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Post by Tennesseer on May 6, 2014 12:01:28 GMT -5
Stacey Campfield, Tenn. state senator, likens ObamaCare to Holocaust
A state Senator's blog post likening the insurance requirement under President Obama's health care law to the forced deportation of Jews during the Holocaust drew swift condemnation Monday from leaders of both parties in Tennessee.
Republican Sen. Stacey Campfield of Knoxville wrote the comment in a post titled "Thought of the Day."
"Democrats bragging about the number of mandatory sign ups for Obamacare is like Germans bragging about the number of manditory sign ups for 'train rides' for Jews in the 40s," he wrote.
State Republican Party Chairman Chris Devaney called the comment "ignorant and repugnant," and called for an immediate apology to the Jewish community. Democratic Party Chairman Roy Herron called the statement "outrageous, pathetic, and hateful."
Campfield in a phone interview shrugged off the criticism, and said he stands by his comments.
"I think Jewish people should be the first to stand up against Obamacare," Campfield said. "When you have government deciding who gets health insurance and who doesn't, what services they get and what services they have to provide, they're really deciding who lives and who dies."
"It's a slippery slope," he said.
Rest of article here: Stacey Campfield, Tenn. state senator, likens ObamaCare to Holocaust
The sad thing is, his constituents just may reelect this jerk.
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Post by EVT1 on May 6, 2014 15:17:55 GMT -5
Y- read about that. Was hoping no one heard- didn't want to bring more shame on our fine state 
One person had a good response something along the lines of maybe he should worry about how many fellow citizens are going to die because he and others are refusing the Medicaid expansion.
He's not to worried about those people.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 6, 2014 15:21:53 GMT -5
Y- read about that. Was hoping no one heard- didn't want to bring more shame on our fine state
One person had a good response something along the lines of maybe he should worry about how many fellow citizens are going to die because he and others are refusing the Medicaid expansion.
He's not to worried about those people.
I am starting to think he's the birth product of the mating between a man and a chimpanzee he talked about on a radio show last year. |
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Post by EVT1 on May 6, 2014 19:03:53 GMT -5
Did he do that too? Assume you mean the 'AIDS exists because someone had sex with a monkey' thing? Hate to see where we went with it after that.
I don't understand- TN is firmly in control of the right wing- so why does he need to act like such a dick? |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 19:24:22 GMT -5
As one of the "Mandatory sign ups" that they are "bragging about"... I think it's an apt analogy. If I'd had an option to NOT sign up without penalty... I wouldn't have. Just like many of those train passengers wouldn't have gotten on the trains if they'd had a choice.
Saying the numbers are good when people are forced into it under threat of (illegal and unconstitutional) penalty... What else would you compare it to?
Was the holocaust bad? Yes. It was. No argument there. But there's an old saying (paraphrased) "those that forget or fail to learn from the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat them in the future". Well here's a repeat of history. people being forced to do things that are against their interests because the majority believe (incorrectly) otherwise.
*for the record, My Obamacare Insurance is worthless (but I actually got the best one, on paper, for the subsidy I qualified for)... but it's a cost to the taxpayers to the tune of about $2,400 a year. Here's why it's worthless: It covers ONE doctor visit a year but NO testing (MRI, X-Rays, Blood work, Ultra-Sounds, et cetera), and because I am one of the "working poor" (whom the garbage law was supposed to help), the Doctor visit is useless to me because I can't afford the TESTS that would tell the Doctor what's wrong. Also, this awesome plan that I was forced to sign up for covers NOTHING (no ER, no prescriptions, NOTHING) until I meet a $4,200 deductible... and then it covers 80% up to total "out of pocket" of $6,250. Which would bankrupt me anyway.
In the bright side... as a male I am covered for all my mammograms and OB/GYN and Pregnancy needs with only a 20% co-pay. Pretty useful coverage for a MALE... huh?
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Post by EVT1 on May 6, 2014 20:13:30 GMT -5
FWIW my insurance is the same way- I found out after my doctor did blood work, ECG, chest Xray, etc during the physical- none of that was covered- except part of the blood test. Got a nice bill for that.
You won't get an argument from me that Obamacare is a solution to our problem.
But I think you are wrong about the prescriptions and ER visits, and also wrong about the tests- they should be covered if related to diagnosing a condition. My insurance is that way- won't pay for an Xray just to have a look- but will pay if you broke a bone- and it is a qualified plan. It covers one physical a year-free. Visits for conditions have a co-payment like the majority of policies.
Just saying look into it- especially how the deductibles work- none of this is easy to understand. You will not have to pay $4200 before getting services whether ER, office visit, or drugs. But they will cost you a % depending on your plan.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 6, 2014 20:26:58 GMT -5
As one of the "Mandatory sign ups" that they are "bragging about"... I think it's an apt analogy. If I'd had an option to NOT sign up without penalty... I wouldn't have. Just like many of those train passengers wouldn't have gotten on the trains if they'd had a choice. Saying the numbers are good when people are forced into it under threat of (illegal and unconstitutional) penalty... What else would you compare it to? SCOTUS says otherwise. You did not agree with SCOTUS's decision. I get it. I often do not agree with their decisions too. But I don't continue to claim it is still unconstitutional. That is futile. |
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Post by EVT1 on May 6, 2014 21:21:11 GMT -5
There was an interesting story the other day about the MA system and why people signed up- and I think that post is a perfect example.
They found that just advertising the benefits wasn't effective for the younger folks that did it- it was the penalty. It was the idea of paying money and getting nothing for it, evidently we prefer to spend a little extra to get something rather than throw money away.
Sure many will still hate they had to get a plan- UNLESS some serious bad shit happens to them- then they will be thanking God they had it.
Funny- SS, food stamps, Medicaid, unemployment, and other programs are constantly complained about too- that is until someone needs it. 'It will never happen to me' is pure hubris. The guy in the big house on the hill is tomorrow's welfare case- happens all of the time.
Crappy policy- maybe- might cost that 4 grand a year- how does that stack up against needing chemo with no insurance? No contest in a lot of the USA and in TN- we let those people die. Pretty much the only modern country that lets their citizens die and half the population doesn't give a shit. USA USA USA |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2014 21:23:38 GMT -5
There was an interesting story the other day about the MA system and why people signed up- and I think that post is a perfect example.
They found that just advertising the benefits wasn't effective for the younger folks that did it- it was the penalty. It was the idea of paying money and getting nothing for it, evidently we prefer to spend a little extra to get something rather than throw money away.
Sure many will still hate they had to get a plan- UNLESS some serious bad shit happens to them- then they will be thanking God they had it.
Funny- SS, food stamps, Medicaid, unemployment, and other programs are constantly complained about too- that is until someone needs it. 'It will never happen to me' is pure hubris. The guy in the big house on the hill is tomorrow's welfare case- happens all of the time.
Crappy policy- maybe- might cost that 4 grand a year- how does that stack up against needing chemo with no insurance? No contest in a lot of the USA and in TN- we let those people die. Pretty much the only modern country that lets their citizens die and half the population doesn't give a shit. USA USA USA Supply Side Jesus hates you. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2014 21:25:37 GMT -5
Also, this awesome plan that I was forced to sign up for covers NOTHING (no ER, no prescriptions, NOTHING) until I meet a $4,200 deductible... and then it covers 80% up to total "out of pocket" of $6,250. Which would bankrupt me anyway. really? you would go bankrupt because of a mere $5,500 expense? you are living on the edge, bro. it would take 100x that to tank me. |
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Post by EVT1 on May 6, 2014 21:53:54 GMT -5
Also, this awesome plan that I was forced to sign up for covers NOTHING (no ER, no prescriptions, NOTHING) until I meet a $4,200 deductible... and then it covers 80% up to total "out of pocket" of $6,250. Which would bankrupt me anyway. really? you would go bankrupt because of a mere $5,500 expense? you are living on the edge, bro. it would take 100x that to tank me. Now you are bragging- a 500K medical bill would bankrupt me. Of course I have health insurance with new legislation behind it so that isn't going to happen  One of the lesser known provisions- the end of annual caps- that and of course not being able to cancel you or otherwise jack you around when you are in the middle of a crisis. I'd like to see the day in this country where people do not have to plan their lives or jobs around health insurance. People claim we are so free- yet we are only as free as we are willing to risk our health and financial well being. Take the guns out of it and people have a lot more freedom in other countries- seems like a bad trade-off. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 21:55:23 GMT -5
As one of the "Mandatory sign ups" that they are "bragging about"... I think it's an apt analogy. If I'd had an option to NOT sign up without penalty... I wouldn't have. Just like many of those train passengers wouldn't have gotten on the trains if they'd had a choice. Saying the numbers are good when people are forced into it under threat of (illegal and unconstitutional) penalty... What else would you compare it to? SCOTUS says otherwise. You did not agree with SCOTUS's decision. I get it. I often do not agree with their decisions too. But I don't continue to claim it is still unconstitutional. That is futile. SCOTUS can say whatever they want. Obamacare's illegal fine is in direct violation of the Constitution. They called a fine a tax. I can call a rock a boat... that doesn't mean it (the "boat") will float. Something that (apparently) that SCOTUS is unaware of: > Fine: (noun) a sum of money imposed as a penalty for an offense or dereliction. > Tax: (noun) a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc. Please note the bolded in the first definition. If you DON'T buy insurance, there is a penalty. That's a fine no matter what they want to call it, and Congress doesn't legitimately and Constitutionally have the power to FINE (they also don't legitimately have the power to compel individual citizens to purchase goods or services... but that's a whole different argument). |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2014 21:58:46 GMT -5
SCOTUS says otherwise. You did not agree with SCOTUS's decision. I get it. I often do not agree with their decisions too. But I don't continue to claim it is still unconstitutional. That is futile. SCOTUS can say whatever they want. Obamacare's illegal fine is in direct violation of the Constitution. if you think the SCOTUS is the arbiter of that, that is self contradictory. apparently you don't. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 22:07:25 GMT -5
FWIW my insurance is the same way- I found out after my doctor did blood work, ECG, chest Xray, etc during the physical- none of that was covered- except part of the blood test. Got a nice bill for that. I double checked with BCBS after I got my paperwork and insurance cards because I noticed the "Copayments" area was completely blank. They said that was because I was 100% responsible up to the $4,200 cut off. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2014 22:10:14 GMT -5
really? you would go bankrupt because of a mere $5,500 expense? you are living on the edge, bro. it would take 100x that to tank me. Now you are bragging- a 500K medical bill would bankrupt me. yeah, i was kinda. may God forgive me.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 22:10:42 GMT -5
SCOTUS can say whatever they want. Obamacare's illegal fine is in direct violation of the Constitution. if you think the SCOTUS is the arbiter of that, that is self contradictory. apparently you don't. Never said they weren't the arbiter. I said they were wrong. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2014 22:12:05 GMT -5
if you think the SCOTUS is the arbiter of that, that is self contradictory. apparently you don't. Never said they weren't the arbiter. I said they were wrong. they've been wrong before. but until they correct it, they make the rules. i am not always happy about that fact. neither are you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 22:14:35 GMT -5
Also, this awesome plan that I was forced to sign up for covers NOTHING (no ER, no prescriptions, NOTHING) until I meet a $4,200 deductible... and then it covers 80% up to total "out of pocket" of $6,250. Which would bankrupt me anyway. really? you would go bankrupt because of a mere $5,500 expense? you are living on the edge, bro. it would take 100x that to tank me. Yes. Really. I'm one of those "lucky" check-to-check people. I make just enough to NOT qualify for Medicaid (Tenncare). Lucky me. I know I'm "living on the edge"... believe me, it's NOT by choice. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2014 22:15:50 GMT -5
really? you would go bankrupt because of a mere $5,500 expense? you are living on the edge, bro. it would take 100x that to tank me. Yes. Really. I'm one of those "lucky" check-to-check people. I make just enough to NOT qualify for Medicaid (Tenncare). Lucky me. I know I'm "living on the edge"... believe me, it's NOT by choice. (shudder). ok, sorry, Richard. you have my sympathies. i wish you nothing but the best. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 22:23:17 GMT -5
Actually... I do have a choice. I qualify (for several reasons) for disability... I could choose to go on Government support (according to my Social Security Status Check I recently did online... I'd actually make about $300 MORE a month on disability!), but due to being a man of honor I REFUSE to do that as long as I am physically capable of working (even if it pays just barely enough to live on).
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Post by djAdvocate on May 6, 2014 22:25:03 GMT -5
Actually... I do have a choice. I qualify (for several reasons) for disability... I could choose to go on Government support (according to my Social Security Status Check I recently did online... I'd actually make about $300 MORE a month on disability!), but due to being a man of honor I REFUSE to do that as long as I am physically capable of working (even if it pays just barely enough to live on). my family has always been the same way. we would only take assistance if we had no other alternative. commendable. |
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Post by EVT1 on May 6, 2014 23:16:58 GMT -5
FWIW my insurance is the same way- I found out after my doctor did blood work, ECG, chest Xray, etc during the physical- none of that was covered- except part of the blood test. Got a nice bill for that. I double checked with BCBS after I got my paperwork and insurance cards because I noticed the "Copayments" area was completely blank. They said that was because I was 100% responsible up to the $4,200 cut off. I have BCBS- so did you buy this plan off of the exchange or from some guy in an alley? Or worse did you buy it directly from an insurance company? The freaking law mandates in even the worst plan that you have coverage for office visits, ER visits, and prescriptions- and none require paying the annual deductible first- what would even be the point of that? So someone is full of shit here. I will take you on your word so you need to make a call because that is not how it works. You have been lied to. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 1:00:12 GMT -5
I got this garbage from the "exchange".
And it DOES "technically" cover office visits (one, included, free {but worthless because TESTS are not covered}) and ER (anything over $4,200 at 80%, 20% co-pay) and prescriptions (again, anything over $4,200 at 80%, 20% co-pay)... and they are still "annual deductible exempt" because the annual deductible is $6,250.
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Post by EVT1 on May 7, 2014 15:44:37 GMT -5
I got this garbage from the "exchange". And it DOES "technically" cover office visits (one, included, free {but worthless because TESTS are not covered}) and ER (anything over $4,200 at 80%, 20% co-pay) and prescriptions (again, anything over $4,200 at 80%, 20% co-pay)... and they are still "annual deductible exempt" because the annual deductible is $6,250. If that's how that plan works it sucks. I seem to remember something about the bronze level plans being a bad idea for lower income people- usually the wealthier people want the plans with high deductibles and lower premiums.
But this is what happens when healthcare reform leaves insurance companies in the system. This is the free-market solution to health care- aka the old GOP plan. Most of the country wants a universal system like Canada or France- or pretty much all of the other modern countries where people just go to the doctor and don't have to worry about freaking deductibles, copays, networks, and all of that other bullshit our system is mired in. Be quite a while before we get there.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 19:25:45 GMT -5
Agreed. It DOES suck. For all intents and purposes I'm just as uninsured and unable to see a Doctor as I was before I got "Obamacare-insured".
I just wish I could have saved taxpayers the $2,400 a year they are wasting on this garbage... If I'd had a choice I wouldn't have signed up. Unfortunately I couldn't afford the illegal fine either... so...
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