Justice for sale- child rape OK if you are rich

[EVT1]

www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/

     Though Robert H. Richards IV was convicted of rape, the wealthy heir to the du Pont family fortune was spared prison by a Delaware court in 2009 because he would "not fare well" behind bars, according to court documents CNN obtained Tuesday.

     He received an eight-year prison sentence in 2009 for raping his toddler daughter, but the sentencing order signed by a Delaware judge said "defendant will not fare well" in prison and the eight years were suspended.

     Richards was placed on eight years' probation and ordered to get treatment and register as a sex offender, the documents show. He was also prohibited from having contact with children under 16, including his own children.

Wouldn't do to well behind bars huh- well OK then.......And didn't even get mansion arrest like the other wealthy criminals do- must have a great lawyer- no other explanation

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

was spared prison by a Delaware court in 2009 because he would "not fare well

No duh, even other criminals don't like child rapists. Maybe he should have thought of that before he raped a child.

[Sum Dum Gai]

Fucking judges.  They're almost worse than lawyers these days.

[busymom]

Oh, throw him in with the general population.  Why should he be spared? He had no mercy on his daughter.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Apr 16, 2014 15:42:07 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

was spared prison by a Delaware court in 2009 because he would "not fare well

No duh, even other criminals don't like child rapists. Maybe he should have thought of that before he raped a child.

If I'm recalling correctly, she was 3.  It came out when she was 4ish because she told someone she didn't want Daddy touching her anymore. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I vote tattoo "child rapist" on his forehead, throw him in the yard and then look the other way. The inmates will take care of things.

[zibazinski]

This wasnt in Florida?

[Artemis Windsong]

In the town I grew up in, one of the worst child molesters was one of the most prominent people.  He would ruin anyone trying to stop or go against him.

Something happened in my early 20s and the guy with family left town.  I didn't get the newspaper and didn't have a lot of social info.  He moved to a larger, more anonymous place to practice his destroying.

The azhat had zero remorse, regret or bad conscious.  Unfortunately, he's still alive.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Dumb judge.

He should have been imprisoned in the general population. It doesn't take long for a person's charges to become "public knowledge" among other inmates...

and most of those inmates are adamantly against anyone who'd abuse a child in any way - and they deal their own brand of justice to the perp - especially if it's sexual abuse or rape.

He should have had to do his time behind bars and risk becoming some hardened inmate's "bitch".

[Jaguar]

Geez whiz crap.

[jkapp]

Apr 16, 2014 15:40:33 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/

     Though Robert H. Richards IV was convicted of rape, the wealthy heir to the du Pont family fortune was spared prison by a Delaware court in 2009 because he would "not fare well" behind bars, according to court documents CNN obtained Tuesday.

     He received an eight-year prison sentence in 2009 for raping his toddler daughter, but the sentencing order signed by a Delaware judge said "defendant will not fare well" in prison and the eight years were suspended.

     Richards was placed on eight years' probation and ordered to get treatment and register as a sex offender, the documents show. He was also prohibited from having contact with children under 16, including his own children.

Wouldn't do to well behind bars huh- well OK then.......And didn't even get mansion arrest like the other wealthy criminals do- must have a great lawyer- no other explanation

Well, yeah, Michael Jackson proved that money gets you out of all kinds of things.

But did you want jail for this guy out of punishment or reform?  It sounds like he was ordered to get reform, and he's not allowed contact with children...

[Sum Dum Gai]

But did you want jail for this guy out of punishment or reform? It sounds like he was ordered to get reform, and he's not allowed contact with children...

So, If I murder somebody, can I get away with some therapy and limited contact with other people?  That's justice right?  Maybe house arrest and a hand written apology letter?

Prison is more about punishment than reform.  You do the crime, you do the time.  We don't think of it as spending years getting therapy, learning job skills, and learning to make smarter choices.  You lose years of your life living in a tiny little box as punishment for what you did.  There's a small amount of therapy, coping skills, rehab, and what have you, but mostly it's rotting away in a cell as punishment for your crimes.  I'd personally be fine with child molesters being shot in the head in the town square.  I see no distinction between child molesters from wealthy families and child molesters in the ghetto.  They're all wastes of human skin that I'd be fine with putting down.  Society doesn't want to do that, which is fine, but at the very least they can do their time.

The fact that most states have minimum sentencing for using recreational drugs, but apparently don't have any minimum sentence whatsoever for people who rape children is just fucking sick.

[EVT1]

But drugs are bad m'kay.

So far this year I have learned it is ok to drunkenly mow down and kill numerous people and avoid jail, rape a toddler and avoid jail, launder drug money and avoid jail, if you are wealthy.

That's exactly the point- jail is full of minor drug offenders serving time- while a rapist and a killer got probation because they were in a wealthy family. 

Want to read Taibbi's new book that talks about this but I don't know if I am prepared to be that pissed off.

[EVT1]

Apr 16, 2014 19:15:00 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Apr 16, 2014 15:40:33 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/

     Though Robert H. Richards IV was convicted of rape, the wealthy heir to the du Pont family fortune was spared prison by a Delaware court in 2009 because he would "not fare well" behind bars, according to court documents CNN obtained Tuesday.

     He received an eight-year prison sentence in 2009 for raping his toddler daughter, but the sentencing order signed by a Delaware judge said "defendant will not fare well" in prison and the eight years were suspended.

     Richards was placed on eight years' probation and ordered to get treatment and register as a sex offender, the documents show. He was also prohibited from having contact with children under 16, including his own children.

Wouldn't do to well behind bars huh- well OK then.......And didn't even get mansion arrest like the other wealthy criminals do- must have a great lawyer- no other explanation

Well, yeah, Michael Jackson proved that money gets you out of all kinds of things.

But did you want jail for this guy out of punishment or reform?  It sounds like he was ordered to get reform, and he's not allowed contact with children...

That's a valid point if you are referring back to the other thread about the reformed robber facing an old sentence- but I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between a stick up where no one was injured versus when people have been killed or raped. And of course that guy IS in jail right now. The rapist and the drunken murderer are not.

I prefer reform yet there has to be a penalty for a crime- nowhere did I say let the other guy walk- I said look at the circumstances and make a decision. 

As far as Jackson- I don't know- he was not found guilty like this other creep- did he rape?  I don't know- creepy as hell- for sure.  Should have went with OJ- that's a murderer that got away with it.  Just like Robert Blake- celebrity shield.

Would point out there were pleny of folks- a solid majority that disagreed with me on the FL case of statutory rape between the senior and the freshman- that were ready to send her away for 10 years as a felon and sex offender- so how about her?  Not a thought about reform for her.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

As far as Jackson- I don't know- he was not found guilty

MJ was "not found guilty" because he had the %$$ to buy-off those who were "in the system."

He's now deceased, but the evidence that's come to light before and since his passing is pretty clear as to what he was doing/involved in.

He was not an innocent - the facts are out there.

[EVT1]

I am not claiming him as innocent.  Never have.

[jkapp]

Apr 17, 2014 0:22:03 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Apr 16, 2014 19:15:00 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Well, yeah, Michael Jackson proved that money gets you out of all kinds of things.

But did you want jail for this guy out of punishment or reform?  It sounds like he was ordered to get reform, and he's not allowed contact with children...

That's a valid point if you are referring back to the other thread about the reformed robber facing an old sentence- but I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between a stick up where no one was injured versus when people have been killed or raped. And of course that guy IS in jail right now. The rapist and the drunken murderer are not.

I prefer reform yet there has to be a penalty for a crime- nowhere did I say let the other guy walk- I said look at the circumstances and make a decision. 

As far as Jackson- I don't know- he was not found guilty like this other creep- did he rape?  I don't know- creepy as hell- for sure.  Should have went with OJ- that's a murderer that got away with it.  Just like Robert Blake- celebrity shield.

Would point out there were pleny of folks- a solid majority that disagreed with me on the FL case of statutory rape between the senior and the freshman- that were ready to send her away for 10 years as a felon and sex offender- so how about her?  Not a thought about reform for her.

I'm not familiar with the senior/freshman dilemma, but I've heard similar stories about that type of issue. Personally, if the two people involved are in the same building for 8 hours a day, it's rather foolish to say they aren't allowed to have a relationship. My mom is three years older than my dad...if they had met in High School (and maybe they did as far as I know) would my mom have been arrested? They've been married for almost 50 years, so to say that there was any statutory rape involved back then would be ridiculous...it was obviously love (or at least shared desperation ).

[Wisconsin Beth]

The Du pont heir is supsected of molesting his son, starting when he was 19 months old.  And there's some kind of legal fight going on between him and the ex wife. 

And I'm good with shooting child molesters in the head in the town square. 

[wvugurl26]

Apparently the reform didn't work as he went on to abuse his son. I have no use for such a waste of DNA. The government would save a lot of money if he was thrown into general population. Even murderers have a problem with those who injure and abuse children.

[Wisconsin Beth]

I'd rather just shoot child molesters and be done with it. 

[Wisconsin Beth]

Apr 17, 2014 8:25:20 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I'm good with shooting them in the head in the town square too. 

Which is why I'm glad it's not up to me, because somewhere I know that's not right either.

However this is a gross miscarraige of justice.  He should be in with the GP.  And I'm tempted to say they should be castrated/ neutered as well.

See, I'm ok with shooting them in the head but I have issues with using other incarcerated people to perform justice.  We do it openly or not at all in my opinion. 

[wvugurl26]

Personally I don't think someone like this is worth the extra money and effort to keep him segregated and protected from the general population. If it so happens that someone abuses him like he abused those poor children well karma is a beyotch. And since not every state has the death penalty sometimes that is the best you can hope for. Unless we can ship all child molesters to Texas for execution.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Apr 17, 2014 8:48:37 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Apr 17, 2014 8:28:03 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

See, I'm ok with shooting them in the head but I have issues with using other incarcerated people to perform justice.  We do it openly or not at all in my opinion. 

OK, see I can't disagree with that, certainly not the highlited part.  Sometimes it's just a lot easier to be of the lynchmob mentality.

But as a society we have to do better than that.  Which is also why the SOB should not have walked.  That leads society to clammor right back for mob justice, or the code of the prison yard. 

No argument on that.  Just look at this thread.  I'm usually a mild, law abiding citizen and I assume the rest of us here usually are too.  And we're talking about letting the mob in prison deal with him. 

[wvugurl26]

Apr 17, 2014 9:20:19 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Apr 17, 2014 8:48:37 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

OK, see I can't disagree with that, certainly not the highlited part.  Sometimes it's just a lot easier to be of the lynchmob mentality.

But as a society we have to do better than that.  Which is also why the SOB should not have walked.  That leads society to clammor right back for mob justice, or the code of the prison yard. 

No argument on that.  Just look at this thread.  I'm usually a mild, law abiding citizen and I assume the rest of us here usually are too.  And we're talking about letting the mob in prison deal with him. 

I completely understand your point of view. However, realistically today what do you do in states that don't have the death penalty? Something about paying tons of money to keep them in isolation for years rubs me the wrong way. I just don't think there is any hope of rehabilitating child molesters.

[zibazinski]

Child molesters will tell you that themselves. But we "civilized" people don't want to listen to them. DFs stepdaughter was molested by her father. He went to jail for molesting other kids, gets out, marries or at least "fathers" some more victims. WTH?! His stepdaughter is royally messed up in the head thanks to her mom hiding it from DF so that he wouldn't know about ALL the dirt in her past so he'd marry her. So that poor girl had to keep it a secret for years thanks to her mother.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Something about paying tons of money to keep them in isolation for years rubs me the wrong way



Other criminals have to take their chances with the general population. Why are child molesters singled out?. You do the crime, you take your chances like everyone else.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Apr 17, 2014 9:24:56 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

Apr 17, 2014 9:20:19 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

No argument on that.  Just look at this thread.  I'm usually a mild, law abiding citizen and I assume the rest of us here usually are too.  And we're talking about letting the mob in prison deal with him. 

I completely understand your point of view. However, realistically today what do you do in states that don't have the death penalty? Something about paying tons of money to keep them in isolation for years rubs me the wrong way. I just don't think there is any hope of rehabilitating child molesters.

I'm good with a federal law to address this.  Convicted child molesters should be shot.  And if a state doesn't want to do it, they can send them to Texas (or wherever) and have them do it.  Charge $5K a head fee for states exporting them. 

[wvugurl26]

Apr 17, 2014 9:36:30 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Apr 17, 2014 9:24:56 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

I completely understand your point of view. However, realistically today what do you do in states that don't have the death penalty? Something about paying tons of money to keep them in isolation for years rubs me the wrong way. I just don't think there is any hope of rehabilitating child molesters.

I'm good with a federal law to address this.  Convicted child molesters should be shot.  And if a state doesn't want to do it, they can send them to Texas (or wherever) and have them do it.  Charge $5K a head fee for states exporting them. 

That could work. Federal law does permit the death penalty. Texas would probably do it at cost and consider it a public service to the country.

I think we get hung up on the idea that everyone has value and can be reformed. It's not true.

[Deleted]

His stepdaughter is royally messed up in the head thanks to her mom hiding it from DF so that he wouldn't know about ALL the dirt in her past so he'd marry her. So that poor girl had to keep it a secret for years thanks to her mother.

WTF? I wouldn't want to be married to a guy who couldn't "handle" knowing all of my baggage. That Mom is disgusting!


ETA: I read that wrong. I thought Mom told her DD not to tell the DD's fiancee about her past; not the Mom not telling her finacee (which is how I think it's supposed to be).  



Mom is reprehensible either way. 

[mmhmm]

Proven pedophile.  Proven child-abuser.  I have no problem.  I'll shoot the SOB for the state, and I'll do it for free.  I'll happily become the Avenger of Raped Children and take out every pedophile that shows his/her ugly head!  I'm with Beth on this.