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Post by sesfw on Apr 14, 2014 16:30:56 GMT -5
they say the encounter ended without incident.
I give thanks for this ........ and I hope the sailors smiled and waved while pictures were taken. Maybe some sky-jockey was out to have fun.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Apr 14, 2014 16:36:05 GMT -5
Haven't you heard, kent? It's all the US's fault! The world is filled with rainbows and puppies and the big, bad, mean US and the people that run the "shadow government" are the reason for everything that is bad and or wrong in this world..  Good find kent! Totally missed this one. Putin says  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 14, 2014 19:31:46 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 14, 2014 19:38:41 GMT -5
Haven't you heard, kent? It's all the US's fault! The world is filled with rainbows and puppies (and your rubbish) and the big, bad, mean US and the people that run the "shadow government" are the reason for everything that is bad and or wrong in this world.. i never claimed that, Aham. my claim is that the CIA is out of control. don't exaggerate.
the US does plenty of good in the world, and plenty of evil as well. it is not terribly different than many other nations in that respect. i am not willfully ignorant of any of those facts. are you?
Good find kent! Totally missed this one. Putin says Putin is a royal ass. meanwhile, Guiliani praises his "decisiveness", and Bush can see "into his soul". seems like it is not just "the left" that can't wait for Putin to take over. |
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Apr 14, 2014 20:28:57 GMT -5
Haven't you heard, kent? It's all the US's fault! The world is filled with rainbows and puppies (and your rubbish) and the big, bad, mean US and the people that run the "shadow government" are the reason for everything that is bad and or wrong in this world.. i never claimed that, Aham. my claim is that the CIA is out of control. don't exaggerate.
the US does plenty of good in the world, and plenty of evil as well. it is not terribly different than many other nations in that respect. i am not willfully ignorant of any of those facts. are you?
Good find kent! Totally missed this one. Putin says Putin is a royal ass. meanwhile, Guiliani praises his "decisiveness", and Bush can see "into his soul". seems like it is not just "the left" that can't wait for Putin to take over. Is your name kent? Did I say anything about you? A little on edge are we? I am referring to a thread I have here. Also if you are interested I have this thread, and a few others that outline what I am talking about.( Míddle East and Africa:Now It's Dependent on China. As I have told you before I have no political affiliation, keep trying though, one of these times you might get it.  |
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Apr 14, 2014 21:17:41 GMT -5
Haven't you heard, kent? It's all the US's fault! The world is filled with rainbows and puppies (and your rubbish) and the big, bad, mean US and the people that run the "shadow government" are the reason for everything that is bad and or wrong in this world.. i never claimed that, Aham. my claim is that the CIA is out of control. don't exaggerate.
the US does plenty of good in the world, and plenty of evil as well. it is not terribly different than many other nations in that respect. i am not willfully ignorant of any of those facts. are you?
Good find kent! Totally missed this one. Putin says Putin is a royal ass. meanwhile, Guiliani praises his "decisiveness", and Bush can see "into his soul". seems like it is not just "the left" that can't wait for Putin to take over. Come to think about it dj, there is also some discussion on one of bimetal's threads, you can read that on here. There is also the most current page of a thread the kman started that you can read here. Make sure to note reply #111, the date especially as some of those calls have already come to pass. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2014 1:20:37 GMT -5
Putin is a royal ass. meanwhile, Guiliani praises his "decisiveness", and Bush can see "into his soul". seems like it is not just "the left" that can't wait for Putin to take over. Is your name kent? Did I say anything about you? i don't remember anyone else mentioning shadow governments, do you? A little on edge are we? not really. i have the same amount of patience with mockery as ever. none. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2014 1:25:29 GMT -5
no mention of "shadow government" on any of those threads. any mention of the CIA? actually, i am puzzled why you would find that remark so troublesome. do you seriously not think that the CIA is acting with an alarming degree of independence, lawlessness, and lack of oversight? are you defending it? what is your issue with that comment? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2014 1:26:42 GMT -5
Come to think about it dj, there is also some discussion on one of bimetal's threads, you can read that on here. There is also the most current page of a thread the kman started that you can read here. Make sure to note reply #111, the date especially as some of those calls have already come to pass. no mention of "shadow governments" there, either. i rest my case. |
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Apr 15, 2014 9:17:19 GMT -5
 Right, sorry I made a mistake I was thinking the "deep state", but since the conspiracy world also refers to the "deep state" as the "shadow govt" I interchanged the two. As usual you have no case, dj and you interjected yourself into a conversation where no one was talking to you. Keep spinning that record, dj. On the topic of this thread... Fragile Europe Weakens U.S. Push for Russia SanctionsPutin says
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2014 10:01:10 GMT -5
Right, sorry I made a mistake I was thinking the "deep state", but since the conspiracy world also refers to the "deep state" as the "shadow govt" I interchanged the two. for the record, i don't know the term "deep state". but i don't believe in conspiracies, either. As usual you have no case, dj and you interjected yourself into a conversation where no one was talking to you. i don't "usually" do that, Aham. you used "shadow government", when i (and nobody else) had used that phrase less than a day before. you disparaged the idea, just as you had done a day before. if you were not referring to me, or worse, those of us who are critical of the CIA, then i apologize- but that is how i saw it.Keep spinning that record, dj. are you a troll? because your repetition of this ad hominem is very troll like.On the topic of this thread... Fragile Europe Weakens U.S. Push for Russia SanctionsPutin says can you see into his soul?  |
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Post by workpublic on Apr 15, 2014 11:34:59 GMT -5
isn't the black sea in the soviet sphere of influence? what are we doing over there? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2014 11:40:26 GMT -5
isn't the black sea in the soviet sphere of influence? what are we doing over there? we never think twice about it, wp. but here is a good analogy: what if Russia sent destroyers to cruise around off Miami Beach? you think maybe one of our fly boys might take issue with that, and do some provocative flyovers? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 12:06:50 GMT -5
Soviet aircraft used to do different types of fly-overs of our carrier groups all the time not worrying to much about "protocols". It was done to show the basics of you can't view over the horizon weakness inherent in a battle groups defense surveillance. The only thing that really defends our blue water navy is the deterrence of our nuclear weapons. Since it has been said that Putin believes the Russian federation is like a little USSR and our current administration seems a little lacking in the foreign affairs experience department, expect more of the same. |
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 15, 2014 12:42:39 GMT -5
... Soviet aircraft used to do different types of fly-overs of our carrier groups all the time not worrying to much about "protocols". ... Under which administration did you experience them doing it in the past? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 12:56:51 GMT -5
... Soviet aircraft used to do different types of fly-overs of our carrier groups all the time not worrying to much about "protocols". ... Under which administration did you experience them doing it in the past? A better, more relevant question would be, why is it restarting now ? |
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Post by kent on Apr 15, 2014 13:02:50 GMT -5
but here is a good analogy: what if Russia sent destroyers to cruise around off Miami Beach? you think maybe one of our fly boys might take issue with that, and do some provocative flyovers? I can't argue with that - even absent "orders" to do so, I'm sure one of our guys would do exactly the same. After the fact, they would probably get criticized in public and praised in private. |
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Post by kent on Apr 15, 2014 13:09:47 GMT -5
Under which administration did you experience them doing it in the past? A better, more relevant question would be, why is it restarting now ? It has nothing to do with the "administration" as such. The military on both sides have been "playing games" with each other for decades. For instance, during the cold war, the US Navy had standing orders that called for maintaining course and speed when on a collision course with a Soviet warship and to take evasive action only at the last minute to "minimize" damage.
This was only applicable when, in accordance with the law of the sea, the US ship had the right of way.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 15, 2014 13:14:11 GMT -5
Under which administration did you experience them doing it in the past? A better, more relevant question would be, why is it restarting now ? Or is it that your question provides a less inconvenient answer? Do you have evidence it ever stopped? |
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Post by Shooby on Apr 15, 2014 13:19:23 GMT -5
He is testing Neville Chamberlins mettle.
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Post by Shooby on Apr 15, 2014 13:20:55 GMT -5
A better, more relevant question would be, why is it restarting now ? Or is it that your question provides a less inconvenient answer? Do you have evidence it ever stopped? Um Obama declared that the cold war was "over". Doh! |
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2014 13:37:55 GMT -5
He is testing Neville Chamberlins mettle. he = who? Ohdumma wasn't even involved with this, Shoob. |
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 15, 2014 13:41:52 GMT -5
Or is it that your question provides a less inconvenient answer? Do you have evidence it ever stopped? Um Obama declared that the cold war was "over". Doh! Doh? What the fuck are you talking about? |
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Post by Shooby on Apr 15, 2014 15:05:05 GMT -5
Wow. Seriously? Obama lectured Romney in the debates that " the cold war has been over for 20 years". Wow. Try to keep up with your lying Potus.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 15, 2014 15:10:53 GMT -5
Wow. Seriously? Obama lectured Romney in the debates that " the cold war has been over for 20 years". Wow. Try to keep up with your lying Potus. Try to keep your eye on the bouncing ball of the conversation. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 15, 2014 15:28:14 GMT -5
Wow. Seriously? Obama lectured Romney in the debates that " the cold war has been over for 20 years". Wow. Try to keep up with your lying Potus.
George H.W. Bush, 22 years ago.
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Post by Shooby on Apr 15, 2014 18:18:16 GMT -5
Oh, and of course Hillary and Obama set the RESET button....er...overcharged or errr whatever that was supposed to be. DOH!!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 15, 2014 18:22:27 GMT -5
Oh, and of course Hillary and Obama set the RESET button....er...overcharged or errr whatever that was supposed to be. DOH!!! ok, my turn: wtf are you talking about? |
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