cases he tried for Youth In Government the past couple of years. I'll have to run that idea by him and see what he thinks. Since FIL was a patent attorney and there is a lot of chemistry involved in food manufacturing and food processing, the ChE gave him the technical understanding to make sure that the right processes were protected under the patents. If you don't understand the chemistry, it is possible that you'd get the wrong information protected. This could leave your trade secrets, that make a product special, available to anyone who wants to use them. Kind of like Steve Jobs use of the mouse and the graphical user interface that were developed by Xerox to distinguish Apple PC's from those offered by IBM and other PC makers.
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Post by sheilaincali on May 8, 2014 13:51:35 GMT -5
Very Interesting. I hadn't even considered that side of things until you mentioned it. You all have definitely given him a lot to think about.
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