Justice for sale- child rape OK if you are rich

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The duponts own delaware

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And after all the (kill him right now) people get their way and there is barely a stain left from all the bullets that have struck his body that were aimed in anger by people unable to believe that a child can lie,  they come up with a new, more precise DNA test that proves he wasn't the perpetrator.  Where's the "it's better to let 100 guilty go free than convict 1 innocent"  people from the death row thread.   Pedophiles are no different than gays in the regards that it's not a choice they make.  It's what they are.  Why should they be singled out for cruel and unusual punishment in the prison yard.  Because you can't accept them ?

[Sum Dum Gai]

Gays have sex with other consenting adults. Pedophiles rape children. I have no problem whatsoever with the former and think we should eliminate the latter.

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Apr 18, 2014 13:14:51 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

And after all the kill him right now people get their way and there is barely a stain left from all the bullets that have struck his body that were aimed in anger by people unable to believe that a child can lie,  they come up with a new, more precise DNA test that proves he wasn't the perpetrator.  Where's the "it's better to let 100 guilty go free than convict 1 innocent"  people from the death row thread.   Pedophiles are no different than gays in the regards that it's not a choice they make.  It's what they are.  Why should they be singled out for cruel and unusual punishment in the prison yard.  Because you can't accept them ?

Do you realize how insulting it is to everyone to lump gay people and pedophiles together?  

ETA: And the biggest difference is two homosexual adults CONSENT to having relations together. What a pedophile does to a child is not by consent. 

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Apr 18, 2014 13:52:23 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

Apr 18, 2014 13:14:51 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

And after all the kill him right now people get their way and there is barely a stain left from all the bullets that have struck his body that were aimed in anger by people unable to believe that a child can lie,  they come up with a new, more precise DNA test that proves he wasn't the perpetrator.  Where's the "it's better to let 100 guilty go free than convict 1 innocent"  people from the death row thread.   Pedophiles are no different than gays in the regards that it's not a choice they make.  It's what they are.  Why should they be singled out for cruel and unusual punishment in the prison yard.  Because you can't accept them ?

Do you realize how insulting it is to everyone to lump gay people and pedophiles together?  

ETA: And the biggest difference is two homosexual adults CONSENT to having relations together. What a pedophile does to a child is not by consent. 

That wasn't my point.  Please re-read my post.  I abhor any sex crimes against anyone. 

[zibazinski]

Apr 17, 2014 9:46:17 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

His stepdaughter is royally messed up in the head thanks to her mom hiding it from DF so that he wouldn't know about ALL the dirt in her past so he'd marry her. So that poor girl had to keep it a secret for years thanks to her mother.

WTF? I wouldn't want to be married to a guy who couldn't "handle" knowing all of my baggage. That Mom is disgusting!


ETA: I read that wrong. I thought Mom told her DD not to tell the DD's fiancee about her past; not the Mom not telling her finacee (which is how I think it's supposed to be).  



Mom is reprehensible either way. 

No, DF didn't know. EX kept it from him and told her dd to keep quiet about it. I suppose if DF had had the sense GOD gave a goose, he might have checked into her past and saw what sperm donor was in jail for but EX kept it quiet until safely married and even then for years it was a secret until sperm donor went to jail for molesting other children and then it all came out. When DF went ballistic, EX claimed she got counseling for dd so everything was "okay" except it really isn't. I'm the one who asked DF WTH was wrong with his stepdaughter one night and he told me the truth. It made sense. She has zero self esteem and when you look into her eyes, if she even meets your eyes, she has no soul. No spirit, if you will. It's just not there.

[mmhmm]

Apr 18, 2014 14:11:07 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Apr 18, 2014 13:52:23 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

Do you realize how insulting it is to everyone to lump gay people and pedophiles together?  

ETA: And the biggest difference is two homosexual adults CONSENT to having relations together. What a pedophile does to a child is not by consent. 

That wasn't my point.  Please re-read my post.  I abhor any sex crimes against anyone. 

Being gay isn't a sex crime, or any other kind of crime.  Being gay and pedophilia have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

[mmhmm]

Apr 18, 2014 16:09:42 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Apr 17, 2014 9:46:17 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

WTF? I wouldn't want to be married to a guy who couldn't "handle" knowing all of my baggage. That Mom is disgusting!


ETA: I read that wrong. I thought Mom told her DD not to tell the DD's fiancee about her past; not the Mom not telling her finacee (which is how I think it's supposed to be).  



Mom is reprehensible either way. 

No, DF didn't know. EX kept it from him and told her dd to keep quiet about it. I suppose if DF had had the sense GOD gave a goose, he might have checked into her past and saw what sperm donor was in jail for but EX kept it quiet until safely married and even then for years it was a secret until sperm donor went to jail for molesting other children and then it all came out. When DF went ballistic, EX claimed she got counseling for dd so everything was "okay" except it really isn't. I'm the one who asked DF WTH was wrong with his stepdaughter one night and he told me the truth. It made sense. She has zero self esteem and when you look into her eyes, if she even meets your eyes, she has no soul. No spirit, if you will. It's just not there.

She has a soul, zib.  That soul just needs to be re-educated to learn all people aren't hateful and frightening, and that she's lovable and worthy.  Sometimes, it's really difficult to overcome the kind of damage that was done to this girl, but it can be done with commitment and care.  It just seems like a thankless effort for, often, a long time and people get frustrated and feel they're not getting anywhere, so they quit trying.  It's understandable, but sad.

[zibazinski]

She'd have to want help and her husband and even her children would sabotage her getting it. They like her downtrodden.

[mmhmm]

Apr 18, 2014 16:15:25 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

She'd have to want help and her husband and even her children would sabotage her getting it. They like her downtrodden.

I'm sure she does want help, zib, but doesn't know how to request, or accept it.  It's sad her family doesn't realize, or care, the damage being done to everyone concerned.

[zibazinski]

I know. DF is aware but must tread carefully. When we thought her husband wasnt coming back, or at least we hoped he wasn't, he was going to make counseling a part of his financial help to her. But the turd came back. 

[EVT1]

Apr 18, 2014 13:14:51 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

And after all the (kill him right now) people get their way and there is barely a stain left from all the bullets that have struck his body that were aimed in anger by people unable to believe that a child can lie,  they come up with a new, more precise DNA test that proves he wasn't the perpetrator.  Where's the "it's better to let 100 guilty go free than convict 1 innocent"  people from the death row thread.   Pedophiles are no different than gays in the regards that it's not a choice they make.  It's what they are.  Why should they be singled out for cruel and unusual punishment in the prison yard.  Because you can't accept them ?

Children do lie- and have lied about sexual abuse.  So another reason we should not execute people no matter what they were convicted of.

And I find your gay comment repulsive- although you may not have meant it that way- there has been in the past people that equate being gay to being a pedophile.

These are the homophobes that assume a gay scoutmaster is going to go after the boys- as if gay men are any more attracted to kids then heterosexual men are.  The same folks that have no problem with the girls' softball coach being a man- because a heterosexual man would never be attracted to young girls.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Apr 18, 2014 13:14:51 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

And after all the (kill him right now) people get their way and there is barely a stain left from all the bullets that have struck his body that were aimed in anger by people unable to believe that a child can lie,  they come up with a new, more precise DNA test that proves he wasn't the perpetrator.  Where's the "it's better to let 100 guilty go free than convict 1 innocent"  people from the death row thread.   Pedophiles are no different than gays in the regards that it's not a choice they make.  It's what they are.  Why should they be singled out for cruel and unusual punishment in the prison yard.  Because you can't accept them ?

From what I've read, the children he raped were 3 years old and 19 months old.  There's no way they could consent to a sexual relationship.  None.  This came to light when the little girl, at age 4, told someone she wanted Daddy to stop touching her.  In questioning him, he confessed to raping his 19 month old son also.  I see no reason to protect someone who's been found guilty by the court system of raping young children. 

And I'm not really worrying about the teenagers at this point.  It's the little ones. 

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Apr 18, 2014 16:10:44 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Apr 18, 2014 14:11:07 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

That wasn't my point.  Please re-read my post.  I abhor any sex crimes against anyone. 

Being gay isn't a sex crime, or any other kind of crime.  Being gay and pedophilia have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

Really ? Please read my post again, that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 23, 2014 9:56:42 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Apr 18, 2014 16:10:44 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Being gay isn't a sex crime, or any other kind of crime.  Being gay and pedophilia have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

Really ? Please read my post again, that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

Pedophiles are no different than gays in the regards that it's not a choice they make.

Pedophiles have the choice to not act upon or commit crimes against children.  It is not a choice homosexuals or heterosexuals.

Pedophilia is a crime of choice.  Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not crimes nor  choices.

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Apr 18, 2014 21:34:59 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Apr 18, 2014 13:14:51 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

And after all the (kill him right now) people get their way and there is barely a stain left from all the bullets that have struck his body that were aimed in anger by people unable to believe that a child can lie,  they come up with a new, more precise DNA test that proves he wasn't the perpetrator.  Where's the "it's better to let 100 guilty go free than convict 1 innocent"  people from the death row thread.   Pedophiles are no different than gays in the regards that it's not a choice they make.  It's what they are.  Why should they be singled out for cruel and unusual punishment in the prison yard.  Because you can't accept them ?

Children do lie- and have lied about sexual abuse.  So another reason we should not execute people no matter what they were convicted of.

And I find your gay comment repulsive- although you may not have meant it that way- there has been in the past people that equate being gay to being a pedophile.

These are the homophobes that assume a gay scoutmaster is going to go after the boys- as if gay men are any more attracted to kids then heterosexual men are.  The same folks that have no problem with the girls' softball coach being a man- because a heterosexual man would never be attracted to young girls.

I do not equate gays to being pedophiles. Thanks for at least considering that's not what I meant.

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Apr 21, 2014 8:08:08 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Apr 18, 2014 13:14:51 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

And after all the (kill him right now) people get their way and there is barely a stain left from all the bullets that have struck his body that were aimed in anger by people unable to believe that a child can lie,  they come up with a new, more precise DNA test that proves he wasn't the perpetrator.  Where's the "it's better to let 100 guilty go free than convict 1 innocent"  people from the death row thread.   Pedophiles are no different than gays in the regards that it's not a choice they make.  It's what they are.  Why should they be singled out for cruel and unusual punishment in the prison yard.  Because you can't accept them ?

From what I've read, the children he raped were 3 years old and 19 months old.  There's no way they could consent to a sexual relationship.  None.  This came to light when the little girl, at age 4, told someone she wanted Daddy to stop touching her.  In questioning him, he confessed to raping his 19 month old son also.  I see no reason to protect someone who's been found guilty by the court system of raping young children. 

And I'm not really worrying about the teenagers at this point.  It's the little ones. 

I also see no need to protect any one from their assigned by law punishment.

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Apr 23, 2014 10:06:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 23, 2014 9:56:42 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Really ? Please read my post again, that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

Pedophiles are no different than gays in the regards that it's not a choice they make.

Pedophiles have the choice to not act upon or commit crimes against children.  It is not a choice homosexuals or heterosexuals.

Pedophilia is a crime of choice.  Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not crimes nor  choices.

I was talking about the internal "drive" that makes these sick people want to have a sexual encounter with little children. Not the fact that they choose to act on it or not. Hetero's or Homo's can also choose not to act on their mis-aligned sex drive.

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"mis-aligned"? 

[Tennesseer]

Apr 23, 2014 10:52:48 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

"mis-aligned"? 

[Tennesseer]

Apr 23, 2014 10:49:02 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Apr 23, 2014 10:06:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Pedophiles have the choice to not act upon or commit crimes against children.  It is not a choice homosexuals or heterosexuals.

Pedophilia is a crime of choice.  Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not crimes nor  choices.

I was talking about the internal "drive" that makes these sick people want to have a sexual encounter with little children. Not the fact that they choose to act on it or not. Hetero's or Homo's can also choose not to act on their mis-aligned sex drive.

mis-aligned sex drive, as in...?

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Apr 23, 2014 10:56:29 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 23, 2014 10:49:02 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I was talking about the internal "drive" that makes these sick people want to have a sexual encounter with little children. Not the fact that they choose to act on it or not. Hetero's or Homo's can also choose not to act on their mis-aligned sex drive.

mis-aligned sex drive, as in...?

The biological dead end called homosexuality.  It doesn't just happen in humans.  You should see what happens occasionally in our chicken yard because we have all hens and no roosters.  The DW and I call it weird chicken sex.  It's not wrong because it's also love and seems to attract a positive response from certain humans.

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If you believe your posts do not have a homophobic undertones I suppose I will never understand what you're trying to say @jma23.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 23, 2014 11:08:35 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Apr 23, 2014 10:56:29 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

mis-aligned sex drive, as in...?

The biological dead end called homosexuality.  It doesn't just happen in humans.  You should see what happens occasionally in our chicken yard because we have all hens and no roosters.  The DW and I call it weird chicken sex.  It's not wrong because it's also love and seems to attract a positive response from certain humans.

Is that a bad thing? 

I am not too sure what you mean about weird chicken sex attracting positive responses from certain humans.  Do hens give certain humans a 'come hither' look?

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Apr 23, 2014 11:14:25 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

If you believe your posts do not have a homophobic undertones I suppose I will never understand what you're trying to say @jma23.

I'm not a homophobe. Apologies if it comes across that way sometimes.

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You are who you are, no apology necessary.  

[mmhmm]

Apr 23, 2014 11:20:29 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 23, 2014 11:08:35 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

The biological dead end called homosexuality.  It doesn't just happen in humans.  You should see what happens occasionally in our chicken yard because we have all hens and no roosters.  The DW and I call it weird chicken sex.  It's not wrong because it's also love and seems to attract a positive response from certain humans.

Is that a bad thing? 

I am not too sure what you mean about weird chicken sex attracting positive responses from certain humans.  Do hens give certain humans a 'come hither' look?

ROFL!  This had me positively cackling!

Sexuality is biological.  It's not inevitably linked to love and I don't see it as "wrong" whether love is present, or not.  It's a simple, biological urge that's targeted more though cultural acceptance and morés than by anything else.  All of us are capable of having sex with either gender. Some choose the same gender, others choose the opposite gender, and others are not particular with which gender they indulge.  Who's going to say one is "wrong" while another is "right"?  By what measurement?

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Apr 23, 2014 11:20:29 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 23, 2014 11:08:35 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

The biological dead end called homosexuality.  It doesn't just happen in humans.  You should see what happens occasionally in our chicken yard because we have all hens and no roosters.  The DW and I call it weird chicken sex.  It's not wrong because it's also love and seems to attract a positive response from certain humans.

Is that a bad thing? 

I am not too sure what you mean about weird chicken sex attracting positive responses from certain humans.  Do hens give certain humans a 'come hither' look?

No it's not a bad thing, to me anyway. There is a lot of social construct around it it defining it as good or bad when it's neither. It just a present condition. ( I don't know what a chicken come on looks like, but they better not make it look like an I taste good come on. I've got an oven and I'm not afraid to use it.)

[mmhmm]

Apr 23, 2014 11:35:40 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Apr 23, 2014 11:20:29 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Is that a bad thing? 

I am not too sure what you mean about weird chicken sex attracting positive responses from certain humans.  Do hens give certain humans a 'come hither' look?

No it's not a bad thing, to me anyway. There is a lot of social construct around it it defining it as good or bad when it's neither. It just a present condition. ( I don't know what a chicken come on looks like, but they better not make it look like an I taste good come on. I've got an oven and I'm not afraid to use it.)

You ever been chased down and pecked by a bunch of chickens?

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Apr 23, 2014 11:35:32 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Apr 23, 2014 11:20:29 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Is that a bad thing? 

I am not too sure what you mean about weird chicken sex attracting positive responses from certain humans.  Do hens give certain humans a 'come hither' look?

ROFL!  This had me positively cackling!

Sexuality is biological.  It's not inevitably linked to love and I don't see it as "wrong" whether love is present, or not.  It's a simple, biological urge that's targeted more though cultural acceptance and morés than by anything else.  All of us are capable of having sex with either gender. Some choose the same gender, others choose the opposite gender, and others are not particular with which gender they indulge.  Who's going to say one is "wrong" while another is "right"?  By what measurement?

Some would tend to measure by the number of Hetero's vs Homo's and use that bigger hetero number in a democratic society to get the votes to restrict the Homo's equal measure in law. Kind of like the DW and I paying school taxes our whole life and never having any kids. No outrage there, we don't have the numbers to change it. Democratic tyranny for both.